Videospirit Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Explain how he is wrong about anything he said. He mentions various actions that Christians consider sinful that are legal for Canadians to perform. But than he claims those actions being legal is anti-Christian. It's a completely groundless statement. Christians have been legally sinning for thousands of years. Humans are flawed beings, and sometimes they can't resist temptation. The only one harmed by many sins is their own spirituality though, there's no reason for man to punish sin when man is not harmed. What's important is they do their best to avoid sin and pray for forgiveness and repentance when they fail. God is forgiving. None of the laws he's talking about force anyone to sin. He's completely unhinged. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 (edited) 12 hours ago, Videospirit said: He mentions various actions that Christians consider sinful that are legal for Canadians to perform. But than he claims those actions being legal is anti-Christian. It's a completely groundless statement. Christians have been legally sinning for thousands of years. Humans are flawed beings, and sometimes they can't resist temptation. The only one harmed by many sins is their own spirituality though, there's no reason for man to punish sin when man is not harmed. What's important is they do their best to avoid sin and pray for forgiveness and repentance when they fail. God is forgiving. None of the laws he's talking about force anyone to sin. He's completely unhinged. Just because something is legal doesn’t make it moral. If that were the case, it would be considered morally fine to persecute Christians in Rome or Jews during the Holocaust. What do you think the basis is of our laws? It’s largely Mosaic and Christian, with some Mesopotamian and other antecedents like the Code of Hamerabi. Edited February 20 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
Videospirit Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: Just because something is legal doesn’t make it moral. If that were the case, it would be considered morally fine to persecute Christians in Rome or Jews during the Holocaust. What do you think the basis is of our laws? It’s largely Mosaic and Christian, with some Mesopotamian and other antecedents like the Code of Hamerabi. Is that so? What did what I said have to do with persecuting christians? Quote
blackbird Posted February 20 Author Report Posted February 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, Videospirit said: Is that so? What did what I said have to do with persecuting christians? Doesn't sound like you read the original post or opinion piece. I was talking about all the anti-Christian policies and laws of the Liberal/NDP government. I never focused on individual persecution of Christians although there is some of that going on and enabled by laws and policies. An example is the Ontario Human Rights Council fining the mayor of Emo, Ontario for not flying the pride flag in his little town. That is definitely persecution. Forcing Sexual orientation and gender identity to be taught in public schools is also a kind of persecution as it imposes an ideology on everyone in the schools in general. Also people who disagree with government ideology on DEI policies might not be hired into the Canadian Armed Forces or government jobs. Jordan Peterson was discriminated against for expressing his opinions on podcasts. Punished by the professional association he belonged to. Edited February 20 by blackbird 1 Quote
Videospirit Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 1 minute ago, blackbird said: Doesn't sound like you read the original post or opinion piece. I was talking about all the anti-Christian policies and laws of the Liberal/NDP government. My question is what about the specific laws you were talking about are anti-Christian? Assisted suicide and abortion in particular caught my eye as the first two you talked about. What about these being legal is anti-christian? Quote
blackbird Posted February 20 Author Report Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, Videospirit said: My question is what about the specific laws you were talking about are anti-Christian? Assisted suicide and abortion in particular caught my eye as the first two you talked about. What about these being legal is anti-christian? If you study the Bible you will find that human life begins at conception and God recognizes the pre-born baby as a human being or person. That means killing a pre-born baby is contrary to what the Bible teaches. It is against the ten commandments which say "thou shalt not kill". Human life is sacred. Assisted suicide is also killing another human being and contrary to that commandment. To claim it is someone else being killed and not you does not make it right. Quote
Videospirit Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 58 minutes ago, blackbird said: If you study the Bible you will find that human life begins at conception and God recognizes the pre-born baby as a human being or person. That means killing a pre-born baby is contrary to what the Bible teaches. It is against the ten commandments which say "thou shalt not kill". Human life is sacred. Assisted suicide is also killing another human being and contrary to that commandment. To claim it is someone else being killed and not you does not make it right. Yes, anyone who actually gets an abortion(although I'd argue there are exceptions) or commits suicide is probably sinning. How is it being legal for them to do so anti-christian however? Cheating on your wife is also a sin. Does the conservative party's support for this being legal mean they're anti-christian as well? Quote
