Charting the Danger of the Modern Left

[Deluge]

This article was written about 7 years ago, but it still very much applies to today. 

A key point to remember here is that these cultists believe that "science and reason should replace religion as the foundation of a modern society." of course, this is a stupid idea and has no place in a Christian nation like the US, but there are still a lot of people (marxist heathens) who believe this. 

We've been given one more chance to fight these satanists, so we can't blow it. 

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/charting-the-danger-the-modern-left

[Scott75]

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

This article was written about 7 years ago, but it still very much applies to today. 

A key point to remember here is that these cultists believe that "science and reason should replace religion as the foundation of a modern society." of course, this is a stupid idea and has no place in a Christian nation like the US, but there are still a lot of people (marxist heathens) who believe this. 

We've been given one more chance to fight these satanists, so we can't blow it. 

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/charting-the-danger-the-modern-left

I don't really see the issue being one of left vs. right, but rather those who favour authoritarian leadership over those who favour a more discourse based one. 

[Deluge]

4 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

I don't really see the issue being one of left vs. right, but rather those who favour authoritarian leadership over those who favour a more discourse based one. 

Discourse is great if both sides adhere to it, but the Left isn't interested in discourse (free speech) - they're interested in compliance. Compliance first, then they will talk about discourse (free speech), but it will go something like this: "free speech is fine as long as we approve of it". 

Edited March 5 by Deluge

[Deluge]

Though many of us understand what leftists stand for, it's still good to highlight the different names of pretty much the same thing. 

“[The left] emerged in the eighteenth century during the so-called Enlightenment period, and was based on the belief that science and reason should replace religion as the foundation of a modern society. The purveyors of this new ideology had trouble agreeing on details of this new belief system, and this resulted in the wide proliferation of leftist prototypes, among the best-known of which are communism, socialism, Marxism, fascism, and, in the United States, progressivism and liberalism."

Now, the interesting thing is that most leftoids disagree that they are satanic heathens - that their belief system causes more destruction than it does anything else. I wonder why that is? 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

This article was written about 7 years ago, but it still very much applies to today. 

A key point to remember here is that these cultists believe that "science and reason should replace religion as the foundation of a modern society." of course, this is a stupid idea and has no place in a Christian nation like the US, but there are still a lot of people (marxist heathens) who believe this. 

We've been given one more chance to fight these satanists, so we can't blow it. 

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/charting-the-danger-the-modern-left

Here's the thing bud. You can build our nation on science and reason. That's not actually as crazy as you're making out.

The problem comes when the democrats choose science and reason when they like it and it suits their emotional or ideological position but they abandon it when it does not..

And it's that hypocrisy that causes their model to fail utterly.

Society needs a structure. Society needs a common set of agreed upon beliefs and standards that we can all point to in adhere to and believe in. Religion is without a doubt one of the more easily adapted models for that, but there are other models that work as long as the structure is strong and well-defined.

The problem is they like to redefine what science is every 5 minutes as it suits their needs. And I promise you if they were religious they would do it with religion too.

[Deluge]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Here's the thing bud. You can build our nation on science and reason. That's not actually as crazy as you're making out.

The problem comes when the democrats choose science and reason when they like it and it suits their emotional or ideological position but they abandon it when it does not..

And it's that hypocrisy that causes their model to fail utterly.

Society needs a structure. Society needs a common set of agreed upon beliefs and standards that we can all point to in adhere to and believe in. Religion is without a doubt one of the more easily adapted models for that, but there are other models that work as long as the structure is strong and well-defined.

The problem is they like to redefine what science is every 5 minutes as it suits their needs. And I promise you if they were religious they would do it with religion too.

Both should coexist. You can be a Christian and still support science and reason. I love the sciences, and I don't think Jesus is coming next week. God is the greatest scientist, so why push back against science and reason? He created it! 

And I agree. The Left really isn't about anything other than the destruction of the West, which is why real citizens will eventually have no choice but to forcibly protect the country. 

[CouchPotato]

I think the major issue with the left is they seem to view anything which society considers to be the norm as some oppressive social construct to be torn down. And more recently, it's not just things they view as social constructs which are to blame. Reality itself is oppressive. The body you are born in is oppressive. The fact that men and women are fundamentally different is oppressive. They also believe that because they call themselves progressive that their ideas are always representative of progress.

