robosmith Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Legato said: There is none, that's the eminence of the relevance. There is not even an unclammy relevance. That's why I posted "Irrelevance happened" Quote
User Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 11 hours ago, robosmith said: IF you believe that the formation of the Holy Roman Empire is relevant to the comparison between Trump and Hitler then you need to do a much better job of explaining your delusion, cause you've FAILED with this: What is a fact is that you made some very stupid ignorant and false comments which I called out here and you are avoiding answering for that: Quote
Deluge Posted March 13 Author Report Posted March 13 12 hours ago, robosmith said: Seems you have NO explanation of that relevance to the comparison between Trump and Hitler You sure as f*ck don't. Quote
Legato Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 10 hours ago, robosmith said: That's why I posted "Irrelevance happened" The irrelevance is not in the past but in the current time. Quote
Deluge Posted March 13 Author Report Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Legato said: The irrelevance is not in the past but in the current time. It's also in robowoke's head, which explains the machine gun effect of his brainless posts. Quote
robosmith Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Legato said: The irrelevance is not in the past but in the current time. How the 1st Reich was established is not relevant to the current discussion about how Trump is following Hitler's path. Quote
Deluge Posted March 13 Author Report Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, robosmith said: How the 1st Reich was established is not relevant to the current discussion about how Trump is following Hitler's path. And you've established shit about Trump's comparisons to Hitler. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 50 minutes ago, Deluge said: And you've established shit about Trump's comparisons to Hitler. Trump and Hitler are both bipedal carbon based life forms descended from an ape. Seriously do you need more? They're the same! -- The left, probably. 1 Quote
User Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 1 hour ago, robosmith said: How the 1st Reich was established is not relevant to the current discussion about how Trump is following Hitler's path. Why are you running and hiding from me? Quote
Deluge Posted March 13 Author Report Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, User said: Why are you running and hiding from me? robomarx flees at the first sign of trouble. He's a dispenser, not a debater. 1 Quote
impartialobserver Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 Trump and Hitler.. are in no way connected. Biden and Hitler... no similarities other than both being homo sapiens and conducting the ATP reaction. Quote
Aristides Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-brace-yourselves-whatever-crazy-awful-things-trump-may-have-done-to/?utm_source=offsite&utm_medium=cossette&utm_campaign=EVERGREEN7&utm_term=ccdr&utm_content=Braceyourself&utm_id=120222636104560348&fbclid=IwY2xjawJAFEJleHRuA2FlbQEwAGFkaWQBqx4nBcbEHAEds8UQlMpL2BSHMi8MPiqkgrYzldhFcg7Ogm5lh1R1jMao2Tw6QEktWLwK_aem_az2H3gEKl_jmb6HFXwQ8ag Quote
robosmith Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, impartialobserver said: Trump and Hitler.. are in no way connected. You mean other than that FACT that Trump is alleged by his wife to have kept Hitler's books on his nightstand, and his path in politics has closely mirrored Hitler's rise to power in Germany? Gardner-Webb University https://digitalcommons.gardner-webb.edu › undergrad-h... An Exploration of Trump's and Hitler's Rise to Power by T Horne · 2024 — While many scholars have examined the rhetoric of President Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler individually, there is a void of scholarly work that highlights ... The rise of Adolf Hitler and the parallels with U.S. politics ... Texas Public Radio | TPR https://www.tpr.org › podcast › the-rise-of-adolf-hitler-... Jan 30, 2025 — In the six months before Adolf Hitler seized power, the Nazi leader teetered between triumph and ruin. His party was losing supporters and ... Hitler Comes to Washington: An Analysis of the Structural ... Scholarship @ Claremont https://scholarship.claremont.edu › cmc_theses by M Fine · 2021 · Cited by 1 — The purpose of this paper is to explore the reasons that Americans came to view President Trump as a representation of Nazi idealism and the rise of Hitler. Trump's Rhetoric Echoes Hitler Harvard Political Review https://theharvardpoliticalreview.com › trump-rhetoric-... Jan 20, 2025 — Trump's rhetoric echoes the racism and dehumanization present in the rhetoric of Adolf Hitler. His language is uncharacteristic of a ... Fascist tendencies in Trump: A comparison to Hitler's rise YouTube · DW News 209.2K+ views · 4 months ago An unsettling question has been dominating the US presidential race is Donald Trump a fascist with some comparing him to Nazi Adolf Hitler. Edited March 13 by robosmith 1 Quote
User Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 4 minutes ago, robosmith said: You mean other than that FACT that Trump is alleged by his wife to have kept Hitler's books on his nightstand, and his path in politics has closely mirrored Hitler's rise to power in Germany? Stop hiding from me: 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 1 hour ago, robosmith said: You mean other than that FACT that Trump is alleged by his wife to have kept Hitler's books on his nightstand, and his path in politics has closely mirrored Hitler's rise to power in Germany? Gardner-Webb University https://digitalcommons.gardner-webb.edu › undergrad-h... An Exploration of Trump's and Hitler's Rise to Power by T Horne · 2024 — While many scholars have examined the rhetoric of President Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler individually, there is a void of scholarly work that highlights ... The rise of Adolf Hitler and the parallels with U.S. politics ... Texas Public Radio | TPR https://www.tpr.org › podcast › the-rise-of-adolf-hitler-... Jan 30, 2025 — In the six months before Adolf Hitler seized power, the Nazi leader teetered between triumph and ruin. His party was losing supporters and ... Hitler Comes to Washington: An Analysis of the Structural ... Scholarship @ Claremont https://scholarship.claremont.edu › cmc_theses by M Fine · 2021 · Cited by 1 — The purpose of this paper is to explore the reasons that Americans came to view President Trump as a representation of Nazi idealism and the rise of Hitler. Trump's Rhetoric Echoes Hitler Harvard Political Review https://theharvardpoliticalreview.com › trump-rhetoric-... Jan 20, 2025 — Trump's rhetoric echoes the racism and dehumanization present in the rhetoric of Adolf Hitler. His language is uncharacteristic of a ... Fascist tendencies in Trump: A comparison to Hitler's rise YouTube · DW News 209.2K+ views · 4 months ago An unsettling question has been dominating the US presidential race is Donald Trump a fascist with some comparing him to Nazi Adolf Hitler. Is path has not mirrored hitler's in the slightest. 1 1 Quote
Radiorum Posted March 14 Report Posted March 14 On 3/12/2025 at 12:09 PM, Deluge said: So where are the concentration camps? Where are the military invasions? Where is the 2nd Holocaust? Does anyone really know what in the f*ck these retards are crying about? You know that famous quote of Wayne Gretzky? Don't focus on where the puck has been, but where it is going? So, where is Trump going? Clearly, he is not Hitler. Hitler is Hitler and Trump is Trump. But there are definite parallels in how they attained power, which we ignore at our peril. A society is built on stories. Some stories (like the US Constitution) are originated for the good. Other stories, like the stories perpetuated by the leaders of Nazi Germany, Stalinism, and Trumpism, are for the bad. They are false and harmful stories that lead to mass delusion, in a climate of hatred and fear. Trumpism, Nazism, Stalinism - all held together with deluded ideas founded on lies and cruelty 1 2 Quote
Scott75 Posted March 14 Report Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Radiorum said: You know that famous quote of Wayne Gretzky? Don't focus on where the puck has been, but where it is going? So, where is Trump going? Clearly, he is not Hitler. Hitler is Hitler and Trump is Trump. But there are definite parallels in how they attained power, which we ignore at our peril. A society is built on stories. Some stories (like the US Constitution) are originated for the good. Other stories, like the stories perpetuated by the leaders of Nazi Germany, Stalinism, and Trumpism, are for the bad. They are false and harmful stories that lead to mass delusion, in a climate of hatred and fear. Trumpism, Nazism, Stalinism - all held together with deluded ideas founded on lies and cruelty There are a few things that Trump has done that I've applauded, such as his wish to ameliorate the United States' relationship with Russia. I'm not saying he's doing a good job of it, but he at least appears to be trying, which is something the Biden Administration was clearly not doing. I also applaud his decisions to nominate Robert Kennedy Jr. as his Secretary of the Department of Health and Tulsi Gabbard as his Director of National Intelligence. However, I too am concerned about many of the things he and his Administration have been doing. Well known journalist Chris Hedges wrote an article about him recently that I thought was quite scary. It can be seen here: https://scheerpost.com/2025/02/24/chris-hedges-the-purge-of-the-deep-state-and-the-road-to-dictatorship-2/ Quote
