myata Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 Now, with a bit of a perspective, about a month on can someone try to answer this simple question: the great trans march, drive and struggle: what was it all about? Live: but of course. Let live: you've got it. Personal safety and security, without a question. But the mandatory parades? Schoolbooks? Cause celebre and the next great frontier of progress and liberty? What is it? Is it as simple as clueless and self-absorbed politicians hating to touch real, actual problems like stagnating quality of life for regular folk, the inflation, out of control migration with a long stick creating instead ideological placebos, fake causes and distractions for the society to march to new glorious horizons of free monthly transitions and back again? By the way exactly, mirror-twinning their deeply despised "right-wingers"? Is that it, really? Or do you know another rational reason? Recently I was conversing with an individual in Europe, in a relaxed way over a beer. It appeared to me that she was following some media reporting much abuses and corruption and certainly undermining her trust in the democratic system. But the conversation was meaningful and respectful, I couldn't say she wasn't intelligent or lacking in critical analysis. And she pointed me to the recent instances of woke agendas that neither me nor any rational individual could deny: covid measures; and trans. And now quite obviously and logically the enemies of democracy are using these very real cases of, it wouldn't be wrong to say, overreach and even abuse as pivot points to drive further narratives, like denying climate change, trivializing and rationalizing aggressive wars and the break of the international law and even the assault on democracy with the notion "all politics is corrupt". But why giving them this opportunity? Why driving it to the point where it's obvious to everybody that something is wrong and even then, failing to admit and explain it? What is behind this self-inflicted and engineered destruction of integrity and credibility? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
User Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 Does anyone remember the movie SEVEN with Brad Pitt? They found the serial killers apartment and he had all those crazy hand written journals on a shelf? Yeah... I imagine that is what it is like in myata's home. 1 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 @myata What you call... 7 hours ago, myata said: self-inflicted and engineered destruction of integrity and credibility I call "righting the ship". The governments...all of them in The West...have spent the public they are supposed to serve, into a financial hole so deep that getting out may prove impossible. At the same time, they've choked down our collective throats a level of social destruction that can only be compared to the American Civil War. "Righting the ship" is going to impose some hardship on a few people. But the consequences of not "righting the ship" are devastatingly horrible. You say you're capable of rational conversation and can see the points of contention. May I suggest you do so now? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Black Dog Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 37 minutes ago, Nationalist said: @myata What you call... I call "righting the ship". The governments...all of them in The West...have spent the public they are supposed to serve, into a financial hole so deep that getting out may prove impossible. At the same time, they've choked down our collective throats a level of social destruction that can only be compared to the American Civil War. Ending slavery was woke, I guess. Quote
Deluge Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 6 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Ending slavery was woke, I guess. Ending slavery wasn't woke, but keeping black Americans on the democrat plantation, is. When are you racists going to let the inner city slaves go? Quote
robosmith Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 9 hours ago, myata said: Now, with a bit of a perspective, about a month on can someone try to answer this simple question: the great trans march, drive and struggle: what was it all about? Live: but of course. Let live: you've got it. Personal safety and security, without a question. But the mandatory parades? Schoolbooks? Cause celebre and the next great frontier of progress and liberty? What "mandatory parades"? Seems extremely hyperbolic. You lose credibility when you engage hyperbole. Why shy away from "school books" that reflect REALITY, just because some parents are transphobic? You're not going to stop trans by keeping it a secret and persecuting people for who they are; just create misery and self-loathing. For NOTHING. 9 hours ago, myata said: What is it? It is facing reality and dealing with it in a manner which is fair and just. And outright rejecting those who try to use injustice for political advantage. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 52 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Ending slavery was woke, I guess. Did I say that? No. Maybe you can address the topic instead of flinging sh1t at the walls? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Black Dog Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Did I say that? No. Maybe you can address the topic instead of flinging sh1t at the walls? I was addressing the topic (or at least your bad take), you're just too dumb to get it. Quote
