User Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Not vague at all. What is Russia's historic tactic? Attrition. You still are not saying anything. What are you talking about? Quote
User Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 (edited) 22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: In this instance, there are two competing reasons for the start of this war being floated about: I am really not interested in a retread of your same old dumb arguments framed against your own strawman here. What we know is that Russia exploited Ukraine government being in disarray to annex Crimea and then Russia started a shadow war in the Donbas, and then Russia launched a full scale invasion into Ukraine. All you are doing is pathetically trying to justify Russia waging war. Edited February 17 by User Quote
Nationalist Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 2 hours ago, User said: You still are not saying anything. What are you talking about? Sure I am. What have I always said? Ukraine can't win this war. Why? Because the Russians have 10 or 20 times the military Ukraine does. Attrition. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Sure I am. What have I always said? Ukraine can't win this war. Why? Because the Russians have 10 or 20 times the military Ukraine does. Attrition. What does that have to do with this: "Your value on life...for one." Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 Just watching Igor Novikov, a former Zelenskyy adviser, on the Trump proposal. He compared it not to Chamberlain’s 1938 Munich agreement with Hitler but to the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact when the Soviets and Nazis carved up Poland. Quote
User Posted February 17 Report Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Just watching Igor Novikov, a former Zelenskyy adviser, on the Trump proposal. He compared it not to Chamberlain’s 1938 Munich agreement with Hitler but to the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact when the Soviets and Nazis carved up Poland. That is a pretty ignorant comparison. Do you actually like that comparison or are you just randomly sharing this tidbit of information for no particular reason? Quote
Scott75 Posted February 18 Author Report Posted February 18 (edited) On 2/13/2025 at 8:03 AM, Nationalist said: On 2/13/2025 at 7:57 AM, Scott75 said: You first asked your 'how was he assured' question in post #279, so I gave you my answer in post #294. Apparently, you forgot my answer, or perhaps never even read it, so you asked the question yet again in post #323. I didn't see the point in repeating my answer yet again, so I just redirected you back to where I'd already answered your question- that is, in post #294. I suspect you never clicked on the link. As I suspect I've told you before, there's a good saying that really applies here: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Let me know if you ever get back to post #294 to see the answer to your question. Well it's all academic now. Looks like Donny-Boy has an agreement with Vlad and now they're gonna impose it on Comic-Boy. Not yet, but I'm hopeful. So are the Russians apparently. Below are 2 articles that RT published today that get into the current situation between the U.S. and Russia. I think the first one certainly sounds hopeful: Lavrov traveling to Saudi Arabia to prepare Trump-Putin meeting – Kremlin | RT I think the second one does as well, though the title might suggest otherwise: ‘It is impossible to bring us to our knees’: Russia reacts to Putin-Trump phone call | RT Quoting from the second article: ** Third President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev: The presidents of Russia and the US have talked at last. This is very important in and of itself. The previous US administration cut off all high-level contacts in an attempt to punish and humiliate Russia. As a result, the world was balancing on the brink of the Apocalypse. How did we get there? It just so happened at some point that the US appointed itself the country-in-chief on our planet with the exclusive right to wage a hybrid war against our people, to mete out justice and grant pardons. It was a grave mistake, which nearly wiped humanity off the face of the earth. Nobody attempted something like that before senile Biden’s team. It’s true that we would hold shouting matches with America and sometimes practiced brinkmanship, but nobody slapped personal sanctions on Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis or on Brezhnev during the conflict in Afghanistan or severed contacts between the heads of state. On the contrary, the leaders kept lines of communication open, which helped resolve crises. ** Edited February 18 by Scott75 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted February 18 Author Report Posted February 18 Just finished reading the following article published yesterday on Consortium News by Scott Ritter, thought it was interesting: Trump’s Munich Strategy | Consortium News Quoting the subtitle of his article, as well as its conclusion: ** At the security conference in Germany we just saw Trump make a classic adaptation of John Boyd’s OODA-loop to destroy his NATO and EU enemies. [snip] Trump’s new secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth, travelled to NATO and put Europe on notice that it was not business as usual, and that perceptions Europe had about key issues such as the war in Ukraine were, in fact, misperceptions. No NATO for Ukraine. No return to the 1991 borders with Russia. No