Poilevre wants to reverse the single-use ban on plastics!

cannuck · April 26

On 4/23/2025 at 8:45 AM, blackbird said:

Why not just stop throwing plastic into waterways and nature? Why not put it all in recycle bins and recycle it? We need to be cleaning up the oceans and waterways and removing any plastic.

It would be pretty hard to ban all plastics. We have countless things we need it for. What about all the plastic bottles we use for water, pop, juices, and countless things? What about the plastic bags we use for food and many things? It would make more sense to just recycle it all instead of trying to ban things that we need.

The Liberals and left's idea of banning plastic straws will accomplish nothing. What about the tons of other plastic things used for countless purposes? They didn't ban them.

It was all show to garner votes much like their fake war on climate change.

First of all: the solutions is NOT to "recycle" it is to completely stop production, use and disposal of plastics. IF you could recycle (and you can't even come close in the wealthy Western world that can't reach 10% and reality in the developing world is much closer to 0% recycle and 100% waste). Every time you store food in plastic, eat food from plastic, or handle it at all you release a lot of microplastics that enter the food chain bringing the "forever" chemicals with them into our bodies. Shoot, even wearing synthetic fabrics does the same thing.

As I mentioned: there are many fully biodegradable and safe resins already in existence and we can invent and produce many more at scale. The solutions are right in front of us, but instead we continue to poison the planet with chemistry we KNOW is permanently toxic to most forms of life.

herbie · April 26

On 4/23/2025 at 7:45 AM, blackbird said:

Why not just stop throwing plastic into waterways and nature? Why not put it all in recycle bins and recycle it?

Because there's a huge percentage of people who just will not, despite even placing recycling fees and even deposits on them.

Never seen people walking down the side of the road with garbage bags picking up trash? Well 90% of them aren't - they're picking up bottles and cans because despite a 10 - 25¢ deposit on them people still toss them out the window. My friend's daughter own the bottle depot, after the spring thaw people have brought in $300 - $400 worth just picking off the side of the highway.
- And it's 'too demeaning' for the Scouts to do that anymore. They just want ones you've already washed and sorted and hand them in blue (non degrading, non recyclable) recycle bags!

Same girl got a grant and ran a recycle service here years ago. Delivered the bins and you just put your plastics in one and cardboard in another and put them out with your garbage for collection. Had 3 employees too. She says maybe one in three houses even did that.
When the grant ended, the town didn't take over, claimed it would've added ten dollars a year to the average home tax. People voted it down.
Snivelling whiners too f*cking cheap to pay $10 a year.

Like what kind of nut are you to think people will make the slightest effort if it's so much a minor inconvenience? FFS you wouldn't even slow down, drive a little less or get a smaller vehicle to save 17¢/L would you?

Edited April 26 by herbie

cannuck · May 2

On 4/23/2025 at 10:35 AM, blackbird said:

Funny how the loons think government can save the planet by banning a few things. Would make more sense to teach people to recycle plastic.

I have a fair bit of experience with this topic.

The collection, transportation and reprocessing infrastructure isn't there and if it was possible to be significantly successful (and it is not) the costs would be many times that of the original product.

The big deal is we would still HAVE the damned plastics - and whenever and wherever they exist, they deliver a wide range of "forever chemicals" into not just our environment but our own bodies. The only solution is to stop using them completely. Fortunately, the technology exists and is well proven to make replacement resins that can and SHOULD be disposed of by directly passing into soils as they can be a tremendous soil nutrient - able to repair some of the damage we have done to our soils. It would require effectively washing of content remainents that are toxiins on their own - and this can most effectively be done by placing the full life cycle costs and responsibilities on the original packager. This can be very effectively done by a deposit/return mechanism to get the container back to its source by "flowing backwards" through the distribution system. The latter has been done with incredible success in some jurisdictions with aluminum drink cans and others with lubricating oil, containers and filters. The one that is widespread in visibility but seldom achieving stated goals is used tires. The market for ground rubber compressed into floor mats and curb stops is saturated - but new tech is around that can take it back to the OEM as re-useable feedstock.

blackbird · May 2

3 hours ago, cannuck said:

The big deal is we would still HAVE the damned plastics - and whenever and wherever they exist, they deliver a wide range of "forever chemicals" into not just our environment but our own bodies.

I am not sure that using plastic straws puts chemical in our bodies. I have not heard that claim.

I would oppose imposing more extreme regulations and costs on Canadians to do useless things that just create more bureaucracy and expense for taxpayers and others.

Canada is great at being Socialistic and bureaucratic. That is costing the people a lot and is another reason housing is so expensive in Canada now.

Liberals and left have a tendency to regulate everything to death, put charges, fees, permits on everything and create vast regulations. I think we should be on our guard against that.

Governments at all levels have a tendency to do that. That is great for government unions workers and employees as it creates more work, but it makes everyone else poorer.

herbie · May 2

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

I am not sure that using plastic straws puts chemical in our bodies. I have not heard that claim.

Somebody must've to start the bullshit that it's the paper ones that do.
That's the usual no no, all of you are the liars BS that that political stereotype loves so much.

blackbird · May 2

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

Somebody must've to start the bullshit that it's the paper ones that do.
That's the usual no no, all of you are the liars BS that that political stereotype loves so much.

Study finds paper straws higher in cancer-causing chemicals than plastic | True North

It Turns Out Paper Straws Might Pose a Serious Problem Too : ScienceAlert

Do plastic bottles cause cancer? | Plastic and cancer

Scientists warn paper straws pose major risks to human health | News Tech | Metro News

You should do a little reading sometime instead of barking out nonsense all the time.

blackbird · May 2

9 hours ago, cannuck said:

The big deal is we would still HAVE the damned plastics - and whenever and wherever they exist, they deliver a wide range of "forever chemicals" into not just our environment but our own bodies. The only solution is to stop using them completely.