Trump wants to bypass immigration courts. Experts warn it's a 'slippery slope.'

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, Hodad said:

As articulate as ever. I don't recall you citing anything. Not that you'd understand it in any case.

1. Ya gits wut ya pays fer. 

2. Why not? I understand you...

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Due process is not afforded those being deported.!

If ya don't like the law...tough.

Well it's not denied either.

And there's the thing, nobody is suggesting that the people deported cannot exercise their legal rights from another country and file some species of appeal or court action that they feel is appropriate. But they have to do it from outside of the country because they cannot demonstrate a legal right to be in the country 

 

Lets make it simple. 

You come home, and you discover an intruder in your house. You are not sure what they are there for and they have clearly broken in. 

So you demand that they leave immediately! And they turn around and say that you're not allowed to ask them to leave until a court rules on it in two or three months, meanwhile they're going to be hanging out your living room.

That is NOT ok. Nobody sane would think that was the way things should be.  And lefties ... this is how YOU are suggesting people should do things. 

You would throw them out on their ass, and if they wanted to file some sort of court action they could do it from the curb.  You're not going to let them sleep in the house with your family until this gets worked out. 

 

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well it's not denied either.

And there's the thing, nobody is suggesting that the people deported cannot exercise their legal rights from another country and file some species of appeal or court action that they feel is appropriate. But they have to do it from outside of the country because they cannot demonstrate a legal right to be in the country 

 

Lets make it simple. 

You come home, and you discover an intruder in your house. You are not sure what they are there for and they have clearly broken in. 

So you demand that they leave immediately! And they turn around and say that you're not allowed to ask them to leave until a court rules on it in two or three months, meanwhile they're going to be hanging out your living room.

That is NOT ok. Nobody sane would think that was the way things should be.  And lefties ... this is how YOU are suggesting people should do things. 

You would throw them out on their ass, and if they wanted to file some sort of court action they could do it from the curb.  You're not going to let them sleep in the house with your family until this gets worked out. 

 

Yes it does. Due process is not afforded those being deported. CRIMINALS...those charged with criminal offences...are.

The solution. Deport them all as Illegals and let their own nations deal with the charges. If they won't fine. Problem solved.

If they want to challenge the deportation from their homeland...let 'em.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

ROFLMAO!!!

Ohhhh...poor babyyy... Here...

I quoted you the law. You don't like it. Cry me a river...Loser.

You "quoted" Stephen Miller's BULLSHIT: LMAO

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"Due process guarantees the rights of a criminal defendant facing prosecution, not an illegal alien facing deportation"

Stephen Miller Unveils Totally Made-Up Definition of “Due ...

Yahoo

https://www.yahoo.com › news › stephen-miller-unveils...

 

 

4 days ago — “Due process guarantees the rights of a criminal defendant facing prosecution, not an illegal alien facing deportation.” This is not how the ...

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

As articulate as ever. I don't recall you citing anything. Not that you'd understand it in any case.

He's quoting Stephen Miller and pretending he's citing the law. LMAO

[CdnFox]

46 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yes it does. Due process is not afforded those being deported. CRIMINALS...those charged with criminal offences...are.

There is civil due process though.  But the implications are different than criminal due process. 

Procedural Due Process Civil :: Fourteenth Amendment -- Rights Guaranteed: Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process, and Equal Protection :: U.S. Constitution Annotated :: Justia

Civil due process does NOT mean that actions aren't taken before you go to court. And that's what's baffling these guys.  Civil due process means you have access to a court to challenge things.   When  a cop gives you a speeding ticket, he does so without consulting a court. You have the right to CHALLENGE it in court but if you don't then the ticket must be paid and is legally binding. This is different than a criminal case. 

If a person was deported without any ability to challenge that in the courts later, that might be unfair.  For example a cop could decide YOU look "Mexican enough" and deport you before you get any chance to provide any citizenship papers.  You need to have the ability to challenge that. 

But the fact is you still would outside of the country. You would be able to access the legal system and all the things necessary to address the fact you felt  you were legal. 

Deportation is not in and of itself intended to be a punishment. So it does not need a court to ok it before hand. And you still have access to the courts even after deported if you wish to challenge it.  Nobody has lost their due process. 

