Will Putin agree to a ceasefire?

[Scott75]

16 hours ago, Gaétan said:

There is nothing for the Russians to exploit in Europe except cash cows and coal, so if they attack Europe it will not be for their property but because they want to protect their own. European leaders want to invest in armaments, not to protect what is of no interest to the Russians, but simply to receive bribes from the arms industry.

From what I can see, Russia still doesn't even want to take all of Ukraine. I've been looking at the front lines for the past month or so and they haven' been taking that much more land, other than Kursk, which was Russian to begin with. Now, some could say that this is because Ukraine's military is holding them back, and I certainly think there's some merit to this, but I also think that Ukraine's rapid loss of territory in Kursk suggests something else- Russia doesn't actually feel the need for much more land at this point. There is another issue too, ofcourse, which is that it's hard to move front lines in the winter and early spring. So perhaps there'll be a bit more movement in the coming months. If Ukraine would just acknowledge that it's lost the land Russia now holds and to be fairly neutral, the war could probably end in a week or 2, but Ukraine doesn't appear ready for this at all. I've predicted that the war will end this year in one way or another, but there's still a lot of months to go before then and Ukraine stands to lose a lot more soldiers by then as well.

[xul]

On 3/12/2025 at 8:13 PM, August1991 said:

By ship?

I have to admit that I underestimated Putin in that post.

Putin is a true stable genius, for the invention of the term Energy Infrastructure Ceasefire.😜

He must have some degree of true respect to Trump, by not dictating a landmine ceasefire, which would be a big headache to Ukrainian army to dig out all of them in the path of Russian military advance.😂😢

Putin agrees to 30-day energy infrastructure ceasefire in call with Trump

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Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed on Tuesday to a proposal by U.S. President Donald Trump that Russia and Ukraine cease attacking each other's energy infrastructure for 30 days, the Kremlin said following a lengthy phone discussion between the leaders.

 

Edited March 18 by xul

[Iceni warrior]

Putin making unacceptable demands.

No further foreign military aid to Ukraine.

An end to military intelligence being given to Ukraine.

Not looking likely that a full ceasefire will come any time soon.

No threats of additional sanctions on Russia from Agent Orange. Not even tariffs.

[-TSS-]

Why does Trump get so involved in this anyway? He has little to gain but a lot to lose. There's always the chance of international humiliation but even if he brokers a peace which makes him look good it is so what to most Americans the majority of whom don't care about Ukraine or even find it on a map. 

Most Americans don't care about the Middle-East either but the people who finance American politicians care very much about the Middle-East so the politicians must care too.

However, most Americans care more about the economy, the fuel prices and taxes instead of some obscure country on the other side of the world.

Btw, do you Canadians also call petrol as gas like Americans do? How do you differentiate between petrol and gas if you call both as gas? 

[Scott75]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

Why does Trump get so involved in this anyway? He has little to gain but a lot to lose. There's always the chance of international humiliation but even if he brokers a peace which makes him look good it is so what to most Americans the majority of whom don't care about Ukraine or even find it on a map. 

They may not be able to find it on a map, but apparently most of them support financing Ukraine's war with Russia, at least as of February 2025:

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/14/americans-views-of-the-war-in-ukraine-continue-to-differ-by-party/

That being said, support differs widely by party:

Source:

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/02/14/americans-views-of-the-war-in-ukraine-continue-to-differ-by-party/sr_25-02-14_ukraine-views_1/

Seeing as how Republicans control the House, the Senate and the Presidency, Trump has little to lose by trying to end the war sooner rather than later and thus end or at least greatly diminish the United States' support for Ukraine. 

[August1991]

On 3/12/2025 at 8:29 PM, Iceni warrior said:

You're obsessed.

Are you in the closet?

This thread is about the ceasefire in Ukraine, gay or trans rights have FA to do with it.

Disagree,

The Biden Administration wanted to remove Putin.

[August1991]

All things considered, in these 2020s, we are facing a world like the 1910s - not the 1930s.

Let's avoid another Summer 1914. It will not be a short war.

 

 

 

[-TSS-]

People are prisoners of their own geography and therefore act accordingly without realising that not everybody else shares the same geography.'

What I mean by this is that we in Europe and especially here next to Russia where the war in Ukraine is of utmost interest it is not so everywhere else.

Unlike we seem to think here, the world does not revolve around Putin. He is not some genius master-mind who is plotting behind the scenes and manipulating the world affairs.

I recently talked to a friend who has moved to Argentina and he said that in Argentina nobody talks about Ukraine, Russia or Putin. 

[Scott75]

12 hours ago, -TSS- said:

People are prisoners of their own geography and therefore act accordingly without realising that not everybody else shares the same geography.'

What I mean by this is that we in Europe and especially here next to Russia where the war in Ukraine is of utmost interest it is not so everywhere else.

Unlike we seem to think here, the world does not revolve around Putin. He is not some genius master-mind who is plotting behind the scenes and manipulating the world affairs.

I recently talked to a friend who has moved to Argentina and he said that in Argentina nobody talks about Ukraine, Russia or Putin. 

Ukraine is a big deal not because of Ukraine, but because of the proxy war between the U.S. and Russia. I suspect many non European countries don't talk about Ukraine, Russia or Putin because they're more concerned about what Trump is doing closer to home, but I also suspect it's because Trump is doing the right thing there, which is -de- escalating things between Russia and the U.S., rather than escalating things. 

Edited March 25 by Scott75

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Ukraine is a big deal not because of Ukraine, but because of the proxy war between the U.S. and Russia. I suspect many non European countries don't talk about Ukraine, Russia or Putin because they're more concerned about what Trump is doing closer to home, but I also suspect it's because Trump is doing the right thing there, which is -de- escalating things between Russia and the U.S., rather than escalating things. 

I suspect more people are also beginning to wonder what a Russo-American alliance might look like. Dark and desperate for anyone who falls under its domination for the most part.

20 hours ago, -TSS- said:

What I mean by this is that we in Europe and especially here next to Russia where the war in Ukraine is of utmost interest it is not so everywhere else.

I know what you mean. I can look out my window on a clear day and see a similarly inclined rogue eyeing us up.

[Scott75]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

15 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Ukraine is a big deal not because of Ukraine, but because of the proxy war between the U.S. and Russia. I suspect many non European countries don't talk about Ukraine, Russia or Putin because they're more concerned about what Trump is doing closer to home, but I also suspect it's because Trump is doing the right thing there, which is -de- escalating things between Russia and the U.S., rather than escalating things. 

I suspect more people are also beginning to wonder what a Russo-American alliance might look like. Dark and desperate for anyone who falls under its domination for the most part.

The United States has certainly done a lot of dominating, but Russia is another matter. Generally speaking, they tend to stick close to home. As to the idea of a Russo-American Alliance, I doubt that'll be happening any time soon. Right now, the U.S. is still financing the war in Ukraine to "weaken" Russia. All I'm hoping for at this point is that this ends.