Black Dog Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Nationalist said: This is true. If the Americans want their national finances brought to order, Trump may well be the only guy willing to do the hard work. Destroying the functioning administrative state and handing the remains to his master Elon Musk is easy, running a country afterwards is harder. Of course he won't have to worry about the mess, he'll be dead soon and Elon will find another puppet. Edited February 13 by Black Dog Quote
Nationalist Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Destroying the functioning administrative state and handing the remains to his master Elon Musk is easy, running a country afterwards is harder. Of course he won't have to worry about the mess, he'll be dead soon and Elon will find another puppet. Such assumptions...with no proof. Pup...you're assumptions are based on nothing but your own butt-hurt sorrow over losing the Whitehouse and your insane hatred for Orangemenbad. All completely irrelevant at this point. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Black Dog Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Such assumptions...with no proof. Pup...you're assumptions are based on nothing but your own butt-hurt sorrow over losing the Whitehouse and your insane hatred for Orangemenbad. All completely irrelevant at this point. Look man if I could wave a magic wand to give you a functioning brain and ability to see what's transpiring right in the open here I would but alas. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: Look man if I could wave a magic wand to give you a functioning brain and ability to see what's transpiring right in the open here I would but alas. Your panic and desperation is a source of satisfaction. Thanks. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Barquentine Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: You need to close your hole and take a step back. Well first off, I don't need to do anything you say. And secondly, which one of you Zealots will be first to drink the kool-aid? Quote
Nationalist Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Well first off, I don't need to do anything you say. And secondly, which one of you Zealots will be first to drink the kool-aid? Who the Hell are you quoting here? I didn't post that. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Deluge Posted February 13 Author Report Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: Destroying the functioning administrative state and handing the remains to his master Elon Musk is easy, running a country afterwards is harder. Of course he won't have to worry about the mess, he'll be dead soon and Elon will find another puppet. You mean "destroying the swamp", and that's exactly what Trump is doing. Just sit down, take your meds, and don't be a Debbie Downer - this is supposed to be fun. Quote
Barquentine Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Who the Hell are you quoting here? I didn't post that. Sorry. It was Deluge and you quoted him. I accidentally copied your post instead of his. My apologies. Quote
Deluge Posted February 13 Author Report Posted February 13 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Well first off, I don't need to do anything you say. And secondly, which one of you Zealots will be first to drink the kool-aid? No, we'll talk about USAID instead, since that is germane to this thread. So why are you defending fraud, waste and abuse? Edited February 13 by Deluge Quote
robosmith Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 5 hours ago, Nationalist said: Stooopiiid Yes you are Stooopiiid Quote
robosmith Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: This is true. If the Americans want their national finances brought to order, Trump may well be the only guy willing to do the hard work. Musk and Trump are LYING and as USUAL you're dumb enough to believe them. Musk makes a lot of CLAIMS but has NO EVIDENCE. 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Such assumptions...with no proof. Pup...you're assumptions are based on nothing but your own butt-hurt sorrow over losing the Whitehouse and your insane hatred for Orangemenbad. All completely irrelevant at this point. You never demand any proof to believe Musk CLAIMS with NO EVIDENCE. Duh Quote
Nationalist Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 42 minutes ago, robosmith said: Musk and Trump are LYING and as USUAL you're dumb enough to believe them. Musk makes a lot of CLAIMS but has NO EVIDENCE. You never demand any proof to believe Musk CLAIMS with NO EVIDENCE. Duh What claims, Tweenkle-toes? What the Hell are you babbling about? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What claims, Tweenkle-toes? What the Hell are you babbling about? I'm talking about YOUR IGNORANCE wrt Musk CLAIMS. Did you completely MISS the President Musk press conference? LMAO Quote
