Trump has officially entered the psychotic emperor phase.

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude he's not allowed to keep it. Get your head around this simple concept. I have no idea what he's going to use it for, I have no idea how long it will take to get ready. I would guess that if he said that's what I want to fly on have it running tomorrow that they would find a way to make it airworthy tomorrow. If they can't it could just sit there until it's ready to go to his museum. But he can't keep it. So let's stop pretending otherwise And start behaving like an adult

If it can fly it can be used as air force one. In fact by definition any plane that the American president is aboard is air force one. And yes of course they're doing it to stroke his ego. That is the purpose of almost every presidential or prime ministerial gift from a foreign nation to a leader that has ever been

 

 

As president he can't use it for anything unless it meets AF1 standards and it never will while he is in office. They will have to let it sit there until it goes into a museum unless they can lease it out in the meantime. Either that or it will have remain in service for years as an AF1 for years or it will just be a giant waste of money. Up to a billion dollars to convert it just so it can go into a museum. Get real, the aircraft is already 13 years old. This is nothing more than manipulation of Trump's giant ego and he doesn't give a crap what it costs the taxpayers.

 

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We've been through this a million times. And again you didn't care then and you expect people to care now and that's just not how it works.

Ya we have and you don't care how much Trump games the system right in front of your nose. 

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[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

As president he can't use it for anything unless it meets AF1 standards and it never will while he is in office.

Sure he can. I have little doubt trump can ignore or change whatever law is necessary to make it happen. In fact the president frequently flies on planes that aren't the official air force one, which is why any plane the president is on is considered air force one. 

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They will have to let it sit there until it goes into a museum unless they can lease it out in the meantime. Either that or it will have remain in service for years as an AF1 for years or it will just be a giant waste of money. Up to a billion dollars to convert it just so it can go into a museum. Get real, the aircraft is already 13 years old. This is nothing more than manipulation of Trump's giant ego and he doesn't give a crap what it costs the taxpayers.

If they can get it running up for a billion dollars it is the cheapest option they have. The current project to replace air force one is already billions of dollars in the whole and still requires billions more. If they replace air force one with this for a lousy billion they have a screaming deal

As to what he does with it or doesn't do with it or if he accepts it or not that's still not him personally benefiting financially from a plane. Which was your original contention and it's full of shit.

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Ya we have and you don't care how much Trump games the system right in front of your nose. 

Why should anybody care about how much trump games the system when nobody cares when the democrats game the system? If you guys are going to cheat 24/7 you can hardly complain when other people get sick of worrying about it. If you care about this kind of crap you should have been all over the bidens. Why is this so hard for democrats to understand, if you commit crimes and condone crimes and excuse crimes, eventually the other people will decide that this is the new bar and they will stop trying to get you to change your ways and will instead just simply cheat themselves

If you want people to care you have to care when it's your side. If you don't people give up worrying about it which is basically what's happened in the united states. It's probably going to come fairly soon in Canada too

[robosmith]

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Seems pretty unbias.... 

[Aristides]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure he can. I have little doubt trump can ignore or change whatever law is necessary to make it happen. In fact the president frequently flies on planes that aren't the official air force one, which is why any plane the president is on is considered air force one. 

If they can get it running up for a billion dollars it is the cheapest option they have. The current project to replace air force one is already billions of dollars in the whole and still requires billions more. If they replace air force one with this for a lousy billion they have a screaming deal

As to what he does with it or doesn't do with it or if he accepts it or not that's still not him personally benefiting financially from a plane. Which was your original contention and it's full of shit.

Why should anybody care about how much trump games the system when nobody cares when the democrats game the system? If you guys are going to cheat 24/7 you can hardly complain when other people get sick of worrying about it. If you care about this kind of crap you should have been all over the bidens. Why is this so hard for democrats to understand, if you commit crimes and condone crimes and excuse crimes, eventually the other people will decide that this is the new bar and they will stop trying to get you to change your ways and will instead just simply cheat themselves

If you want people to care you have to care when it's your side. If you don't people give up worrying about it which is basically what's happened in the united states. It's probably going to come fairly soon in Canada too

No he can't. The only thing an AF1 has in common with a regular 747 is its airframe and engines. You should really do a little  more research into what it takes to turn an aircraft into an AF1. Things like secret security, communications, defensive systems and inflight refuelling capabilities that make it an airborne command centre capable of staying airborne for days are not small or cheap modifications. He isn't even allowed to use his personal 757 as long as he is president.

If you want to talk about wasting money, taking years and hundreds of millions to convert an aircraft just so it can end up in a museum in a couple of years is as wasteful as it gets.

