Trump has officially entered the psychotic emperor phase.

CdnFox · Thursday at 01:14 AM

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It will take years and close to a billion dollars to get that aircraft up to AF1 standards.

There is no such thing as AF1 standards.

Here, lets just take a minute to show what a dishonest person you are. Show me the official specifications for air force one. Show me the list of specifications it must adhere to in order to be "allowed" to be air force one.

There isn't any. You're just blowing smoke out your ass.

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Then you think it is fine to just stick it Orange Man's museum. You are a pathetic joke.

Yawn. Come back when you can be honest and make better arguments than a toddler.

Edited Thursday at 01:15 AM by CdnFox

Aristides · Thursday at 01:32 AM

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

There is no such thing as AF1 standards.

Here, lets just take a minute to show what a dishonest person you are. Show me the official specifications for air force one. Show me the list of specifications it must adhere to in order to be "allowed" to be air force one.

There isn't any. You're just blowing smoke out your ass.

Yawn. Come back when you can be honest and make better arguments than a toddler.

The equipment required to be AF1 is either documented or secret. The reason Boeing is having so much trouble completing the two new ones is because of that. These are not normal B747-8's anymore than the existing aircraft are normal B747-200's. But hey, you believe Trump must have his golden palace to ride around in whether it meets the specification required or not and then stuck in his museum. Try a little honesty yourself for a change.

Edited Thursday at 02:24 AM by Aristides

CdnFox · Thursday at 02:43 AM

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

The equipment required to be AF1 is either documented or secret. hange.

Nope. There is no 'requirement'. They make it up as they go. Sorry.

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The reason Boeing is having so much trouble completing the two new ones is because of that.

Nope. The opposite is true. There's no over all specification so the plane keeps changing as people come up with ideas and it leads to feature creep and delays.

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These are not normal B747-8's anymore

Nope, they just make it up as they go as to what they think would be good ideas. Of course, it's also true that the plane they're offering trump isn't a normal b747 anymore either.

Well thanks for admitting you were full of shit and there's no actual requirement, they just make it up as they go and add what they think is cool or a good idea.

Ya done looking stupid yet? Want to go a little more? WE can do a little more if you want.

Aristides · Thursday at 03:04 AM

Bullshit, I gave you a link. When I was flying contract in Alaska in the mid nineties one of the other guys was an ex AF1 pilot. The only thing we ever got out of him was how hard it was to do inflight refuelling in an aircraft weighing over 300 tons. Anything else was, "I can't tell you".

CdnFox · Thursday at 03:27 AM

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Bullshit, I gave you a link.

there is no link in the post i quoted. Sorry.

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When I was flying contract in Alaska in the mid nineties one of the other guys was an ex AF1 pilot. The only thing we ever got out of him was how hard it was to do inflight refuelling in an aircraft weighing over 300 tons. Anything else was, "I can't tell you".

That's nice. That just means whatever they decided to do was secret. It doesn't mean there was a 'requirement' or 'general required minimum specification'.

If there was there would still be a law or reference to the requirements if they existed. I can read the specifications for an M1 Abrams tank, even tho most of the details are classified.

THere is no mention anywhere of a specific series of 'must haves' for air force 1. There's no law, there's no requirement, there's no anything. When they order new planes they say "this is what we want on them", there's nothing that HAS to be on them.

ANd they don't just order one, you act like there's only "one" air force one. There is not. Which means even when the first of the new planes are delivered (there's 2) they may fly the old one AND the new one at the same time even tho they have COMPLETELY different gear and builds.

But i do appreciate your willingness to look completely uneducated for the amusement of the rest of us

SO to recap, if trump does take the plane he can choose to fly it as is if he feels like. He can fly it some of the time, all of the time or none of the time along with the existing planes as he sees fit.

If boeing ever gets its act together and finishes the project then there MAY be one in service before trump leaves office and if so he can use both.

Now stop being a child. You don't like orange man getting the plane, we get it . As i've said you don't need to. bu t don't pretend that it's any different than any other presidential gift OR that he cant' use it and use it as is if he wishes.