myata Posted February 10 Author Report Posted February 10 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Why shy away from "school books" that reflect REALITY, just because some parents are transphobic? Children do not have full legal rights in the society for a reason: they could not fully understand a) the consequences of their choices and actions and b) the full extent of responsibility for them. It is wrong to prosecute a 12-year old for a crime as an adult. And it is equally wrong to pretend that they could have the maturity, understanding and responsibility of an adult if/when making such choices, often irreversible or with dire physical effects. There's no rational reason to expose children before and/or without fully formed notions/concepts of sexuality to this topic until they formed more or less stable understanding of sexuality that normally happens by late teen age. Professional counseling should be there for those specific individuals who may need it, and that's as far as is reasonable for this theme to be exposed in schools. Everything else, washrooms, colored books, events and parades is pointless, dumb and dangerous including real, tangible risk to individuals who cannot yet grasp full extent of consequences of their choices. Its blind ideological stupidity that fully mirrors that of the right-wing crowd. And it will blow back, reflux and keep hitting the star-eyed crowd on the back of their heads all the way till one of the two happens: they will learn, even painfully, the connection to the objective reality; or the democracy would exit because common folk would prefer a liar who speaks their language to some star-eyed alien spinning unbelievable fairy tales. Now, why is it so hard to understand? Where is the real problem that asks for and requires these moral crusades? 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Nationalist Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 58 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I was addressing the topic (or at least your bad take), you're just too dumb to get it. What does ending slavery have to do with this and...I find I must remind you it was the Republicans who ended slavery in the first place. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 47 minutes ago, myata said: Children do not have full legal rights in the society for a reason: they could not fully understand a) the consequences of their choices and actions and b) the full extent of responsibility for them. It is wrong to prosecute a 12-year old for a crime as an adult. And it is equally wrong to pretend that they could have the maturity, understanding and responsibility of an adult if/when making such choices, often irreversible or with dire physical effects. There's no rational reason to expose children before and/or without fully formed notions/concepts of sexuality to this topic until they formed more or less stable understanding of sexuality that normally happens by late teen age. Professional counseling should be there for those specific individuals who may need it, and that's as far as is reasonable for this theme to be exposed in schools. Everything else, washrooms, colored books, events and parades is pointless, dumb and dangerous including real, tangible risk to individuals who cannot yet grasp full extent of consequences of their choices. Its blind ideological stupidity that fully mirrors that of the right-wing crowd. And it will blow back, reflux and keep hitting the star-eyed crowd on the back of their heads all the way till one of the two happens: they will learn, even painfully, the connection to the objective reality; or the democracy would exit because common folk would prefer a liar who speaks their language to some star-eyed alien spinning unbelievable fairy tales. Now, why is it so hard to understand? Where is the real problem that asks for and requires these moral crusades? CLEARLY the "real problem" is the persecution of those who are different, often to the point of their SUICIDE. Learning TOLERANCE is the ANSWER. Pretending different doesn't exist is lDIOTIC. When a kid asks, that is the time to come clean. 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Did I say that? No. Maybe you can address the topic instead of flinging sh1t at the walls? You compared it the the Civil War. Do you not know that slavery ended with the Civil War? LMAO Quote
Nationalist Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 6 minutes ago, robosmith said: CLEARLY the "real problem" is the persecution of those who are different, often to the point of their SUICIDE. Learning TOLERANCE is the ANSWER. Pretending different doesn't exist is lDIOTIC. When a kid asks, that is the time to come clean. You compared it the the Civil War. Do you not know that slavery ended with the Civil War? LMAO 1. Tolerance is fine. Teaching kids about abnormal sexual kinks is NOT! 2. I compared the current culture war to what must have existed before the civil war Dweebles. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
myata Posted February 10 Author Report Posted February 10 Just now, robosmith said: CLEARLY the "real problem" is the persecution of those who are different, often to the point of their SUICIDE. Where there's a real complex problem, there may not be simple cut-and-ready solutions. A number of individuals may need help in coming to terms with the notions of gender and sexuality. It doesn't mean that they should be cheered and invited to make decisions full consequences of which they may not fully understand; that can be irreversible; and that they may regret when coming to maturity. It doesn't mean that the majority of children who do not have such problems need to be exposed to issues they have no abilities to grasp. There's neither rational, no moral sense in driving this agenda all the way till it's clear, blatant nuts obvious to 90% of the society. Star-eyed liberals in this context are no different from right-wing religious nuts: instead of understanding complex reality they are trying to impose their simplistic, one-size-fits-all ideology driven pseudo solutions onto it. It won't work. It cannot work. And it will blow back. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Black Dog Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 37 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What does ending slavery have to do with this and...I find I must remind you it was the Republicans who ended slavery in the first place. 1. You said U.S. Civil War as the last time there was as much of "a level of social destruction" as today, so maybe you can explain that reference. 2. Republicans today have no resemblance to the Republicans of Lincoln and are closer to the Southern Democrats of that era, ideologically. Quote