User Posted March 14 Report Posted March 14 7 hours ago, Radiorum said: Clearly, he is not Hitler. Hitler is Hitler and Trump is Trump. But there are definite parallels in how they attained power, which we ignore at our peril. What are these parallels, then? You guys make the assertions, but never seem to be able to make the argument. Quote
Deluge Posted March 14 Author Report Posted March 14 7 hours ago, Radiorum said: You know that famous quote of Wayne Gretzky? Don't focus on where the puck has been, but where it is going? So, where is Trump going? Clearly, he is not Hitler. Hitler is Hitler and Trump is Trump. But there are definite parallels in how they attained power, which we ignore at our peril. A society is built on stories. Some stories (like the US Constitution) are originated for the good. Other stories, like the stories perpetuated by the leaders of Nazi Germany, Stalinism, and Trumpism, are for the bad. They are false and harmful stories that lead to mass delusion, in a climate of hatred and fear. Trumpism, Nazism, Stalinism - all held together with deluded ideas founded on lies and cruelty Talk about the parallels. Talk about the comparisons between Trumpism and Nazism/Stalinism. 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted March 14 Report Posted March 14 6 minutes ago, Deluge said: Talk about the parallels. Talk about the comparisons between Trumpism and Nazism/Stalinism. Gladly, especially considering I only need quote from well known journalist Chris Hedges: ** The Trump administration’s war with the deep state is not a purgative. It is not about freeing us from the tyranny of intelligence agencies, militarized police, the largest prison system in the world, predatory corporations or the end of mass surveillance. It will not restore the rule of law to hold the powerful and the wealthy accountable. It will not slash the bloated and unaccountable spending — some $1 trillion dollars — by the Pentagon. All revolutionary movements, on the left or the right, dismantle the old bureaucratic structures. The fascists in Germany and the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union, once they seized power, aggressively purged the civil service. They see in these structures, correctly, an enemy that would stymie their absolute grip on power. It is a coup d’état by inches. Now we get our own. Rearguard battles — as in the early years of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany — are taking place in the courts and media outlets openly hostile to Trump. There will be, at first, pyrrhic victories — the Bolsheviks and the Nazis were stalled by their own judiciaries and hostile press — but gradually the purges, aided by a bankrupt liberalism that no longer stands or fights for anything, ensures the triumph of the new masters. The Trump administration has expelled or fired officials who investigate wrongdoing within the federal government, including 17 inspectors general. Federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, such as the FBI and Homeland Security, are being purged of those deemed hostile to Trump. Courts, as they are stacked with compliant judges, will be mechanisms for the persecution of state “enemies” and protection rackets for the powerful and the rich. The Supreme Court, which has granted Trump legal immunity, has already reached this stage. [snip] One of Trump’s final acts in his first term was signing the order “Creating Schedule F in the Excepted Service.” This order removed employment protections from career government bureaucrats. Joe Biden rescinded it. It has been resurrected with a vengeance. It too has echoes from the past. The Nazis’ 1933 “Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service” saw political opponents and non-Aryans, including Germans of Jewish descent, dismissed from the civil service. The Bolsheviks likewise purged the military and civil service of “counter-revolutionaries.” The firing of over 9,500 federal workers — with 75,000 others accepting a less-than-ironclad deferred buyout agreement amid plans to cut 70 percent of staff from various government agencies — freezing of billions of dollars in funding and ongoing seizure of confidential data by Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is not about downsizing and efficiency. [snip] The “Trump’s Birthday and Flag Day Holiday Establishment Act,” introduced by Congresswoman Claudia Tenny, is a harbinger of what lies ahead. The act would designate June 14 as a federal holiday to commemorate “Donald J. Trump’s Birthday and Flag Day.” The next step is choreographed state parades with oversized portraits of the great leader. Joseph Roth was one of the few writers in Germany to understand the attraction and inevitable