Aristides · Thursday at 04:08 AM

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

there is no link in the post i quoted. Sorry.

That's nice. That just means whatever they decided to do was secret. It doesn't mean there was a 'requirement' or 'general required minimum specification'.

If there was there would still be a law or reference to the requirements if they existed. I can read the specifications for an M1 Abrams tank, even tho most of the details are classified.

THere is no mention anywhere of a specific series of 'must haves' for air force 1. There's no law, there's no requirement, there's no anything. When they order new planes they say "this is what we want on them", there's nothing that HAS to be on them.

ANd they don't just order one, you act like there's only "one" air force one. There is not. Which means even when the first of the new planes are delivered (there's 2) they may fly the old one AND the new one at the same time even tho they have COMPLETELY different gear and builds.

But i do appreciate your willingness to look completely uneducated for the amusement of the rest of us

SO to recap, if trump does take the plane he can choose to fly it as is if he feels like. He can fly it some of the time, all of the time or none of the time along with the existing planes as he sees fit.

If boeing ever gets its act together and finishes the project then there MAY be one in service before trump leaves office and if so he can use both.

Now stop being a child. You don't like orange man getting the plane, we get it . As i've said you don't need to. bu t don't pretend that it's any different than any other presidential gift OR that he cant' use it and use it as is if he wishes.

I don't give a fat f*ck what Trump does with the airplane, I just know it is an ego exercise that is going to cost tax payers a shit load of money. If you are fine with that, it's on you.

CdnFox · Thursday at 04:16 AM

Just now, Aristides said:

I don't give a fat f*ck what Trump does with the airplane,

You just spent like 14 pages giving a fat F^ck about what trump does with the airplane. Its' literally what you've been going on about

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

I just know it is an ego exercise that is going to cost tax payers a shit load of money. If you are fine with that, it's on you.

Are you sure? Because you claimed you KNEW it was for his personal posession initialy, then you claimed it was a personal gift, then you claimed he wanted it so he could have something really nice to fly in for his own benefit, now you seem to be changing your tune yet again

Is this your final answer? Did you want to call a friend?

It really doesn't seem like you 'know' anything. Seems more like you think your feelings are fact.

Seems to me more like trump just doesn't like the current planes they're using and would consider an upgrade. The current planes are over 30 years old.

Trump tried to push boeing to get the new planes done by 2021 during his first term and has several times expressed his frustration that they have not been able to keep to schedule and are looking at 2030. You might think of it as vanity, but it's not like he hasn't been demanding a replacement for the last 10 years now.

So, you're entitled to your opinion. You're not entitled to claim it's fact, that just makes you seem slow. But you're welcome to say you don't agree with it and think it's a waste as i've said many times, you just don't get to claim virtually all the other things you've attempted to claim which turned out to be false.

robosmith · Thursday at 04:56 AM

On 5/27/2025 at 1:19 PM, Aristides said:

Well if this thing is going to his library, it's just a vanity exercise at the expense of the taxpayer. If it is to serve as AF1 for the next 15 to 20 years, it might be worth the investment. Even if it is completed in two years, it will still be a 15 year old airframe when it does go into service.

That's reality. The Trump Cult doesn't care about reality.

You aren't one to be preaching honesty.

Just call him CdnLIAR.

robosmith · Thursday at 05:01 AM

On 5/27/2025 at 4:38 PM, Nationalist said:

In terms you can wrap you head around @herbie, is ya gits wut ya pays fer.

You fckers begged for this. Dared us to fight back.

Now sit down, shut up, and deal with your own sh1t.

US? LMAO.

You are a foreigner and have NO PART in this PLAY.

robosmith · Thursday at 05:06 AM

6 hours ago, Aristides said:

Yes, it is an airforce aircraft for use by a sitting president, he doesn't get to decide its future.

Theoretically he could order the AF to donate it to his museum and it is unlikely that Congress would not approve as long as RepubliCONS remain in control.

However, if the Democrats take control of the House, they are likely to impeach Trump AGAIN, esp for violation of the emoluments clause of the Constitution..

