Dougie93 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 Just now, Hodad said: Ukrainians wanted to be free. They rejected Putin's proxy. So other democratic people cheer for such change? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean they caused it. I simply said it was not a democratic process which freed the Ukrainians I never said there was anything wrong with that it was not a democratic process which freed America from the British Crown neither 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: the actual term which Robert McNamara coined was Mutual Vulnerability the problem is, it only works if both sides rid themselves of all tactical nuclear weapons tactical meaning ; to fight strategic nuclear weapons are designed to never be used, simply to maintain Mutual Vulnerability if however both sides maintain arsenals of tactical nuclear weapons, which they do that opens the way for a theatre thermonuclear war below the strategic level so while it remains extremely unlikely that there would be an interpolar exchange of ICBMs the real threat is that tactical nuclear weapons would be used in theatre, particularly against proxies and then that spirals out of control into a global conflagration an example would be Poland entering the war on the side of Ukraine, tipping the balance then the Russians employ tactical nuclear weapons against Poland the result is World War Three perhaps, but not by all sides launching their ICBMs at once No one alive (besides you) uses Mutual Vulnerability. It's always been MAD Quote
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, suds said: I agree. This was a meeting that should have best been held behind closed doors and not televised because it puts Zelenski in an extremely awkward situation. Some may argue that sometimes the truth hurts but why publicly rip the guy to shreds? I'm not saying that Trump or J.D. are wrong in their assertions only I don't like the way they did it. Trump AND Vance are WRONG to side with Putin against Ukraine. Esp after Putin's Russia RENEGED on the Budapest Memorandum. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: You don't know what you're talking about. No one is asking the MAGAT base to fight Russia. Ukraine had BIPARTISAN support until Trump came along. NYT is right that Trump is siding with Russia. It's been obvious for YEARS. MAGA Republicans prefer to side with Russia Russia is ultra right wing & Orthodox Christian while Ukraine is a proxy for the lunatic leftist Woke Progressive Marxist Democrats too bad so sad that the Ukraine bet on the wrong horse Quote
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: the Bushie Neocon who fervently supported the Iraq War he's been totally discredited in America as a result No, you're talking about GWB when he JOKED about NOT FINDING WMD. That wasn't at all funny, it was a tragedy. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: No one alive (besides you) uses Mutual Vulnerability. It's always been MAD because most people get their information from the media which is whom invented the term MAD because the media wanted to invoke hysteria about nuclear deterrence and "MAD!" was scarier Quote
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: So let the chicken hawk democrats squak about needing more war. Trump is talking about ending it. NO ONE is asking US Soldiers to fight in Ukraine. Duh Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 minute ago, robosmith said: No, you're talking about GWB when he JOKED about NOT FINDING WMD. That wasn't at all funny, it was a tragedy. no, David Frum was a W Bushie speech writer whom vehemently advocated for the Iraq War Quote
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: as if you leftists are not a cult this is simply fighting fire with fire hang from your own rope, lefties Democrats are NOT A CULT like YOU MAGA. Democrats threw Biden under the bus, which is NEVER done to the MAGA or ANY CULT leader. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 Just now, robosmith said: Democrats are NOT A CULT like YOU MAGA. yes you are and now you are going to burn in a fire of your own making, Woke Progressive Marxist lunatics 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 59 minutes ago, Nationalist said: LOL...Gawd you're a limp little freak. ^BANKRUPT as USUAL. LMAO Quote
eyeball Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: Ukraine had BIPARTISAN support until Trump came along. NYT is right that Trump is siding with Russia. It's been obvious for YEARS. They're playing a game of Risk. I expect we'll soon be treated to some sort of galvanizing event that triggers a flurry of annexations. I'm sure I heard some wag say Americans voted to change the world too. Promise kept I guess. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 52 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the parties aligned on the Domino Theory being wrong, so bury the hatchet with China, Detente with Moscow, while abandoning South Vietnam apparently the Democrats have reverted back to the Red Scare 1950s since then Putin has done everything he could to justify being scared. Duh Quote