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

You "quoted" Stephen Miller's BULLSHIT: LMAO

Stephen Miller Unveils Totally Made-Up Definition of “Due ...

Yahoo

https://www.yahoo.com › news › stephen-miller-unveils...

 

 

4 days ago — “Due process guarantees the rights of a criminal defendant facing prosecution, not an illegal alien facing deportation.” This is not how the ...

 

 

 

He's quoting Stephen Miller and pretending he's citing the law. LMAO

Stephen Miller is right. 

Think about it, jackass. What exactly do you think the courts are looking for that ICE can't find themselves? 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You "quoted" Stephen Miller's BULLSHIT: LMAO

Stephen Miller Unveils Totally Made-Up Definition of “Due ...

Yahoo

https://www.yahoo.com › news › stephen-miller-unveils...

 

 

4 days ago — “Due process guarantees the rights of a criminal defendant facing prosecution, not an illegal alien facing deportation.” This is not how the ...

 

 

 

He's quoting Stephen Miller and pretending he's citing the law. LMAO

You have no idea how any of this works do you

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well it's not denied either.

And there's the thing, nobody is suggesting that the people deported cannot exercise their legal rights from another country and file some species of appeal or court action that they feel is appropriate. But they have to do it from outside of the country because they cannot demonstrate a legal right to be in the country 

 

Lets make it simple. 

You come home, and you discover an intruder in your house. You are not sure what they are there for and they have clearly broken in. 

So you demand that they leave immediately! And they turn around and say that you're not allowed to ask them to leave until a court rules on it in two or three months, meanwhile they're going to be hanging out your living room.

That is NOT ok. Nobody sane would think that was the way things should be.  And lefties ... this is how YOU are suggesting people should do things. 

You would throw them out on their ass, and if they wanted to file some sort of court action they could do it from the curb.  You're not going to let them sleep in the house with your family until this gets worked out. 

 

Well said. 

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There is civil due process though.  But the implications are different than criminal due process. 

Procedural Due Process Civil :: Fourteenth Amendment -- Rights Guaranteed: Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process, and Equal Protection :: U.S. Constitution Annotated :: Justia

Civil due process does NOT mean that actions aren't taken before you go to court. And that's what's baffling these guys.  Civil due process means you have access to a court to challenge things.   When  a cop gives you a speeding ticket, he does so without consulting a court. You have the right to CHALLENGE it in court but if you don't then the ticket must be paid and is legally binding. This is different than a criminal case. 

If a person was deported without any ability to challenge that in the courts later, that might be unfair.  For example a cop could decide YOU look "Mexican enough" and deport you before you get any chance to provide any citizenship papers.  You need to have the ability to challenge that. 

But the fact is you still would outside of the country. You would be able to access the legal system and all the things necessary to address the fact you felt  you were legal. 

Deportation is not in and of itself intended to be a punishment. So it does not need a court to ok it before hand. And you still have access to the courts even after deported if you wish to challenge it.  Nobody has lost their due process. 

Which is the long form of the rest of my post.

[Deluge]

23 hours ago, Hodad said:

As before--and for the MANY reasons identified, your "point" is poorly argues and quite asinine. 

Apparently there's no number of time I can say it in order to make it sink in, but this affects FAR more people than those actually here illegally.

Whether that be people who are harassed for fitting "the profile," people traumatically abducted for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or individuals like the 4 year old citizen with stage 4 cancer who was shipped to Honduras alongside her undocumented mother--without medicine, btw. I'm sure that will end well. 

This is your idea of tough love? And you wonder why someone would question your empathy, or your basic decency as a human being? 

 

🙄 Trump authorizes ICE to target courthouses, schools and churches

Since you're not affected, you clearly aren't paying attention to what he's doing, taking the deliberate step of authorizing ICE to go into these places. 

Patently false. ICE is "going after" anybody they encounter who looks the part. Again, you don't pay attention because you aren't affected. This is an explicit and deliberate policy change.

ICE lets local officials stop immigrants on the streets as task force program is back
The Trump administration has re-opened the 287(g) program that led to abuses in the 2000s.