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Finally glad you are admitting that you just want Trump as a dictator. The difference is the people didn't spend 100's of millions just to convert an aircraft to become a museum piece to glorify one man. The difference between you and I is that I know the difference between public and private property while when it comes to Trump there is no difference in your mind. Ethical behaviour is just woke to the Trump Cult.

When it comes to Trump, there is no difference in his mind.

Not surprising the MAGA CULT has accepted that schtick.

robosmith · Thursday at 05:10 AM

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

It will take years and close to a billion dollars to get that aircraft up to AF1 standards. Then you think it is fine to just stick it Orange Man's museum. Then it will take millions more to get it to Orange Man's museum, unless they build it at an airport .You are a pathetic joke.

Do you really think this makes Trump look good to anyone but his cult?

They will likely have to spend $Ms to strip out all the classified equipment AF1 has.

CdnFox · Thursday at 05:44 AM

46 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Just call him CdnLIAR.

Awww little robo - still hiding from me and crying from the shadows

34 minutes ago, robosmith said:

They will likely have to spend $Ms to strip out all the classified equipment AF1 has.

That's still a tiny drop in the bucket compared to what they're spending on the new air force one. So if you're correct this would be an absolute bargain

Nationalist · Thursday at 11:25 AM

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

US? LMAO.

You are a foreigner and have NO PART in this PLAY.

Lol.

Aristides · Thursday at 11:51 AM

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Awww little robo - still hiding from me and crying from the shadows

That's still a tiny drop in the bucket compared to what they're spending on the new air force one. So if you're correct this would be an absolute bargain

The Boeing ones are being built anyway because they need two. This will be a very expensive unnecessary third.

Aristides · Thursday at 11:57 AM

Boeing now says the new aircraft will be delivered in 2027. The terms of the contract requires Boeing to absorb all cost overruns in excess of the original contracted price of 3.6 billion for both aircraft. Trumps ego trip will add another billion or so to the replacement cost.

User · Thursday at 01:09 PM

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Boeing now says the new aircraft will be delivered in 2027. The terms of the contract requires Boeing to absorb all cost overruns in excess of the original contracted price of 3.6 billion for both aircraft. Trumps ego trip will add another billion or so to the replacement cost.

Imagine that. Trump is the one who pushed them the first time and he is the one pushing them this time.

You sit here touting Boeing saying they will delver in 2027 when they were pushed to do so by Trump in the first place.

Trump was the one to negotiate a better deal in the first place saving something like 1-2 billion dollars on the contract, hell, maybe even more since it was a fixed price contract.

Aristides · Thursday at 01:14 PM

20 minutes ago, User said:

Imagine that. Trump is the one who pushed them the first time and he is the one pushing them this time.

You sit here touting Boeing saying they will delver in 2027 when they were pushed to do so by Trump in the first place.

Trump was the one to negotiate a better deal in the first place saving something like 1-2 billion dollars on the contract, hell, maybe even more since it was a fixed price contract.

That’s still no reason to spend 100’s of millions on an ego trip because the aircraft that were good enough for every president since Bush senior aren’t good enough for president Bone Spurs. BTW, the existing aircraft are the same age as his personal B757, that he rides around in when he isn’t prez.

Edited Thursday at 01:30 PM by Aristides

Aristides · Thursday at 01:18 PM

If Boeing is having to eat 2.5 billion to build the new aircraft, how much are they going to charge to convert this flying palace.

User · Thursday at 01:31 PM

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

That’s still no reason to spend 100’s of millions on an ego trip because the aircraft that were good enough for every president since GW Bush aren’t good enough for president Bone Spurs. BTW, the existing aircraft are the same age as his personal B757, that he rides around in when he isn’t prez.

Well, it appears Trumps insistence to find an alternative has pushed Boeing to deliver AF1 more quickly.

That is a good thing.

Folks like you would have us endlessly pouring billions into the new AF1 program with delays and cost overruns and just shrugging your shoulders and saying oh well.

Trump doesn't put up with that crap. He negotiated a better deal. He has saved us over a billion dollars directly and even more indirectly because if it was not a fixed cost negotiation, we would have paid even more.

