betsy Posted May 1 Report Posted May 1 (edited) The silence of the Bible on America is deafening. This would also include Canada. A great explanation as to why that is. America has to be diminished, or become so insignificant........because it isn't mentioned in the Bible. Who knows, American might've been swallowed up by China or Russia by the time END TIMES come. Whatever happens, Christians shouldn't be troubled by this. KEEP YOUR EYES AND FAITH ON JESUS. Edited May 2 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted May 1 Author Report Posted May 1 (edited) If we're talking biblical prophecies (divine revelation) - it wouldn't have mattered whether America has been discovered or not. If America is prominent in the end times, there would be a mention, or something that would allude to America. Who are Meshech and Tubal in the Bible? The land of Meshech is used in Psalm 120:5 as a generic reference to barbarous regions where “those who hate peace” live (verse 6). The lands where Meshech’s and Tubal’s descendants settled figure significantly in some prophecies of Ezekiel, and it is in that book where they are mentioned most. In the prophecy of Ezekiel 38, Meshech and Tubal are ruled by Gog, a prince over those territories: “The word of the LORD came to me: ‘Son of man, set your face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him and say, “Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal”’” (Ezekiel 38:1–3). Ezekiel repeats God’s words of judgment against the descendants of the two sons of Japheth when he prophesies that God will defeat them in a war against Israel (Ezekiel 39:1–5). Many biblical scholars equate the land of Gog in Ezekiel’s prophecies with Russia, who will attack Israel “from the far north” (Ezekiel 38:15). Meshech and Tubal could be two of the “many nations” joining Russia in their invasion of Israel (verse 6). The advance of the alliance involving Meshech and Tubal will be like “a cloud covering the land” (Ezekiel 38:9). Some commentators believe this war, often called the Battle of Gog and Magog, will be one of the events leading up to the end-times’ tribulation. Others believe it will occur close to the midpoint of the tribulation, since Israel will feel secure at the time, “dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates” (verse 11). https://preachitteachit.org/ask_roger/which-nations-are-involved-in-end-time-events/ Edited May 1 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted May 1 Author Report Posted May 1 (edited) I would just want to be clear that these are speculations at this time. This metamorphosis of Israel from an energy poor country, to being a major player as an oil and gas export country, is a game changer. It sets the stage for the prophesied attack upon Israel in order to plunder her energy reserves. Muslim nations are already chomping at the bit to destroy Israel. Russia has cozied up to Iran and now Israel has what everyone wants. All the players are in position, exactly as God’s Word predicted. The time for the fulfillment of the Ezekiel prophecy may be imminent. This future attack upon Israel is exactly where we would expect to see America coming to Israel’s defense. Yet strange as it is, scripture records that no one comes to Israel’s aid. Instead, God himself stops the attack by miraculously raining hailstones, fire and brimstone out of heaven onto the attacking hordes. Why is America not coming to Israel’s defense in that scenario? There are some interesting passages that give us a clue. Here they are: “And I will turn you about, and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords… And you will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army…” (Ezekiel 38:4,15) Where is America? Now for our initial question – where is America in all this? Does the Bible mention America? Yes and no – America is not mentioned directly, but the fact that America is not mentioned tells us something significant. It tells us this: America is not a functioning super-power at the time of this attack. If we were, we would be mentioned as defending Israel. https://christiananswerman.com/american-in-the-bible/ Edited May 1 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted May 1 Author Report Posted May 1 Why is America not mentioned in Bible prophecy? Pastor Greg Laurie and Pastor Don Stewart discuss why America is not mentioned in the Bible as a part of the last days. Are we no longer a Superpower? Are we no longer a nation? Quote
betsy Posted May 1 Author Report Posted May 1 It could be too, America isn't mentioned because it's become among the many enemies of Israel. Quote
August1991 Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 Betsy, Where in the Phillipines are you from? Visayas? Quote