As the Trump administration pushes for more deportations, the government has revived a long-abandoned program that lets local and state law enforcement challenge people on the street about immigration status — and possibly arrest them for deportation.

So far this week, state and county agencies in Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas have already signed up for the “task force” program that was dropped in 2012 after abuses including racial profiling were discovered, costing tens of millions in lawsuits. New Hampshire State Police will sign an agreement soon.

Thanks for the op-ed. Meanwhile, the data still shows that Blacks are disproportionately killed by police, but also disproportionately targeted and disadvantaged at literally every stage of the justice system.

They are more likely to be:

• Scrutinized
• Stopped
• Arrested
• Charged
• Convicted
• Assigned harsher sentences
• Sentenced to death 

^^This is not in a vacuum. This is apples for apples, like for like in terms of actual offense. 

Not that you'll be bothered by that, because race doesn't matter (to the people not disadvantaged by race)!

I'm sorry a$$hole but we didn't let them in the country. YOU did.

Reckless border management means responsible Americans have to step in and do some hard things. 

Just sit back, stfu, and take it like a man. We're cleaning up YOUR mess. 

[robosmith]

47 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Which is the long form of the rest of my post.

Then both of you are wrong. No one in the El Salvador gulag has access to a lawyer and is thus unable to challenge his detention. Garcia MAY have SOME access through his Senator, but that is exceptional, if it's even allowed by the dictator Bukele.

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Then both of you are wrong. No one in the El Salvador gulag has access to a lawyer and is thus unable to challenge his detention. Garcia MAY have SOME access through his Senator, but that is exceptional, if it's even allowed by the dictator Bukele.

Times are tough, a$$hole. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. 

You should take comfort in knowing that the majority of illegal aliens will have an opportunity to do the right thing by filing at a Port of entry, rather than breaking into this country and sucking up tax dollars. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Times are tough, a$$hole. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. 

There was NO CRIME CHARGED against Garcia, a-hole.

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

You should take comfort in knowing that the majority of illegal aliens will have an opportunity to do the right thing by filing at a Port of entry, rather than breaking into this country and sucking up tax dollars. 

You should STFU about things of which you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

[CdnFox]

21 minutes ago, robosmith said:

There was NO CRIME CHARGED against Garcia, a-hole.

 

Then he's not entitled to go to court before he's deported. While we're talking about here is the deportation then he can appeal that from outside the country

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Then he's not entitled to go to court before he's deported. While we're talking about here is the deportation then he can appeal that from outside the country

Nope. Bukele doesn't allow lawyers in his gulag. Duh

In reality, there was already a "no deportation" order in place for Garcia long before he was sent to El Salvador.

That's why the DoJ lawyer told the court his deportation was an "administrative error."

[User]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

There was NO CRIME CHARGED against Garcia, a-hole.

The crime was illegal entry, which results in deportation. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Nope. Bukele doesn't allow lawyers in his gulag. Duh

Well that's got nothing to do with trump or america or any of Americas laws. Sounds like you should be angry at this bukele guy not trump 

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In reality, there was already a "no deportation" order in place for Garcia long before he was sent to El Salvador.

That's why the DoJ lawyer told the court his deportation was an "administrative error."

Well that sometimes does happen. Too bad.

[Deluge]

On 5/9/2025 at 3:44 PM, robosmith said:

There was NO CRIME CHARGED against Garcia, a-hole.

You should STFU about things of which you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

He was here illegally and now he's not. He's somewhere in El Salvador. 

Everything is right in the world as far as he is concerned, and now YOU can stfu.  

[Aristides]

Now he is talking about suspending habeas corpus. The march to a dictatorship trudges along.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wh-trump-suspending-habeas-corpus/story?id=121653587

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Now he is talking about suspending habeas corpus. The march to a dictatorship trudges along.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wh-trump-suspending-habeas-corpus/story?id=121653587

Yeah, no offense but i trust ABC's 'reporting' on that about as much as i'd trust a nazi newspaper reporting that 'sources indicate the jews are plotting something"  

If the Whitehouse actually produces something we can talk about it. The devil is always in the details.  