TreeBeard Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 On 2/16/2025 at 1:11 PM, blackbird said: We know Europe and Canada have been moving against religious freedom, especially against Biblical Christianity. How are you being prevented from practising your religion? Quote
User Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: How are you being prevented from practising your religion? Well, can't silently pray too close to an abortion clinic in England... with threats made to people whose homes are too close as well, that they better not do anything that can be seen from their own property. Looks like you have some other laws like: -Certain public officials can't wear any religious symbols on the job -COVID restrictions back during the ugly authoritarianism during the pandemic -accreditation programs weaponized against religious institutions, they can't hold their religious views and get that, there was that law school that ran into this issue some years back I am sure I can dredge up more... Quote
TreeBeard Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 (edited) 39 minutes ago, User said: Well, can't silently pray too close to an abortion clinic in England... with threats made to people whose homes are too close as well, that they better not do anything that can be seen from their own property. Looks like you have some other laws like: -Certain public officials can't wear any religious symbols on the job -COVID restrictions back during the ugly authoritarianism during the pandemic -accreditation programs weaponized against religious institutions, they can't hold their religious views and get that, there was that law school that ran into this issue some years back I am sure I can dredge up more... This is Canada. I’m not sure you really are aware of what happens here, judging by your post. No one is restricted from praying. You’re making that up (lying is a sin…. Including hyperbolic exaggerations). COVID restrictions? 😂 You people are too much. Religious symbols include all religions and only to public servants in one province. And it’s likely not constitutional anyway. The law school ignored the Canadian constitution. Law schools can’t ignore the law and be fit to teach law. Also, not having a particular law school has nothing to do with my question. You really stretched to find all that drivel. Edited February 20 by TreeBeard Quote
blackbird Posted February 21 Author Report Posted February 21 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: How are you being prevented from practising your religion? That's not what the O.P. is about. Quote
blackbird Posted February 21 Author Report Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Videospirit said: How is it being legal for them to do so anti-christian however? Any laws that allows something that is against the Bible is obviously anti-Christian. For one thing is falsely portrays Christians as being radicals in society when they are simply supporting a just and righteous society. Quote
Videospirit Posted February 21 Report Posted February 21 (edited) 23 minutes ago, blackbird said: Any laws that allows something that is against the Bible is obviously anti-Christian. For one thing is falsely portrays Christians as being radicals in society when they are simply supporting a just and righteous society. The needs of the flesh are not the same as the needs of the spirit. Laws are made to address the needs of the flesh, religion exists to address the needs of the spirit. When the needs of the flesh and the needs of the spirit disagree there is no contradiction. It is not on the needs of the flesh to prohibit the temptations on the flesh, but on your spirit to resist the temptations of the flesh. You cannot put the desires of the flesh before your god. You have made the law of man more important than the word of god. You are astray. You can not bring salvation to others through the law of man. Edited February 21 by Videospirit Quote
blackbird Posted February 21 Author Report Posted February 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Videospirit said: You have made the law of man more important than the word of god. You are astray. You can not bring salvation to others th rough the law of man. You are terribly mixed up. I don't think you have studied the Bible or learned anything much about Christianity. This has nothing to do with making the law of man more important than the law of God. I don't understand your thinking. Properly applying the law of God (the KJV Bible) means you must oppose laws and things against the Bible. I am not saying you have to go out on the street waving signs or demonstrating against things. But it seems reasonable to only vote for the least evil political party. I hope what I am saying doesn't fall on deaf ears. What exactly do you believe about the Bible? No, I haven't made the law of man more important than the law of God. The fact is Christians must stand for God's word which has certain principles on how laws and society should operate. I don't know if you are a Christian or not. You seem quite confused. You need to get your beliefs straightened out. I would recommend serious study of the Bible and major doctrines first. You can't claim to be a Christian and support things in the laws or society that oppose God's written revelation. It just doesn't make sense. There are certain things that are clearly wrong, things like abortion, MAID, soft-on-crime laws and policies, fornication, etc. Attacks against the traditional family structure by government and the education