carepov Posted March 27 Author Report Posted March 27 On 3/26/2025 at 1:37 PM, eyeball said: I've pointed out Israeli Palestinians and that Jews and Arabs even marry and have kids when people insist all Arabs and Palestinians want to do is exterminate Jews. Of course coexistence is possible but to say it's entirely rosy however for Palestinians in Israel is stretching things and probably unsustainable given most are marginalized 2nd class citizens facing; AI Overview Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) experience significant disparities in their standard of living compared to Jewish Israelis, facing systemic discrimination and economic inequality, including higher poverty rates, limited access to resources, and restrictions on movement and basic services Here's a more detailed breakdown: Palestinians in Israel: Economic Inequality: A significant portion of Palestinian-Israeli citizens live below the poverty line, with rates much higher than those of Jewish citizens. Discrimination: Palestinians face discrimination in housing, education, and employment, with limited access to resources and opportunities. Land Confiscation: Israeli authorities have confiscated Palestinian land, further exacerbating economic inequality and restricting access to resources. Housing Shortages: Palestinians in Israel experience housing shortages due to Israeli authorities investing primarily in non-Palestinian neighborhoods, according to Adalah. Education: Poorly funded schools in Palestinian localities contribute to lower levels of education and reduced employment prospects compared to Israeli Jews. Here's the difference: Palestinians in Israel (Arab-Israelis) are comparable to indigenous people in Canada, or blacks in the US, they have full rights, many individuals succeed however as a group they are behind on most metrics. Jews (and most other minorities) in Arab countries get killed. Quote
eyeball Posted March 27 Report Posted March 27 4 minutes ago, carepov said: Here's the difference: Palestinians in Israel (Arab-Israelis) are comparable to indigenous people in Canada, or blacks in the US, they have full rights, many individuals succeed however as a group they are behind on most metrics. As for Palestinians outside Israel they're being treated more like America's First Nations were during the Frontier Wars. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 3 hours ago, eyeball said: As for Palestinians outside Israel they're being treated more like America's First Nations were during the Frontier Wars. They should probably stop trying to kill Israeli people. Quote
eyeball Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 2 hours ago, User said: They should probably stop trying to kill Israeli people. The vast majority being slaughtered by Israelis haven't done anything to them. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted March 28 Report Posted March 28 9 hours ago, eyeball said: The vast majority being slaughtered by Israelis haven't done anything to them. Not exactly true, but either way, urban warfare is hell. When Hamas hides behind people to fight their war the death of their people is on them. Maybe next time the people will do more to oppose their leadership. Quote
carepov Posted March 28 Author Report Posted March 28 This week there were protests in Gaza with some people calling for the end of Hamas's rule. Most media reports like this https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hundreds-palestinians-gaza-protest-against-hamas-after-conflict-resumes-2025-03-26/ and focus on the anti-Hamas aspects. Al-Jazeera has a very different spin: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/28/voices-from-gaza-protests-demand-an-end-to-war-and-suffering Interesting times! Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted May 6 Report Posted May 6 Let’s take an unfiltered look at Palestine’s enemy. The religious fanatics are on both sides of this conflict. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/06/hamas-israel-hunger-war-in-gaza https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/apr/27/the-settlers-review-this-vital-film-forces-louis-theroux-to-do-something-hes-never-done-before Quote
User Posted May 7 Report Posted May 7 7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Let’s take an unfiltered look at Palestine’s enemy. The religious fanatics are on both sides of this conflict. No, no they are not. The "religious fanatics" in Israel would not be hell bent on destroying Gaza if... the rulers of Gaza would surrender and stop fighting this war. Quote
eyeball Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 On 5/6/2025 at 6:44 PM, User said: No, no they are not. The "religious fanatics" in Israel would not be hell bent on destroying Gaza if... the rulers of Gaza would surrender and stop fighting this war. It's one thing for Hamas to surrender but why on Earth would you expect Palestinians to just give up any more than Israelis? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's one thing for Hamas to surrender but why on Earth would you expect Palestinians to just give up any more than Israelis? Give up... what? I expect them to stop all forms of general terrorism they are engaged in as well as the notion that Isreal must be wiped from the map. Quote
eyeball Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 2 hours ago, User said: Give up... what? The same thing Israelis have, their own country. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 24 minutes ago, eyeball said: The same thing Israel has, their own country. You said: "It's one thing for Hamas to surrender but why on Earth would you expect Palestinians to just give up any more than Israelis?" So, now that you have clarified giving up their own country, they never had their own country to give up. I do not expect anything of them in that regard and with Hamas being their duly elected leaders of the Gaza strip and their eventual defeat, they will have to come to terms with occupation until they can prove they can administer their own government again without electing a bunch of war mongering terrorist thugs hell bent on killing Israelis. I wish them the best of luck. Quote
eyeball Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 51 minutes ago, User said: So, now that you have clarified giving up their own country, they never had their own country to give up. Jews never had a country either. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: Jews never had a country either. Israel. It exists right now. Quote