Then you sit here complaining because Trump pushed for an alternative because Boeing was still dragging their feet and saying there would be more delays.

Aristides · Thursday at 02:48 PM

1 hour ago, User said:

Well, it appears Trumps insistence to find an alternative has pushed Boeing to deliver AF1 more quickly.

That is a good thing.

Folks like you would have us endlessly pouring billions into the new AF1 program with delays and cost overruns and just shrugging your shoulders and saying oh well.

Trump doesn't put up with that crap. He negotiated a better deal. He has saved us over a billion dollars directly and even more indirectly because if it was not a fixed cost negotiation, we would have paid even more.

Then you sit here complaining because Trump pushed for an alternative because Boeing was still dragging their feet and saying there would be more delays.

You missed the part about Boeing being responsible for cost overruns.

https://repolitics.com/forums/topic/57237-trump-has-officially-entered-the-psychotic-emperor-phase/page/14/#comment-1824602

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/08/business/boeing-trump-air-force-one

User · Thursday at 03:02 PM

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You missed the part about Boeing being responsible for cost overruns.

https://repolitics.com/forums/topic/57237-trump-has-officially-entered-the-psychotic-emperor-phase/page/14/#comment-1824602

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/08/business/boeing-trump-air-force-one

No, I didn't.

"He has saved us over a billion dollars directly and even more indirectly because if it was not a fixed cost negotiation, we would have paid even more. "

Aristides · Thursday at 03:06 PM

Just now, User said:

No, I didn't.

"He has saved us over a billion dollars directly and even more indirectly because if it was not a fixed cost negotiation, we would have paid even more. "

So what's the problem? Why do you want him to blow a ton more money on an aircraft they won't need? Considering what has happened to Boeing with the two replacements, no one is going to touch that Qatari machine without knowing they can at least break even.

User · Thursday at 03:13 PM

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So what's the problem? Why do you want him to blow a ton more money on an aircraft they won't need? Considering what has happened to Boeing with the two replacements, no one is going to touch that Qatari machine without knowing they can at least break even.

You are the one going on and on and on here about how awful Trump is, and then you specifically brought up that Boeing was moving faster.

They are moving faster because of Trump.

They are eating those cost overruns because of Trump.

Trump is the one who has saved us billions on this deal to begin with. Trump is the reason Boeing is moving faster.

So, in the grand scheme of things, his efforts here are not costing us, they have still saved us money and are getting us faster results.

Aristides · Thursday at 03:20 PM

3 minutes ago, User said:

You are the one going on and on and on here about how awful Trump is, and then you specifically brought up that Boeing was moving faster.

They are moving faster because of Trump.

They are eating those cost overruns because of Trump.

Trump is the one who has saved us billions on this deal to begin with. Trump is the reason Boeing is moving faster.

So, in the grand scheme of things, his efforts here are not costing us, they have still saved us money and are getting us faster results.

So why do you want Trump to blow a ton more money on an aircraft they won't need? Boeing is working with two new aircraft that were never delivered, why do you think it would be any cheaper to try and convert a 13 year old aircraft that has been flying around the Qatari royal family?

He may have saved money on the Boeing machines but he is going to p*ss it away on this Qatari machine then park it when he leaves office. He won't end up saving you FA.

User · Thursday at 03:22 PM

Just now, Aristides said:

So why do you want Trump to blow a ton more money on an aircraft they won't need? Boeing is working with two new aircraft that were never delivered, why do you think it would be any cheaper to try and convert a 13 year old aircraft that has been flying around the Qatari royal family?

He may have saved money on the Boeing machines but he is going to p*ss it away on this Qatari machine then park it when he leaves office. He won't end up saving you FA.

Maybe... maybe not. Boeing said maybe by 2027. This keeps the pressure on them.

I never said it would be cheaper to convert this new aircraft, I made no comment on that at all.

You were here bragging about Boeing delivering these faster... when that is because of the pressure Trump put on them, and now you want Trump to not put that pressure on them... make up your mind.