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[CdnFox]

52 minutes ago, Aristides said:

No he can't. The only thing an AF1 has in common with a regular 747 is its airframe and engines.

So? Show me the law that says that's the only plan he can fly in. If he wants to fly in something less sophisticated and call it air force one what's to stop it?

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You should really do a little  more research into what it takes to turn an aircraft into an AF1.

It takes him setting foot on the plane. Literally. Any aircraft the president is on automatically becomes air force one.

"Air Force One, any aircraft of the U.S. Air Force that is carrying the president of the United States."

Air Force One | Plane, History, List of Aircraft, & Facts | Britannica

And no, there is no specification. If trump says this plane will be used as air force one then that's that. There's no legal list they have to follow.

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Things like secret security, communications, defensive systems and inflight refuelling capabilities that make it an airborne command centre capable of staying airborne for days are not small or cheap modifications.

And? Do with out, or get them done quickly. There is no law that says he  has to have them. 

Sweep it for bugs, install a few radios and be done with it.  You can always keep the other ones handy for back up in case you have to bug the president out for a nuclear threat or the like.    (there's 2 you know, you act like there can only be one air force one)

 

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He isn't even allowed to use his personal 757 as long as he is president.

Sure he can if he repaints it.

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If you want to talk about wasting money, taking years and hundreds of millions to convert an aircraft just so it can end up in a museum in a couple of years is as wasteful as it gets.

Bullshit. The current 'air force one' thats under construction will be well into the double digits as far as billions of dollars goes when it's ready and that won't be till after trump is gone. 

Hundreds of millions to get one up and running soon is pocket change. 

[Aristides]

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2025/05/12/experts-qatar-gifted-air-force-one-may-be-security-upgrade-disaster/

This is purely a vanity exercise by Trump at the expense of national security.

The existing B747-200's are still very serviceable and even though old, would be very low time compared to commercially operated 747's.

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[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

No he can't. The only thing an AF1 has in common with a regular 747 is its airframe and engines. You should really do a little  more research into what it takes to turn an aircraft into an AF1. Things like secret security, communications, defensive systems and inflight refuelling capabilities that make it an airborne command centre capable of staying airborne for days are not small or cheap modifications. He isn't even allowed to use his personal 757 as long as he is president.

If you want to talk about wasting money, taking years and hundreds of millions to convert an aircraft just so it can end up in a museum in a couple of years is as wasteful as it gets.

Trump will get to fly in it at least until his library is opened 10+ years after he leaves office.

Probably gonna cost many MORE $MILLIONS to remove all the TS AF1 mods that won't be finished until after he leaves office. Might as well put it in storage and save all the mod bucks. Or get some sense and forget about taking it.

[Legato]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump will get to fly in it at least until his library is opened 10+ years after he leaves office.

Probably gonna cost many MORE $MILLIONS to remove all the TS AF1 mods that won't be finished until after he leaves office. Might as well put it in storage and save all the mod bucks. Or get some sense and forget about taking it.

If the Maginot line offends you, get Trump a Sopwith Camel

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Legato said:

If the Maginot line offends you, get Trump a Sopwith Camel

He already has a 757, TROLL. Duh

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2025/05/12/experts-qatar-gifted-air-force-one-may-be-security-upgrade-disaster/

This is purely a vanity exercise by Trump at the expense of national security.

 

That may be true. Heavens knows it's hardly the first vanity exercise we've seen a president or prime minister do

But he's still not allowed to keep it it's still not personal gain

[Aristides]

In 2017 Trump was blasting Qatar for "funding terrorism at a very high level". Just shows how easily he can be bought with a shiny object. And how quick his faithful are to justify it.

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[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

In 2017 Trump was blasting Qatar for "funding terrorism at a very high level". Just shows how easily he can be bought with a shiny object. And how quick his faithful are to justify it.

Well the problem is is that you don't address the issue you just lie about it and then afterwards when your lies are called out you try and double back.

We are on page 9 of a thread where you spent all of your time and energy along with your cohorts trying to convince everybody that trump gets to keep the plane and this is some sort of personal gain. That is simply false, It's a straight up dishonesty.

Now that that's failed and you come around to something that's an actual valid point worth discussing everybody's sick of it and your credibility on the issue is already gone. 

And both myself and many others have been saying this to the left for two or three years now. It says if you cannot find anything wrong with this transaction and therefore had to make up something fake to complain about, and now that that's no good you're digging around trying to find something real. Spouting fake nonsense and making blatantly false accusations completely destroys the conversation.