Nationalist Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, robosmith said: I'm talking about YOUR IGNORANCE wrt Musk CLAIMS. Did you completely MISS the President Musk press conference? LMAO what claims? spell them out. what do you have a problem with? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 18 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What claims, Tweenkle-toes? What the Hell are you babbling about? You're the one babbling about your IGNORANCE. From FB: Quote Joel Emery oSrspoedntau07a:90tmiy A8il arFthh82617808 5e58t bM81trc032h · The USAID “Scandal” and the Playbook of Manufactured Outrage The dismantling of USAID isn’t about fraud. It’s not about waste. And it’s certainly not about making government more efficient. Instead, it’s a test case for a new era of governance—one where facts are optional, reality is shaped by cherry-picked narratives, and faith in a leader replaces independent sources of truth. Rather than conducting an actual audit, Musk and Trump have used a familiar tactic—manufacture a scandal, flood the space with selective outrage, and use it to justify dismantling an agency they already wanted gone. It’s an attack on facts themselves—and if it works here, it will be repeated elsewhere. --- Misinformation doesn’t have to be an outright lie to be effective. The most powerful form of disinformation is cherry-picking—taking a real event or number, stripping it of context, and reframing it for maximum outrage. Take a look at a few of the White House’s official justifications for gutting USAID: Claim: “USAID spent $6 million on tourism in Egypt.” Reality: This funding was for education and economic development in North Sinai, not tourism. The grant was announced in 2019 during Trump’s first administration. Stripping away the date and purpose makes it sound like a recent, frivolous expenditure rather than part of an established economic aid initiative. Claim: “USAID spent $1.5 million to promote workplace diversity in Serbia.” Reality: This was part of a broader economic initiative to increase job opportunities in Serbia—where workplace discrimination limits economic participation. The program focused on helping businesses grow by improving inclusivity—but was reframed as an ideological “waste” rather than an economic development effort. Claim: “USAID spent $47,000 on a transgender opera in Colombia.” Reality: This was not a USAID grant at all—it was issued by the State Department, not USAID. The grant supported an arts program aimed at increasing representation in Colombia’s opera scene. By misattributing the funding to USAID and framing it solely as a “transgender opera”, the claim was designed to provoke cultural outrage rather than discuss arts funding in global diplomacy. Could an actual audit be conducted on how these funds were used? Absolutely. In a functioning government, there should always be room for debate over whether certain initiatives are priorities or whether they are effective. But that is not what is happening here. Instead of evaluating whether these programs delivered results or whether better alternatives exist, these numbers were stripped of context and framed for maximum outrage—not to improve policy, but to justify dismantling an agency outright. A real debate would analyze impact and effectiveness, not manipulate selective facts to push a predetermined conclusion. The biggest red flag? If USAID were truly corrupt, they would be showing full financial audits, not vague accusations. --- If the goal were actually to root out inefficiencies, a proper USAID audit wouldn’t be done in a day or two based on cherry-picked spending line items. Audits—even for small organizations—are lengthy, comprehensive, and detail both strengths and weaknesses. A real audit would: Be conducted by independent agencies (GAO, OIG, CBO), qualified and experienced leaders, or objective, appointed and vettyed contracted individuals or organizations. Use full financial forensic analysis, not cherry-picked line items. Compare USAID to other government expenditures for context. Provide publicly available, transparent findings. Recommend measured reforms, not mass firings. Real audits include: Positives and negatives—not just failures. Strengths and weaknesses—where the agency is effective and where it isn’t. Successes and failures—not just the failures someone wants to highlight. Annotated findings with full transparency—each claim links back to data. This takes months, not days—because an audit can’t be done by just extracting data, running it through an algorithm (AI or otherwise), and issuing selective pronouncements. Instead, Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) simply declared USAID “beyond repair” and started shutting it down—no audit needed. This isn’t about USAID—it’s about eliminating institutions. And if they can do this to USAID, they can do it to the CDC, NOAA, or any other agency that provides inconvenient facts. --- The attack on USAID is just the beginning. If this strategy works, other congrssionally created and funded agencies that provide oversight, enforce regulations, or provide objective information will be next. The same manufactured outrage playbook will be applied to: The CFPB (Consumer Financial Protection Bureau) – Criticized for interfering in free markets and overregulating financial institutions. The SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) – Framed as an obstacle to economic growth by restricting corporate and investment practices. The IRS – Cast as a weaponized agency persecuting political enemies. The Pentagon – Attacked over spending inefficiencies and social policies. The Federal Reserve – Accused of economic manipulation and globalist control. The DOJ & FBI – Portrayed as corrupt institutions waging partisan investigations. The Department of Education – Framed as a wasteful bureaucracy pushing ideological agendas. The EPA – Blamed for stifling business growth through overregulation. Each will be misrepresented and undermined not through comprehensive audits and evidence-based reform, but through cherry-picked data, selective outrage, and preordained conclusions that justify dismantling their authority. The irony? Real audits of these agencies would be fantastic. If the goal were truly efficiency, effectiveness, and responsible governance, independent reviews would be welcomed. A thorough, transparent audit of USAID, the CFPB, the SEC, the IRS, or the Pentagon would provide critical insights for better decision-making. But that’s not what’s