Another danger I see which affects both sides of the spectrum is that intense polarization in the past 15 years or so has almost made politics like sports. Because we despise the other side so much, there is a tendency to cheer-lead our sides on. There is not much self-criticism. We have a political climate where it's become difficult to do so. To admit error nowadays is like apologizing to someone who wants to sue you. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't really. I suppose it's always been like this, but I think it's worse now. It sets people up on both sides to be duped by their leaders.

Edited March 6 by CouchPotato

[Radiorum]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

This article was written about 7 years ago, but it still very much applies to today. 

A key point to remember here is that these cultists believe that "science and reason should replace religion as the foundation of a modern society." of course, this is a stupid idea and has no place in a Christian nation like the US, but there are still a lot of people (marxist heathens) who believe this. 

We've been given one more chance to fight these satanists, so we can't blow it. 

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/charting-the-danger-the-modern-left

 

Well, if they really wanted to be Christian they would love their enemies and not put out warrior-like tracts with titles like "Know Thine Enemy: A History of the Left."

For Jesus said:

"For I tell you, love your enemies"

Matthew 5:44

 

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

For Jesus said:

"For I tell you, love your enemies"

Matthew 5:44

the left brought themselves down by adhering to godless atheist Cultural Marxist false idolatry ;

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”  ~ Romans 12:19

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Both should coexist. You can be a Christian and still support science and reason. I love the sciences, and I don't think Jesus is coming next week. God is the greatest scientist, so why push back against science and reason? He created it! 

 

Oh absolutely. In fact it's arguably true that the best models would include a healthy splash of both religious moral codes and logic/reason based policy. 

The key is that it remains constant and ubiquitous. We ALL need to agree freedom of speech is essential. That's less of a religious value and more of a rational value. We ALL need to agree that murder is wrong. That's a little more religious. etc etc. 

The democrats don't want there to be those rules. Their problem is that they want to reinterpret the rules on the fly as needed and apply the rules inconsistently.  Murdering blacks and indigenous is wrong, babies and health care execs is to be applauded. 

And that simply is no foundation at all

 

[Radiorum]

11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”  ~ Romans 12:19

Yeah, exactly! leave it up to God. But while you are one earth, love your neighbours!

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, Deluge said:

This article was written about 7 years ago, but it still very much applies to today. 

A key point to remember here is that these cultists believe that "science and reason should replace religion as the foundation of a modern society." of course, this is a stupid idea and has no place in a Christian nation like the US, but there are still a lot of people (marxist heathens) who believe this. 

We've been given one more chance to fight these satanists, so we can't blow it. 

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/charting-the-danger-the-modern-left

America is NOT and NEVER was "a Christian nation," DLUGINAL lDIOT.

Most of the founders were Deists NOT Christians.

That is why the Constitution has several sectarian PROHIBITIONS.   Duh

Of course, the economic SUCCESS of America comes from science and reason while anachronistic religion is just a "feel good"  DRAG ON PROGRESS.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Yeah, exactly! leave it up to God. But while you are one earth, love your neighbours!

preaching to the god fearing choir,

the Nazarene is the sinner's friend,

but I don't take Him for granted,

as a mere pilgrim on the road to Calvary,

nec aspera terrent : no fears on earth

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

I think the major issue with the left is they seem to view anything which society considers to be the norm as some oppressive social construct to be torn down. And more recently, it's not just things they view as social constructs which are to blame. Reality itself is oppressive. The body you are born in is oppressive. The fact that men and women are fundamentally different is oppressive. They also believe that because they call themselves progressive that their ideas are always representative of progress.

Another danger I see which affects both sides of the spectrum is that intense polarization in the past 15 years or so has almost made politics like sports. Because we despise the other side so much, there is a tendency to cheer-lead our sides on. There is not much self-criticism. We have a politically climate where it's become difficult to do so. To admit error nowadays is like apologizing to someone who wants to sue you. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't really. I suppose it's always been like this, but I think it's worse now. It sets people up on both sides to be duped by their leaders.

Only the MAGA CULT is "duped by their leaders." In reality they are following incompetents and lDIOTS.

Just look at the complete lack of experience that makes up Trump's cabinet because he puts absolute loyalty above expertise. Who believes that a gig on FOS LIES pushing BULLSHIT qualifies anyone to run the DoD?

[Radiorum]

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

"science and reason should replace religion as the foundation of a modern society."

Yeah, I prefer rationality over superstition any day.