betsy Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 11 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Is China mentioned in the bible? Japan? India? I think you're missing the point.....again. If they're not mentioned in the END TIMES, it coulf very well mean the same thing why America is not mentioned in the End Times! Many students of Bible prophecy consider Revelation 16:12–16 to possibly refer to China in the end times: “The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. Then . . . demonic spirits that perform signs . . . go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. . . . Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon” (Revelation 16:12–16). It is impossible to know for sure if the Eastern confederacy of the end times will include China; however, it seems likely that China will be involved. Recent years have seen a dramatic rise in China’s power and influence. The development of enormous military strength; intimidation of Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan, and other regions; pursuit of global economic dominance; aggressive rhetoric on the world stage; and, of course, the persecution of Chinese Christians—all this has been characteristic of China. It is not hard to imagine that the “kings from the East” who one day march into Israel will include China. https://www.gotquestions.org/China-end-times.html Quote
betsy Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 11 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Is China mentioned in the bible? Japan? India? No one knows for sure whether modern-day China will play a role in the end times because modern-day China is not mentioned by name in the Bible. However, some believe the "kings from the east" in Revelation 16:12–16 to be a reference to China. The gathering of armies is in preparation for the battle of Armageddon, which takes place at the end of the tribulation. Some interpret "the kings from the east" marching toward the Middle East as the armies of China being able to cross the dried-up Euphrates. Whether or not the coalition of eastern kings includes what we know today as China we cannot say for certain. However, China has one of the most powerful and numerous armies in history, and its military and economic power and influence are growing. Add to that its persecution of Christians, and other religions, and it seems possible China will be involved in end-times activities. https://www.compellingtruth.org/China-end-times.html Quote
betsy Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 11 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Is China mentioned in the bible? Japan? India? India is mentioned in the Bible. Esther 1:1 Now in the days of Ahasuerus, the Ahasuerus who reigned from India to Ethiopia over 127 provinces, Esther 8:9 The king's scribes were summoned at that time, in the third month, which is the month of Sivan, on the twenty-third day. And an edict was written, according to all that Mordecai commanded concerning the Jews, to the satraps and the governors and the officials of the provinces from India to Ethiopia, 127 provinces, to each province in its own script and to each people in its own language, and also to the Jews in their script and their language. In biblical geography, India is described as bordering the Achaemenid Persian Empire under Ahasuerus (Xerxes I), as referenced in the Book of Esther (Esther 1:1 and Esther 8:9).[1] 1 Maccabees, which is located in the Deuterocanonon/Aprocrypha, references "the Indian mahouts of Antichus's war elephants [second century B.C.]" (1 Maccabees 6:37).[1] Archaeological findings in the cities of Sumer, including Kish, Lagash, and Ur, confirm trade between India and Mesopatamia.[1] For example, ivory objects crafted in India have been found in Mesopotamia.[1] 1 Kings 9:26–27 discusses the navy of King Solomon sailing to Ophir ("Sopheir" and "Sophara" in the LXX), with the word Sophir meaning India in Coptic; as gold was plentiful in India, "it is generally accepted that Ophir was a port in India".[1] 1 Kings 10:22 mentions "gold, silver, ivory, apes, and peacocks" brought by the navy of King Solomon and King Hiram to Israel.[1] In the Old Testament, the word for peacock tuki, the word for ivory shen habbim, and the word for ape kof are likely "derived from their Indian counterparts tokei, ab, and kapi, respectively."[1] Proverbs 7:17, Psalms 45:8, and Song of Solomon 4:14 reference the Indian fragrant wood aloes, which in the Hebrew is ahalim, being derived from the Sanskrit agaru.[1] Contemporary Babylonian texts use the word sindhu (meaning "Indian") for linen, as with Greek texts that use the word sindon for the same.[1] The term Hodu in Esther 1:1 is a biblical name of India, which is derived from the word Hindu, referring to the inhabitants of the Sindhu River of the Indo-Gangetic Plain.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_(Bible) Quote