happening. Instead of pursuing genuine oversight and accountability, the administration is manufacturing outrage and using it as a justification to dismantle institutions outright—not to fix them, but to eliminate their independence. --- The final step in this process isn’t just about cutting waste—it’s about removing any part of the government that isn’t directly controlled by the executive branch. No independent oversight. No neutral agencies providing inconvenient data. No checks on power. This isn’t about USAID—it’s about whether any institution will be allowed to exist outside the direct control of a single leader. The next time an agency or institution is suddenly declared “too corrupt to fix,” ask yourself: Where’s the full audit? Why is the data missing? Who benefits from removing this institution? When facts disappear, power takes their place. That’s what’s happening here. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 USAID has been "frozen". Trump is well within his presidential rights to freeze is and to let employees go. One by one, the agencies draining US tax dollars are being scrubbed clean of swamp material. Will there be a USAID in the aftermath? Who knows. But one thing's for sure. Americans won't be paying to teach South American men how to properly apply eye shadow anymore. Next stop...The Department of Education. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Deluge Posted February 13 Author Report Posted February 13 39 minutes ago, robosmith said: You're the one babbling about your IGNORANCE. From FB: robowoke can't see the forest for the trees. He doesn't understand that ALL government agencies are on the chopping block. If it was, in fact under the state department then that's OK too, because there were plenty of woketards there, too. Dumbf*cks don't understand that eliminating DEI is the primary purpose, not eliminating USAID, itself. Quote
Legato Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 56 minutes ago, robosmith said: You're the one babbling about your IGNORANCE. From FB: Quote
Black Dog Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 38 minutes ago, Nationalist said: USAID has been "frozen". Trump is well within his presidential rights to freeze is and to let employees go. Nope. USAID is an independent agency established by Congress and only Congress can halt disbursements or fire its staff. Honestly the fact that incredibly stupid people like you are cheering this stuff on is by far the biggest red flag that it's a bad idea. Quote
robosmith Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 34 minutes ago, Legato said: Federal courts have ruled otherwise, TROLL with no name. Quote
Black Dog Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 38 minutes ago, Legato said: I'm sure that's bullshit but even if it was true the conclusion that there's nothing anyone can do about this is incorrect. Everyone involved, every lawyer, HR rep, investigator, racist Zoomer programmer with a broccoli haircut have names and addresses and skeletons in their closets. Quote
Legato Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 12 minutes ago, robosmith said: Federal courts have ruled otherwise, TROLL with no name. Whether one admires or distrusts Elon Musk’s disruptive style, his appointment to review government expenditures and advise about them is clearly within U.S. law—and it reflects the vision that voters supported when they elected Trump president again. https://www.city-journal.org/article/elon-musk-doge-legal-democracy Quote
Nationalist Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 49 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Nope. USAID is an independent agency established by Congress and only Congress can halt disbursements or fire its staff. Honestly the fact that incredibly stupid people like you are cheering this stuff on is by far the biggest red flag that it's a bad idea. Only Congress eh? I guess we'll see. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Black Dog Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 37 minutes ago, Legato said: Whether one admires or distrusts Elon Musk’s disruptive style, his appointment to review government expenditures and advise about them is clearly within U.S. law—and it reflects the vision that voters supported when they elected Trump president again. https://www.city-journal.org/article/elon-musk-doge-legal-democracy my god Quote These innovations evoke a profound aspect of America’s national identity. Frederick Jackson Turner famously argued that the American character was forged on the frontier, where the ethos of unbounded opportunity prevailed. Turner noted that the closure of the physical frontier posed a challenge to America’s self-conception. Musk’s work reopens the frontier—not by looking to a westward land mass, but by gazing outward to the stars and inward to the human mind. The last person to rub Elon Musk's knob like this got offered a horse, I wonder what this guy got. It's funny: he accurately identifies the problems people have with Musk interfering in the government's operations but hurtles past them to get back to his uh handiwork. Quote To be sure, like Dunn, Musk cannot himself cut off funds or shut down programs. The legality of these funds and programs turns on the authority given to the president or other subordinates under organic statutes. That’s where objections, if any, to the administration’s actions should be directed. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 13 Report Posted February 13 Defund the corporate police because Billionaire Looting Matters. https://fortune.com/2025/02/13/elon-musk-doge-cfpb-x-payments-platform/ Quote
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