I think in general trump is looking to strip away people's ability to misuse the system to remain in the country if they entered illegally by tying up the courts.  And i get that. I can see the danger in going too far with that as well, but obviously people are fed up with illegals costing the system billions to stay when they themselves don't care about the laws. 

The dems destroyed people's belief in the legal system under biden. Numerous people here pointed that out when it was happening. Now there's not much to hold back the republicans.  Which was the predicted result. Hope you're enjoying it  

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah, no offense but i trust ABC's 'reporting' on that about as much as i'd trust a nazi newspaper reporting that 'sources indicate the jews are plotting something"  

If the Whitehouse actually produces something we can talk about it. The devil is always in the details.  

I think in general trump is looking to strip away people's ability to misuse the system to remain in the country if they entered illegally by tying up the courts.  And i get that. I can see the danger in going too far with that as well, but obviously people are fed up with illegals costing the system billions to stay when they themselves don't care about the laws. 

The dems destroyed people's belief in the legal system under biden. Numerous people here pointed that out when it was happening. Now there's not much to hold back the republicans.  Which was the predicted result. Hope you're enjoying it  

So look at other sources. Are you saying Miller didn't actually say those things and ABC is lying when they quote him? He is the senior advisor to the President. He is the Whitehouse.

FFS you guys will excuse anything Trump does. Talk about a cult, you are unbelievable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qgz18glljo

https://apnews.com/article/habeas-corpus-trump-migrants-deportations-constitution-28a598363d03bfc9448b5132c72f2b3d

https://www.fox13news.com/news/trump-habeas-corpus-suspension-threat

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:31 AM by Aristides

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

So look at other sources. Are you saying Miller didn't actually say those things and ABC is lying when they quote him? He is the senior advisor to the President. He is the Whitehouse.

FFS you guys will excuse anything Trump does. Talk about a cult, you are unbelievable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qgz18glljo

https://apnews.com/article/habeas-corpus-trump-migrants-deportations-constitution-28a598363d03bfc9448b5132c72f2b3d

https://www.fox13news.com/news/trump-habeas-corpus-suspension-threat

 

 

Very different than what you suggested initially as I suspected

. You claimed that he was going to do it, as if he was just going to make that decision,  not that they were looking at legal recourses that allow for it in the constitution. The same way it's been used four times in the past.

Including dealing with Klu Klux Klan members.

And you didn't mention that if he wants to proceed he needs congress. 

So what you meant to say was that trump is considering the possibility of putting something in front of congress to vote on exercising a clause that had previously been exercised several times in the past which allows habeas corpus to be set aside. Not that trump personally is suspending habeas corpus just out of the blue.

As always with you people, there is a significant difference between the way you phrase something and the actual truth of it

[Nationalist]

On 5/9/2025 at 3:19 PM, robosmith said:

Then both of you are wrong. No one in the El Salvador gulag has access to a lawyer and is thus unable to challenge his detention. Garcia MAY have SOME access through his Senator, but that is exceptional, if it's even allowed by the dictator Bukele.

And that's America's problem why? Exactly?

[Aristides]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Very different than what you suggested initially as I suspected

. You claimed that he was going to do it, as if he was just going to make that decision,  not that they were looking at legal recourses that allow for it in the constitution. The same way it's been used four times in the past.

Including dealing with Klu Klux Klan members.

And you didn't mention that if he wants to proceed he needs congress. 

So what you meant to say was that trump is considering the possibility of putting something in front of congress to vote on exercising a clause that had previously been exercised several times in the past which allows habeas corpus to be set aside. Not that trump personally is suspending habeas corpus just out of the blue.

As always with you people, there is a significant difference between the way you phrase something and the actual truth of it

Wriggle Wriggle. Squirm Squirm. Some things never change. They are obviously putting it out there to gauge the reaction to give them an indication whether they can get away with it. 

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And that's America's problem why? Exactly?

Trump can't build his own gulags so he is paying other countries to use theirs. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Aristides

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And that's America's problem why? Exactly?

The Constitution and the SCOTUS says Garcia has the right to challenge his detention IN COURT.

A court has already given him an order protecting him from deportation. Duh

That's why Trump's lawyer told the court that deporting him was an administrative error.

You're welcome, ignoramus.