robosmith Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 13 minutes ago, Nationalist said: 1. Tolerance is fine. Teaching kids about abnormal sexual kinks is NOT! Cross dressing is neither abnormal nor a "sexual kinks," just because YOU are uncomfortable with it. FACE REALITY. 13 minutes ago, Nationalist said: 2. I compared the current culture war to what must have existed before the civil war Dweebles. No you did not. "choked down our collective throats a level of social destruction that can only be compared to the American Civil War." NOTHING ^HERE about BEFORE the Civil War. Quote
User Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 7 minutes ago, robosmith said: Cross dressing is neither abnormal nor a "sexual kinks," just because YOU are uncomfortable with it. FACE REALITY. It is literally the definition of abnormal, since the vast majority do not do this and find it abnormal. 35 minutes ago, robosmith said: Learning TOLERANCE is the ANSWER. Pretending different doesn't exist is lDIOTIC. You don't want tolerance, you want acceptance. Not only that, folks like you want forced acceptance. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 22 minutes ago, Black Dog said: 1. You said U.S. Civil War as the last time there was as much of "a level of social destruction" as today, so maybe you can explain that reference. 2. Republicans today have no resemblance to the Republicans of Lincoln and are closer to the Southern Democrats of that era, ideologically. 1. The public is split and arguing. 2. That's just bullsh1t. 18 minutes ago, robosmith said: Cross dressing is neither abnormal nor a "sexual kinks," just because YOU are uncomfortable with it. FACE REALITY. No you did not. "choked down our collective throats a level of social destruction that can only be compared to the American Civil War." NOTHING ^HERE about BEFORE the Civil War. You truly are stupid. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
robosmith Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 45 minutes ago, myata said: Where there's a real complex problem, there may not be simple cut-and-ready solutions. A number of individuals may need help in coming to terms with the notions of gender and sexuality. It doesn't mean that they should be cheered and invited to make decisions full consequences of which they may not fully understand; that can be irreversible; and that they may regret when coming to maturity. It doesn't mean that the majority of children who do not have such problems need to be exposed to issues they have no abilities to grasp. Who says "issues they have no abilities to grasp." Plenty of kids have the ability to grasp the acceptance of different. Bullys have the ability to grasp persecution of different just because they've been taught it should make them uncomfortable. 45 minutes ago, myata said: There's neither rational, no moral sense in driving this agenda all the way till it's clear, blatant nuts obvious to 90% of the society. Where do you get 90%? Pulled it out of your butt? 45 minutes ago, myata said: Star-eyed liberals in this context are no different from right-wing religious nuts: instead of understanding complex reality they are trying to impose their simplistic, one-size-fits-all ideology driven pseudo solutions onto it. It won't work. It cannot work. And it will blow back. Facing reality is NOT "simplistic, one-size-fits-all ideology driven pseudo solutions" Quote
robosmith Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 20 minutes ago, Nationalist said: 1. The public is split and arguing. 2. That's just bullsh1t. You truly are stupid. Don't blame me for YOUR MISTAKES. Just admit you were wrong, or you keep making them over and over. Maybe go back and rewrite you post where you clearly said "a level of social destruction that can only be compared to the American Civil War." AKA nothing about BEFORE the Civil War. LMAO Quote
Black Dog Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: 1. The public is split and arguing. When haven't they been? When was this magical past where everyone was signing kumbaya together? Quote 2. That's just bullsh1t. It's true tho. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 5 minutes ago, Black Dog said: When haven't they been? When was this magical past where everyone was signing kumbaya together? It's true tho. Not like this exhibition of stupidity. What's true is its Democrats who want their slaves for their businesses...and sex. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Black Dog Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 9 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Not like this exhibition of stupidity. What's true is its Democrats who want their slaves for their businesses...and sex. Weirdo. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Not like this exhibition of stupidity. What's true is its Democrats who want their slaves for their businesses...and sex. Your definition of employees being slaves is just ridiculous. People who are paid ARE NOT SLAVES. Quote
myata Posted February 11 Author Report Posted February 11 9 hours ago, robosmith said: Plenty of kids have the ability to grasp the acceptance of different. You are wrong and your are just as stubborn and/or blind to see and accept it as any maga-person. No difference, in essence just different color that's all. Before a growing human comes to terms, gets a grasp of what gender and sexuality mean to them how can they grasp a much more complex idea that sexuality can be mutable, change with time? It's no time and no reason to preach these things to young kids. You would be doing more harm than good, real tangible harm and you wouldn't care. Why? Because just like the other side, you have transitioned, converted from being with the people on the way to better life for everyone, to imposing your vision, idea and ideology onto them, without regard for reality, whether it makes sense or would they accept it. This is how you get the blowback and reflux. Very predictable and logical too. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Nationalist Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 10 hours ago, robosmith said: Your definition of employees being slaves is just ridiculous. People who are paid ARE NOT SLAVES. Tell that to your slaves. Or the descendants of the black slaves. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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