eyeball Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 7 minutes ago, User said: Israel. It exists right now. And so will Palestine one day. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 30 minutes ago, eyeball said: And so will Palestine one day. Not at this rate. I hope the people can give up their hatred for Israel and focus on making their lives better. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 On 2/28/2025 at 9:59 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: I know Hamas are a fanatical death cult. That does not invalidate Palestinian personal rights, like property rights, or the aspiration that all nations have to a state of their own. This is what happens when you support terrorism....you give up those rights....I guess Israelis are not allow to have those either....they live in fear when the next attack is coming, they wonder if their safe rooms built into their homes will hold them back....or will they be killed in some other terrorist attack....Only Palestinians can stoop all of this be denouncing Hamas and other terrorist groups... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
User Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: This is what happens when you support terrorism....you give up those rights....I guess Israelis are not allow to have those either....they live in fear when the next attack is coming, they wonder if their safe rooms built into their homes will hold them back....or will they be killed in some other terrorist attack....Only Palestinians can stoop all of this be denouncing Hamas and other terrorist groups... No kidding. Hamas was elected and their popularity would grow in the past after they launched attacks on Israel and they continued to enjoy a high plurality of support over the years. We are past thinking the Palestinians are OK if we just leave them be to live their lives in peace. Hamas has brainwashed an entire generation of children to hate and despise Israel now. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 2 hours ago, User said: Not at this rate. I hope the people can give up their hatred for Israel and focus on making their lives better. That depends on how Israel behaves. Keep it up and at this rate it'll be generations. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 19 hours ago, eyeball said: That depends on how Israel behaves. Keep it up and at this rate it'll be generations. Judging by Israel's actions in the GAZA strip do you think they are interested in what future generations think of them. No Israelis are fed up of this terrorism that threatens every Israelis citizen everyday, they made their choice to eliminate Hamas and do whatever it takes to do that....And if that means flattening Gaza then thats what they will do...forcing Palestinians to go someplace else....maybe BC... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted May 9 Report Posted May 9 21 minutes ago, Army Guy said: ...And if that means flattening Gaza then thats what they will do...forcing Palestinians to go someplace else....maybe BC... Sure but someone will be back, sooner, later, much later...maybe with a nuke, a virus, an asteroid...Jews came back after 1000's of years...it really is a forever war now. You'd think a people with a sense of historical perspective, a cultural memory and time would have developed a better understanding of human nature. It is what it is. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Sure but someone will be back, sooner, later, much later...maybe with a nuke, a virus, an asteroid...Jews came back after 1000's of years...it really is a forever war now. You'd think a people with a sense of historical perspective, a cultural memory and time would have developed a better understanding of human nature. It is what it is. Then they will die in the attempt....it is really that easy....when you have lived with terrorism for that long you do what it takes to live a somewhat normal life...you should vist gaza and israel some time...see for yourself...don't worry Palestinians love Canadians they make good hostages... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted May 10 Report Posted May 10 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Then they will die in the attempt... I doubt any of us will get out unscathed. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: .when you have lived with terrorism for that long you do what it takes to live a somewhat normal life... Sure, you basically have to become one yourself. That seems to be what normally happens. 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: you should vist gaza and israel some time...see for yourself...don't worry Palestinians love Canadians they make good hostages... I'll pass thanks. I have no intention of going anywhere near the place. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 23 hours ago, eyeball said: I doubt any of us will get out unscathed. Sure, you basically have to become one yourself. That seems to be what normally happens. I'll pass thanks. I have no intention of going anywhere near the place. This is canada terrorist get a free pass....by the left anyways....Conservatives want to ship their a$$ back to where they came from.... Our nation sent us over to places like Afghanistan to give terrorist like the taliban, Al Quadi, and many more a chance to meet Allah face to face more like a travel agent you could say....your tax dollars hard at work... Of course you'll pass it is much easier to be an army critic when you don't have any experience at seeing your heroes in action, and the aftermath they create... one groups cries and wails in the streets and the other dances and sings in the streets....they take turns doing this for centuries... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted May 11 Report Posted May 11 11 hours ago, Army Guy said: Of course you'll pass it is much easier to be an army critic when you don't have any experience at seeing your heroes in action, and the aftermath they create... Seriously? You conservatives have provided enough oxygen and reasons to keep terrorists busy for generations. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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