rise of fascism. In his essay “The Auto-da-Fé of the Mind,” which addressed the first mass burning of books by the Nazis, he counseled fellow Jewish writers to accept that they had been vanquished: “Let us, who were fighting on the front line, under the banner of the European mind, let us fulfill the noblest duty of the defeated warrior: Let us concede our defeat.” Roth, blacklisted by the Nazis, forced into exile and reduced to poverty, did not delude himself with false hopes. “What use are my words,” Roth asked, “against the guns, the loudspeakers, the murderers, the deranged ministers, the stupid interviewers and journalists who interpret the voice of this world of Babel, muddied anyhow, via the drums of Nuremberg?” He knew what was coming. “It will become clear to you now that we are heading for a great catastrophe,” Roth, after going into exile in France in 1933, wrote to Stefan Zweig about the seizure of power by the Nazis. “The barbarians have taken over. Do not deceive yourself. Hell reigns.” But Roth also argued even if defeat was certain, resistance was a moral imperative, a way to defend one’s dignity and the sanctity of the truth. “One must write, even when one realizes the printed word can no longer improve anything,” he insisted. I am as pessimistic as Roth. Censorship and state repression will expand. Those with a conscience will become an enemy of the state. Resistance, when it happens, will be expressed in spontaneous eruptions which coalesce outside the established centers of power. These acts of defiance will be met with brutal state repression. But if we do not resist, we succumb morally and physically to the darkness. We become complicit in a radical evil. This, we must never allow. ** Full article: https://scheerpost.com/2025/02/24/chris-hedges-the-purge-of-the-deep-state-and-the-road-to-dictatorship-2/ Quote
Deluge Posted March 14 Author Report Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Scott75 said: Gladly, especially considering I only need quote from well known journalist Chris Hedges: ** The Trump administration’s war with the deep state is not a purgative. It is not about freeing us from the tyranny of intelligence agencies, militarized police, the largest prison system in the world, predatory corporations or the end of mass surveillance. It will not restore the rule of law to hold the powerful and the wealthy accountable. It will not slash the bloated and unaccountable spending — some $1 trillion dollars — by the Pentagon. All revolutionary movements, on the left or the right, dismantle the old bureaucratic structures. The fascists in Germany and the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union, once they seized power, aggressively purged the civil service. They see in these structures, correctly, an enemy that would stymie their absolute grip on power. It is a coup d’état by inches. Now we get our own. Rearguard battles — as in the early years of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany — are taking place in the courts and media outlets openly hostile to Trump. There will be, at first, pyrrhic victories — the Bolsheviks and the Nazis were stalled by their own judiciaries and hostile press — but gradually the purges, aided by a bankrupt liberalism that no longer stands or fights for anything, ensures the triumph of the new masters. The Trump administration has expelled or fired officials who investigate wrongdoing within the federal government, including 17 inspectors general. Federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, such as the FBI and Homeland Security, are being purged of those deemed hostile to Trump. Courts, as they are stacked with compliant judges, will be mechanisms for the persecution of state “enemies” and protection rackets for the powerful and the rich. The Supreme Court, which has granted Trump legal immunity, has already reached this stage. [snip] One of Trump’s final acts in his first term was signing the order “Creating Schedule F in the Excepted Service.” This order removed employment protections from career government bureaucrats. Joe Biden rescinded it. It has been resurrected with a vengeance. It too has echoes from the past. The Nazis’ 1933 “Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service” saw political opponents and non-Aryans, including Germans of Jewish descent, dismissed from the civil service. The Bolsheviks likewise purged the military and civil service of “counter-revolutionaries.” The firing of over 9,500 federal workers — with 75,000 others accepting a less-than-ironclad deferred buyout agreement amid plans to cut 70 percent of staff from various government agencies — freezing of billions of dollars in funding and ongoing seizure of confidential data by Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is not about downsizing and efficiency. [snip] The “Trump’s Birthday and Flag Day Holiday Establishment Act,” introduced by Congresswoman Claudia Tenny, is a harbinger of what lies ahead. The act would designate June 14 as a federal holiday to commemorate “Donald J. Trump’s Birthday and Flag Day.” The next step is choreographed state parades with oversized portraits of the great leader. Joseph Roth was one of the few writers in Germany to understand the attraction and inevitable rise of fascism. In his essay “The Auto-da-Fé of the Mind,” which addressed the first mass burning of books by the Nazis, he counseled fellow Jewish writers to accept that they had been vanquished: “Let us, who were fighting on the front line, under the banner of the European mind, let us fulfill the noblest duty of the defeated warrior: Let us concede our defeat.” Roth, blacklisted by the Nazis, forced into exile and reduced to poverty, did not delude himself with false hopes. “What use are my words,” Roth asked, “against the guns, the loudspeakers, the murderers, the deranged ministers, the stupid interviewers and journalists who interpret the voice of this world of Babel, muddied anyhow, via the drums of Nuremberg?” He knew what was coming. “It will become clear to you now that we are heading for a great catastrophe,” Roth, after going into exile in France in 1933, wrote to Stefan Zweig about the seizure of power by the Nazis. “The barbarians have taken over. Do not deceive yourself. Hell reigns.” But Roth also argued even if defeat was certain, resistance was a moral imperative, a way to defend one’s dignity and the sanctity of the truth. “One must write, even when one realizes the printed word can no longer improve anything,” he insisted. I am as pessimistic as Roth. Censorship and state repression will expand. Those with a conscience will become an enemy of the state. Resistance, when it happens, will be expressed in spontaneous eruptions which coalesce outside the established centers of power. These acts of defiance will be met with brutal state repression. But if we do not resist, we succumb morally and physically to the darkness. We become complicit in a radical evil. This, we must never allow. ** Full article: https://scheerpost.com/2025/02/24/chris-hedges-the-purge-of-the-deep-state-and-the-road-to-dictatorship-2/ Change can be good. In Trump's case, change is good. In Hitler's case it was bad. Get it? 1 Quote
User Posted March 14 Report Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Deluge said: Change can be good. In Trump's case, change is good. In Hitler's case it was bad. Get it? Hitler "purged" civil servants by killing them after he made himself dictator. This notion that Trump is on a parallel path to Hitler because he is firing some small percentage of the federal workforce out of motivations to streamline government bureaucracy or cut wasteful agencies is just silly nonsense. 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 14 Author Report Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, User said: Hitler "purged" civil servants by killing them after he made himself dictator. This notion that Trump is on a parallel path to Hitler because he is firing some small percentage of the federal workforce out of motivations to streamline government bureaucracy or cut wasteful agencies is just silly nonsense. It absolutely is nonsense. What blows me away is how stunted & fanatical the democrat party has gotten. They remind me of jihadists. 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted March 14 Report Posted March 14 24 minutes ago, Deluge said: 33 minutes ago, Scott75 said: Gladly, especially considering I only need quote from well known journalist Chris Hedges: ** The Trump administration’s war with the deep state is not a purgative. It is not about freeing us from the tyranny of intelligence agencies, militarized police, the largest prison system in the world, predatory corporations or the end of mass surveillance. It will not restore the rule of law to hold the powerful and the wealthy accountable. It will not slash the bloated and unaccountable spending — some $1 trillion dollars — by the Pentagon. All revolutionary movements, on the left or the right, dismantle the old bureaucratic structures. The fascists in Germany and the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union, once they seized power, aggressively purged the civil service. They see in these structures, correctly, an enemy that would stymie their absolute grip on power. It is a coup d’état by inches. Now we get our own. Rearguard battles — as in the early years of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany — are taking place in the courts and media outlets openly hostile to Trump. There will be, at first, pyrrhic victories — the Bolsheviks and the Nazis were stalled by their own judiciaries and hostile press — but gradually the purges, aided by a bankrupt liberalism that no longer stands or fights for anything, ensures the triumph of the new masters. The Trump administration has expelled or fired officials who investigate wrongdoing within the federal government, including 17 inspectors general. Federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, such as the FBI and Homeland Security, are being purged of those deemed hostile to Trump. Courts, as they are stacked with compliant judges, will be mechanisms for the persecution of state “enemies” and protection rackets for the powerful and the rich. The Supreme Court, which has granted Trump legal immunity, has already reached this stage. [snip] One of Trump’s final acts in his first term was signing the order “Creating Schedule F in the Excepted Service.” This order removed employment protections from career government bureaucrats. Joe Biden rescinded it. It has been resurrected with a vengeance. It too has echoes from the past. The Nazis’ 1933 “Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service” saw political opponents and non-Aryans, including Germans of Jewish descent, dismissed from the civil service. The Bolsheviks likewise purged the military and civil service of “counter-revolutionaries.” The firing of over 9,500 federal workers — with 75,000 others accepting a less-than-ironclad deferred buyout agreement amid plans to cut 70 percent of staff from various government agencies — freezing of billions of dollars in funding and ongoing seizure of confidential data by Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is not about downsizing and efficiency. [snip] The “Trump’s Birthday and Flag Day Holiday Establishment Act,” introduced by Congresswoman Claudia Tenny, is a harbinger of what lies ahead. The act would designate June 14 as a federal holiday to commemorate “Donald J. Trump’s Birthday and Flag Day.” The next step is choreographed state parades with oversized portraits of the great leader. Joseph Roth was one of the few writers in Germany to understand the attraction and inevitable rise of fascism. In his essay “The Auto-da-Fé of the Mind,” which addressed the first mass burning of books by the Nazis, he counseled fellow Jewish writers to accept that they had been vanquished: “Let us, who were fighting on the front line, under the banner of the European mind, let us fulfill the noblest duty of the defeated warrior: Let us concede our defeat.” Roth, blacklisted by the Nazis, forced into exile and reduced to poverty, did not delude himself with false hopes. “What use are my words,” Roth asked, “against the guns, the loudspeakers, the murderers, the deranged ministers, the stupid interviewers and journalists who interpret the voice of this world of Babel, muddied anyhow, via the drums of Nuremberg?” He knew what was coming. “It will become clear to you now that we are heading for a great catastrophe,” Roth, after going into exile in France in 1933, wrote to Stefan Zweig about the seizure of power by the Nazis. “The barbarians have taken over. Do not deceive yourself. Hell reigns.” But Roth also argued even if defeat was certain, resistance was a moral imperative, a way to defend one’s dignity and the sanctity of the truth. “One must write, even when one realizes the printed word can no longer improve anything,” he insisted. I am as pessimistic as Roth. Censorship and state repression will expand. Those with a conscience will become an enemy of the state. Resistance, when it happens, will be expressed in spontaneous eruptions which coalesce outside the established centers of power. These acts of defiance will be met with brutal state repression. But if we do not resist, we succumb morally and physically to the darkness. We become complicit in a radical evil. This, we must never allow. ** Full article: https://scheerpost.com/2025/02/24/chris-hedges-the-purge-of-the-deep-state-and-the-road-to-dictatorship-2/ Change can be good. Agreed. 25 minutes ago, Deluge said: In Trump's case, change is good. Sometimes. I'm sure you know that I certainly agree that his policies towards Russia is an improvement over Biden's policies towards Russia. But in other regards, his policies are worse. Chris Hedges' article gets into many of these new policies. Quote
Deluge Posted March 14 Author Report Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Scott75 said: Agreed. Sometimes. I'm sure you know that I certainly agree that his policies towards Russia is an improvement over Biden's policies towards Russia. But in other regards, his policies are worse. Chris Hedges' article gets into many of these new policies. Trump's policies are either good, or not fully developed: meaning, we're still in a wait and see period. Talk about the policies you think are bad. Quote
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