betsy Posted May 2 Author Report Posted May 2 One thing sure - things are happening for a reason. Marching towards the fulfillment of the end times prophecies. Quote
TreeBeard Posted May 2 Report Posted May 2 11 hours ago, betsy said: India is mentioned in the Bible. You’re right. That was a bad example. There was trade reaching to India at the time. On 5/1/2025 at 12:17 PM, betsy said: The silence of the Bible on America is deafening. This would also include Canada Why would the bible include names of countries that didn’t exist yet? Quote
betsy Posted May 3 Author Report Posted May 3 (edited) 11 hours ago, TreeBeard said: You’re right. That was a bad example. There was trade reaching to India at the time. Why would the bible include names of countries that didn’t exist yet? Read the title of this thread! This is about...........biblical PROPHECIES! THE END TIMES! By that time, nations that didn't exist during the OLD and the NEW Testament, would have existed. Edited May 3 by betsy Quote
TreeBeard Posted May 3 Report Posted May 3 8 hours ago, betsy said: Read the title of this thread! Wouldn’t it make more sense that they aren’t mentioned because they didn’t exist? Quote
betsy Posted May 4 Author Report Posted May 4 (edited) 16 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Wouldn’t it make more sense that they aren’t mentioned because they didn’t exist? Nothing in the Bible alludes to the USA. Russia didn't exist at the time of the New Testament, and it's name isn't mentioned either. But. it has been identified by scholars. Russian Ancestry in the Bible Russia is mentioned only a few times in the Bible. Yet, what is revealed is very important. For example, Genesis 10:2 and 1 Chronicles 1:5 refers to Magog, who is the ancestral father of the people who moved into the vast territory we know as Russia. Genesis 10:2 states, Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian, wrote that the land of Magog was also known as the land of the Scythians.1 It is well-known that the Scythians occupied the territory north of the Black Sea.2 Today, the Scythians occupy the territory known as the Eurasian Steppes.3 It is occupied by Russia. The church father Jerome stated that many Scythians had a reputation for being anti-religion.4 That agrees with our experience in modern times. Thus, the prophecies about Russia in the battle of Armageddon tell us that God will defeat this people who have historically hated Him. Even more impressive is that Revelation 19:7-21 gives another prophecy about the battle of Armageddon. In verse 19, we are told that all of the nations at the battle of Armageddon will attempt to defeat God. The passage says, And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Revelation 19:19 (NASB) Thus the prophecies about Russia reveal that this nation will be a major player at the battle of Armageddon. Russia and Ukraine in the End Times So, how does Ukraine fit into biblical prophecy? The historical records indicate they are the descendants of Magog. Therefore, the people of Ukraine are Scythians too! It is very important to realize that the Russian president, Validmir Putin, stated that the Russians are descendants of Rus in his August 15, 2021 essay titled, “The Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians,” he said, “Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians are all descendants of Ancient Rus, which was the largest state in Europe.”5 That was a significant statement since the Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon connects the Hebrew name of Rosh or Ros to the ancient name “Rus.”6 Other Hebrew lexicons demonstrate that the vowel in “Ros” may not exist or could be “a” or “i.”7 It is not clear if the Russian president’s reference to “Rus” refers to the Russian saint or to the Prince of Rosh in Ezekiel 38-39 (Ezekiel 38:2, 3; 39:1). However, the Russian saint may have been named after Rosh or Ros. Yet, in his essay he argues that because Ukraine was historically part of Russia, they should be reunited with Russia. They are descendants of Ancient Rus. Whether, his genealogy is correct or not, his drive to reunite Ukraine with Russia would fulfill biblical prophecy. This raises the possibility that God may be allowing the demonic forces, who greatly influence nations (Daniel 10:10-21), to unite the descendants of Magog into one nation. God’s purpose could be to prepare Russia for the end times events. Historical records suggest that the peoples of China may also be descendants of Magog too! If so, this may explain the support these two great nations are currently providing each other. https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-prophecy-about-russia-and-ukraine-in-the-end-times/ Edited May 4 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted May 4 Author Report Posted May 4 On 5/1/2025 at 6:13 PM, TreeBeard said: Is China mentioned in the bible? Continuation: Magog Includes Russia and Other Nations So, which nation or nations today occupy the ancient lands of Magog? Genesis 10:2 tells us that Magog was a son of Japheth. The sons of Japheth were Gomer and Magog and Madai and Javan and Tubal and Meshech and Tiras. Genesis 10:2 (NASB) The descendants of Magog were scattered away from the Tower of Babel in Genesis 11. So, where did they go? Ancient historical records reveal the descendants of Magog scattered into various regions of the world. Flavius Josephus reports the Scythians were descendants of Magog.1 The Scythians had a reputation for being anti-religion.2 That agrees with Russia’s reputation today. In addition, the church father Jerome writes, “Scythian nations, fierce and innumerable, who live beyond the Caucasus and the lake Maeotis, and near the Caspian Sea, and spread out even onward to India.”3 Some historians indicate the descendants of Magog include the Goths. 4 Bill Copper provides evidence that the descendants of Magog also include the Russians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Finns, Siberians, Yugoslavians, Croatians, Bosnians, Serbians, Slovenians, Slovakians, Bulgarians, Poles, Czechs.5 Bodie Hodge reports that the descendants of Magog also arrived in Sweden, Finland, Germany, Ireland and Scotland.6 Additionally, the descendants of Magog intermarried with the people in Turkey.7 After intermarrying with people in Russia, they may have moved into Siberia and then North America. 8 Some conjecture the Magogites intermingled with people in China. 9 The picture is that the descendants of Magog spread to modern day Turkey, and ancient Scythia. They also migrated northwest into Europe, north into Russia, and eastward across Asia. https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/gog-and-magog/ Quote
betsy Posted May 4 Author Report Posted May 4 continuation: The Mongols are related to various groups, including the Scythians, Magog, and Tungusic peoples. Their ancestry can be traced back to the Donghu, a nomadic confederation occupying eastern Mongolia and Manchuria. Where are Chinese people originally from? It is hypothesized that populations of early modern Homo sapiens migrated from Africa and entered the southern part of China around 60,000 years ago. These populations then dispersed northward, replacing the indigenous human beings and becoming the ancestors of the modern Chinese. Are Chinese people descendants of Mongolians? While there may be overlaps and genetic contributions from Mongolians to the Chinese population, China’s population is highly diverse and consists of various ethnic groups. Many people in China may have Mongolian ancestry, but it cannot be generalized as the sole genetic origin of the entire Chinese population. https://www.ncesc.com/geographic-faq/who-are-mongolians-genetically-closest-to/ Quote
betsy Posted May 4 Author Report Posted May 4 MAGOG Magog (/ˈmeɪɡɒɡ/; Hebrew: מָגוֹג, romanized: Māgōg, Tiberian: [mɔˈɣoɣ]; Ancient Greek: Μαγώγ, romanized: Magṓg) is the second of the seven sons of Japheth mentioned in the Table of Nations in Genesis 10. The origin of the term is not clear, this name indicates either a person, or a tribe, or a geographical reality (country or city). In the book of Ezekiel, the pagan Magog people live "north of the World", and metaphorically represent the forces of Evil, which associates it with Apocalyptic traditions. The origin of the name Magog is unclear. It has been conjectured to come from the Akkadian mat Gugi, "land of Gog", that is, the land of Gyges: Lydia.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magog_(Bible) Quote
betsy Posted May 5 Author Report Posted May 5 The news streaming today says: Iran will strike back if US or Israel strikes. We were just watching a movie yesterday. THREADS. It's an apocalyptic British movie done in the '80s. I can't help but be reminded of that movie. I can't help but be reminded of America in the End Times. https://archive.org/details/threads_202007 Quote
Nationalist Posted Thursday at 09:03 PM Report Posted Thursday at 09:03 PM Time does not end. The Bible...is a book written by men...who are hardly qualified to pontificate about the ways and means of the Gawd of creation. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Barquentine Posted Friday at 01:02 PM Report Posted Friday at 01:02 PM On 5/2/2025 at 7:50 AM, betsy said: One thing sure - things are happening for a reason. Marching towards the fulfillment of the end times prophecies. Quote
betsy Posted Friday at 01:37 PM Author Report Posted Friday at 01:37 PM (edited) 36 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Since I nowhere sound like I'm afraid .....................is that you? If you're a Christian, you got nothing to be afraid of. Edited Friday at 01:38 PM by betsy Quote
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