Deluge Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 (edited) 28 minutes ago, eyeball said: Then why doesn't Trump take out that animosity against the a$$holes directly? How does throwing gasoline on a wildfire burning in Europe help you as an American? Because it's America first. He doesn't have time to stoop to their level. Maybe down the road he'll find a way to have them defanged, or even imprisoned. It doesn't. I wish he'd drop all of it and focus solely on the US - the country needs it. Edited February 28 by Deluge 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 53 minutes ago, Hodad said: There's no spin. What I described is exactly what happened. A democratic country asked the international community for aid as they fell under the attack of a acquisitive dictator. And the democratic world responded. Nobody asked Ukraine to fight a war. They could have --and can still -- quit any time they've decided it's not worth it. But a people who have living memory of what it's like to live under an oppressive regime don't take freedom for granted in the way that's now very trendy in conservative circles. The Republicans haven't suddenly become pacifists holding every life dear. They simply aren't invested in democracy anymore. They are more and more clearly invested in FASCISM. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 minute ago, robosmith said: Putin has done everything he could to justify being scared. Duh Domino Theory 2.0 Exhibit A Quote
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 47 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the regime in Ukraine was not founded by democracy there was a CIA backed violent revolutionary overthrow of the elected government in Kiev the Maidan Revolution of February 2014 Sure there was. The "CIA" made Yanukovych send his Berkut thugs to Maidan to KILL PEACEFUL PROTESTERS, and then FLEE to Moscow. LMAO Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 6 minutes ago, robosmith said: NO ONE is asking US Soldiers to fight in Ukraine. Duh So you think the democrat chicken hawks need troops in Ukraine to profit from it? Ha. Don't be naive. But, yes some democrats, like Chris Coons, wanted troops deployed: Quote The White House said Monday it disagrees with Democratic Senator Chris Coons' assessment that U.S. officials need to discuss the possibility that American troops may eventually be needed in the Russia-Ukraine war. https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-not-sending-troops-ukraine-senator-chris-coons-1698752 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
eyeball Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, suds said: I agree. This was a meeting that should have best been held behind closed doors and not televised because it puts Zelenski in an extremely awkward situation. Some may argue that sometimes the truth hurts but why publicly rip the guy to shreds? I'm not saying that Trump or J.D. are wrong in their assertions only I don't like the way they did it. It's just a good thing Zelenskyy was able to restrain himself from giving Trump a good swift roundhouse upside the head. I'm definitely in the school that says it was a blessing for the world to be treated to this spectacle. At least the Oval Office meeting held by President Donald Trump and Vice President J. D. Vance with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was held in front of the cameras. False friendliness in public by Trump and Vance, followed by behind-the-scenes treachery, would have been much more dangerous to the Ukrainian cause. Instead, Trump and Vance have revealed to Americans and to America’s allies their alignment with Russia, and their animosity toward Ukraine in general and its president in particular. The truth is ugly, but it’s necessary to face it. https://archive.ph/X2oCM Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 37 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I remember watching it in real time I remember saying on another forum at the time, that it was going to incite a war with the Russians bear in mind that I am not opposed to fighting the war against the Russians but to say that the overthrow of the favoured Russian government in Kiev in 2014 was democratic that's just bullshit on the face of it, it was a revolution imposed by force, backed by the CIA not everything the Kremlin says is a lie, otherwise their propaganda would be ineffective it is in fact the Democrats who have lost the propaganda war, because they feel the need to lie You STILL have ^ZERO evidence the CIA was involved. Duh Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, robosmith said: Sure there was. The "CIA" made Yanukovych send his Berkut thugs to Maidan to KILL PEACEFUL PROTESTERS, and then FLEE to Moscow. LMAO not "made", merely provoked Quote
Barquentine Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 3 hours ago, Scott75 said: Quite an interesting showdown. That was a cowardly ambush by two bullies, on their home turf, attacking one man in a weakened position, who also had to fight back in his second language, something Trump certainly couldn't do. Whatever your politics, that was beyond shameful and embarrassing. 2 2 Quote
robosmith Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 31 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: all the Woke Progressive sacred cows will be slaughtered payback is a b!tch Thanks for admitting that you're a TRAITOR to America. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 Just now, robosmith said: You STILL have ^ZERO evidence the CIA was involved. Duh the Obama Administration made no secret of the fact that they were backing the revolution which part of the federal government does that sort of thing ? Just now, robosmith said: Thanks for admitting that you're a TRAITOR to America. America was founded by treason ; Declaration of Independence Preamble Quote
eyeball Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 7 minutes ago, Deluge said: I wish he'd drop all of it and focus solely on the US - the country needs it. Oh don't worry, he's torching that too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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