system are wrong. Edited February 21 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted February 21 Author Report Posted February 21 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: How are you being prevented from practising your religion? I don't think you understand what Biblical Christianity is all about. It is not just about going to a church once a week. There is much more to it than that. I assume you don't believe the Bible. That is tragic. Where are you going to spend eternity? Do you understand what the Bible is all about? You need to find out for your own good. There is a struggle going on in the world between good and evil, between God and the Devil. The world is basically an evil place. Being a Christian means living as Christ would have one live. That means everything in life is affected. One's whole mind must be governed by the Lord through his written revelation. You need to learn what being a Christian means. It also means standing up for what is right. We live in a democracy where everyone has the right to speak for or against what is going on with government and society. Quote
Videospirit Posted February 21 Report Posted February 21 42 minutes ago, blackbird said: You are terribly mixed up. I don't think you have studied the Bible or learned anything much about Christianity. This has nothing to do with making the law of man more important than the law of God. I don't understand your thinking. Properly applying the law of God (the KJV Bible) means you must oppose laws and things against the Bible. I am not saying you have to go out on the street waving signs or demonstrating against things. But it seems reasonable to only vote for the least evil political party. I hope what I am saying doesn't fall on deaf ears. What exactly do you believe about the Bible? No, I haven't made the law of man more important than the law of God. The fact is Christians must stand for God's word which has certain principles on how laws and society should operate. I don't know if you are a Christian or not. You seem quite confused. You need to get your beliefs straightened out. I would recommend serious study of the Bible and major doctrines first. You can't claim to be a Christian and support things in the laws or society that oppose God's written revelation. It just doesn't make sense. There are certain things that are clearly wrong, things like abortion, MAID, soft-on-crime laws and policies, fornication, etc. Attacks against the traditional family structure by government and the education system are wrong. John 8:7 "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." It is not the place of man to judge sin. You have rejected Jesus and do not hold him in your heart. Quote
blackbird Posted February 21 Author Report Posted February 21 19 minutes ago, Videospirit said: It is not the place of man to judge sin. You have rejected Jesus and do not hold him in your heart. You prove over and over you don't know much about what is in the Bible. You say not to judge sin and in the same breath falsely judge me. Isn't that hypocrisy? Sure is. Maybe you could explain how you became a Christian. How were you saved? Quote
blackbird Posted February 21 Author Report Posted February 21 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Videospirit said: you have rejected Jesus and do not hold him in your heart. Nonsense! "“Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.” James 4:11 KJV You still haven't explained whether you are a Christian and if so, how you became one. Edited February 21 by blackbird Quote
Videospirit Posted February 21 Report Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Nonsense! "“Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.” James 4:11 KJV You still haven't explained whether you are a Christian and if so, how you became one. Indeed, I too have sinned by judging you. Lord forgive me. Your sins are for god alone to judge. I became Christian through faith in Jesus Christ, just as all Christians do. Hebrews 13:16 KJV: "But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased." Thus, I focus on doing good and sacrificing, rather than judging others when choosing what political policy's are anti-christian. To help the poor. To help the vulnerable. To help the sinners. These things before all others. Presented with a choice between supporting a political party that's platform is built around judging sinners, and a party whose political platform is built around helping the poor, the vulnerable, helping sinners who seek redemption, the word of god makes the decision easy for me. Quote
TreeBeard Posted February 21 Report Posted February 21 5 hours ago, blackbird said: That's not what the O.P. is about. So you are not in any way prevented from worshipping however you want. Good to know. Sounds like you’re making a big deal out of nothing then, maybe? 4 hours ago, blackbird said: I don't think you understand what Biblical Christianity is all about. It is not just about going to a church once a week. There is much more to it than that. I assume you don't believe the Bible. That is tragic. Where are you going to spend eternity? Do you understand what the Bible is all about? You need to find out for your own good. There is a struggle going on in the world between good and evil, between God and the Devil. The world is basically an evil place. Being a Christian means living as Christ would have one live. That means everything in life is affected. One's whole mind must be governed by the Lord through his written revelation. You need to learn what being a Christian means. It also means standing up for what is right. We live in a democracy where everyone has the right to speak for or against what is going on with government and society. So you’re upset that you can’t force your religion on the rest of us? Quote