 

How many deaths have been religiously motivated? Hundreds of millions. Here’s the death tolls:

·         The Crusades: 6,000,000

·         Thirty Years War: 11,500,000

·         French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000

·         Execution of people (mostly women) condemned as witches: between 200,00 and 500,000

·         Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000

·         Lebanese Civil War: 250,000

·         Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000

·         Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000

·         Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000

·         Rwandan Genocide: 800,000

·         Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000

·         Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000

·         Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000

·         First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000

·         Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000

·         The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000

·         Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000

·         Iraq War: 500,000

·         US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000

·         Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000

·         Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000

·         AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000

·         Spanish Inquisition: 5,000

 

How many lives has science saved? Literally billions!

Hundreds of millions of people by vaccines, and then more by antibiotics, antimalarial drugs, blood transfusions, synthetic fertilizers, improved sanitation (e.g. toilets, water chlorination, pasteurization), cancer treatments, diabetes treatments, stroke treatments… and even by satellites that forecast natural disasters!   

[User]

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

Yeah, I prefer rationality over superstition any day.

LOL, as you accuse Trump of being a Russian agent from the 1980's... 

 

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Yeah, I prefer rationality over superstition any day.

 

How many deaths have been religiously motivated? Hundreds of millions. Here’s the death tolls:

·         The Crusades: 6,000,000

·         Thirty Years War: 11,500,000

·         French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000

·         Execution of people (mostly women) condemned as witches: between 200,00 and 500,000

·         Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000

·         Lebanese Civil War: 250,000

·         Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000

·         Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000

·         Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000

·         Rwandan Genocide: 800,000

·         Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000

·         Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000

·         Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000

·         First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000

·         Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000

·         The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000

·         Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000

·         Iraq War: 500,000

·         US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000

·         Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000

·         Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000

·         AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000

·         Spanish Inquisition: 5,000

 

How many lives has science saved? Literally billions!

Hundreds of millions of people by vaccines, and then more by antibiotics, antimalarial drugs, blood transfusions, synthetic fertilizers, improved sanitation (e.g. toilets, water chlorination, pasteurization), cancer treatments, diabetes treatments, stroke treatments… and even by satellites that forecast natural disasters!   

You forgot nuclear physics

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Hundreds of millions. Here’s the death tolls:

Nevermind you are stretching quite a few things on that list... now review all the deaths from secular humanistic followings like Communism and the hundreds of millions it killed, Pol Pot, Stalen, Mao... and that is just the last couple of hundred years. 

 

[CouchPotato]

54 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

 

Well, if they really wanted to be Christian they would love their enemies and not put out warrior-like tracts with titles like "Know Thine Enemy: A History of the Left."

For Jesus said:

"For I tell you, love your enemies"

Matthew 5:44

 

You are making a logical fallacy here. Jesus is not denying the existence of an enemy. He simply says to love them. You can oppose someone and love them. This a pretty much the standard plot line that plays out between parents and their teenage children. The tract is not entitled Hate Thine Enemy, right?

Edited March 5 by CouchPotato

[Radiorum]

4 minutes ago, User said:

secular humanistic followings like Communism and the hundreds of millions it killed, Pol Pot, Stalen, Mao... and that is just the last couple of hundred years. 

That's got nothing to do with science 

[CouchPotato]

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Only the MAGA CULT is "duped by their leaders." In reality they are following incompetents and lDIOTS.

Increasingly, I think we are both duped.

[Deluge]

56 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

 

Well, if they really wanted to be Christian they would love their enemies and not put out warrior-like tracts with titles like "Know Thine Enemy: A History of the Left."

For Jesus said:

"For I tell you, love your enemies"

Matthew 5:44

 

Jesus said to love your enemies, not surrender your entire nation to them.

We show our love by protecting the nation from them and protecting them from themselves. 

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, Legato said:

You forgot nuclear physics

 

You forgot Pearl Harbor.

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Increasingly, I think we are both duped.

You have to believe unproven things to be duped. Way too many MAGA CULT consistently post things here with ZERO EVIDENCE let alone proof.

[CouchPotato]

10 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You have to believe unproven things to be duped. Way too many MAGA CULT consistently post things here with ZERO EVIDENCE let alone proof.

So do the leftists, but you ignore that. We ignore what suits us. Nothing was better at increasing the membership numbers of the MAGA CULT than the Democrat party itself.

I could never imagine you chit chatting and joking with "literally Hitler".

 

Edited March 5 by CouchPotato