blackbird Posted February 21 Author Report Posted February 21 8 hours ago, TreeBeard said: So you are not in any way prevented from worshipping however you want. Good to know. Sounds like you’re making a big deal out of nothing then, maybe? So you’re upset that you can’t force your religion on the rest of us? Nobody is forcing religion on you. God created the universe and created mankind and gave him the freedom of choice or free will. But we should remember that humans belong to Him; He created them. You make the choice about what to believe, but it boils down to you choosing between heaven or hell for eternity. Everyone is given freedom of choice. God doesn't force people to believe. He gave us his revelation, the King James Bible which tells mankind what the problem is. The problem is everyone is a fallen corrupt sinner and deserves eternal damnation. God offers the lifeline, that is, to believe in Jesus Christ who offered himself on the cross and shed his blood to atone for sinners. However this atonement must be received by faith in Jesus Christ in order for the individual to receive forgiveness for his sin. Nobody is forced to believe any religion. It is a fact that countless believers sacrificed their lives to take the gospel to various countries in the world. Many became martyrs and paid with their lives. So the Bible or the Christian message should never be mocked or scoffed at as "forcing religion on somebody". Quote
User Posted February 21 Report Posted February 21 15 hours ago, TreeBeard said: This is Canada. I’m not sure you really are aware of what happens here, judging by your post. No one is restricted from praying. You’re making that up (lying is a sin…. Including hyperbolic exaggerations). I literally said Europe regarding the prayer. Perhaps you should read my comments better before accusing me of lying. As to the rest of your response, all you are doing now is justifying it as "the law" Well, no kidding. You asked for examples for how people were not being allowed to practice their faith, I gave them to you. Now you turn around and say, well, its the law! Quote
User Posted February 21 Report Posted February 21 9 hours ago, TreeBeard said: So you are not in any way prevented from worshipping however you want. Good to know. Sounds like you’re making a big deal out of nothing then, maybe? Yes, yes you are. As you already defended as it being the law, if you want to serve the public you ca't worship by wearing religious symbols. If you want to teach law, you won't get accredited. These are just a couple of examples I picked out. I imagine Canada is far worse than America on other things, like, you probably do force anyone in business, like bakers, to have to bake a wedding cake for a homosexual wedding, deliver it, and likely have to stand there cutting the thing for them too... Quote
blackbird Posted February 21 Author Report Posted February 21 (edited) The current situation with Trump putting tariffs on Canada and calling it the 51st state makes me wonder if this is a sign of coming judgment on Canada because of Canada's continuing national iniquity, decadent behavior and unbelief. Could God be using Trump to pass judgment on Canada? God passed judgment on the world in the past because of it's iniquity. He also judged Israel for its iniquity and rebellion against God. Israel went through many tough times in history including being taken into captivity. Eventually Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman armies and the Jews were dispersed to the rest of the world. Those who are Christians need to remember to pray for Canada and our leaders that we may be spared from harsh judgement. Edited February 21 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted February 21 Author Report Posted February 21 (edited) On 2/19/2025 at 8:33 PM, Videospirit said: None of the laws he's talking about force anyone to sin. He's completely unhinged. I don't think you understand. There are laws and policies by government that are in opposition to God's revelation to man, the Bible. The government is an enabler. It enables the laws of God to be broken. The purpose of government is to maintain law and order. But when we have a government that allows or makes it easy for people to have abortions for instance, your country has a serious problem. I believe there are about 80,000 to 100,000 abortions per year in Canada. This causes great harm to people in many ways. It puts guilt on the people involved for one thing. It deprives many pre-born humans of their lives. Then there is MAID, another way of killing people, now reaching around 16,000 per year in Canada. It is even in the government system to legalize MAID for people with mental problems. It is gradually being relaxed to include more categories of people. We can't forget about the soft-on-crime laws. People released early on parole or bail and go out to commit more crimes and sometimes kill people. This hurts a lot of people as well. Dangerous offenders are constantly being arrested and released very quickly to go out and re-offend again. The abolition of capital punishment for murder even though God's word states there shall be capital punishment for murder. Even serial killers escape it. This also causes endless trauma to families of victims as they must keep going to parole hearings to try to stop the killers from being released. Edited February 21 by blackbird Quote
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