American troops in Ukraine. No NATO cover for any European “peacekeeping” force that might be deployed to Ukraine. And Europe was paying for everything going forward. Enter the OODA-loop. Hegseth was the initiating action. Europe scrambled to react. Enter Vice President J.D. Vance. His speech at the MSC was not designed as a piece of rhetorical genius that would go down in history for its eloquence and intellectual concepts. It was a turd in the European punchbowl, a deliberatively provocative punch in the face of political norms designed to inject chaos into the sense of order that Europe thrives on. Even as Europe strove to respond to the provocation of Hegseth, it now had to adjust to the frontal assault on its sensibilities that J.D. Vance had unleashed. The OODA-loop was in full operational mode. Whatever the Europeans thought the MSC was going to be — perhaps the forum for a forceful rejoinder to the insults of Pete Hegseth — fell apart as they scrambled to respond to the new insults laid out by J.D, Vance, who openly questioned Europe’s role as a partner of the United States. For the European elites gathered in Munich, who had spent their entire adult existence perfecting their roles — individually and collectively — as America’s compliant servants, to suddenly be told they were bad girls and boys whom America no longer identified with was too much. Munich may be remembered by J.D. Vance’s unorthodox — indeed, revolutionary — presentation. But the Munich experience is best encapsulated by the sight and sound of Christopher Heusgen, the chairman of the MSC, breaking down in tears as he closed the MSC, overcome by the reality that Europe was never more than a tool of American power, and now there is a different American master who has decided that Europe is no longer useful as a tool. In the aftermath of Munich, Europe is scrambling to respond to the new reality manifested during the MSC. Action-reaction. The OODA-loop. As French President Emmanuel Macron rallies his European allies to cobble together a coherent response to Trump’s Ukrainian apostacy, Trump dispatched a high-level negotiation team, led by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, to Saudi Arabia, where they will meet with a similarly high-level team from Russia, led by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, to negotiate an end to the Ukraine conflict and a revival of U.S.-Russian relations that will spell the end of NATO and EU relevancy. Neither the EU nor Ukraine was invited to the table. Game. Set. Match. How do I explain Munich? It is the revolutionary application of Boyd’s OODA-loop, a masterful case-study in disruptive politics conducted in an atmosphere of chaos brought about by the disembowelment of deep-seated political establishments the world relied upon for stability. It’s an acid trip down the rabbit hole chasing a White Rabbit that won’t stop to explain what’s happening. It’s a magic carpet ride to the unknown, piloted by a man who long ago stopped caring about the things we all had grown accustomed to believing served as the core aspects of the lives we led. It is the opening salvo of revolutionary change experienced by people who do not understand revolutions and are not prepared for one to break out all around them. It’s beautiful in a horrible way. It’s Donald Trump personified. “Do you know that the man really likes you?” the unnamed photojournalist tells the unbelieving everyman, Captain Willard, in the final apocalyptic scenes of Apocalypse Now. “He likes you. He really likes you. But he’s got something in mind for you. Aren’t you curious about that? I’m curious. I’m very curious. Are you curious? There’s something happening out here, man. You know something, man? I know something you that you don’t know. That’s right, Jack . The man is clear in his mind, but his soul is mad. Oh, yeah. He’s dying, I think. He hates all this. He hates it! But the man’s a – he reads poetry out loud, all right? And a voice – he likes you ’cause you’re still alive. He’s got plans for you. No, no. I’m not gonna help you. You’re gonna help him, man. You’re gonna help him. I mean, what are they gonna say when he’s gone? ‘Cause he dies when it dies, when it dies, he dies! What are they gonna say about him?” Welcome to the Revolution. ** Quote
User Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 52 minutes ago, Scott75 said: Just finished reading the following article Great, no need to constantly spam the forum. 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 (edited) Just finished reading an article published yesterday on Scott Ritter's substack, which can be seen here: https://scottritter.substack.com/p/vasily-goloborodkos-nightmare The article is about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s rise to fame via a television character he played named Vasily Goloborodko. This character played an every man who became President of Ukraine and, after 3 successful seasons, this was converted into a successful presidential run where he actually became President of Ukraine. Mr. Ritter then goes to compare the last 3 years of Russia's war with Ukraine to be 3 'real life' seasons of Zelensky's time as President of Ukraine and speculating on how the 4th season will end. Quoting the conclusion of Mr. Ritter's article below: ** Goloborodko’s nightmare, which began Season Three of the television version of Servant of the People, has become Zelensky’s reality—hemmed in on all sides by people who seek to depose him, with no way out. Instead of a carefully scripted narrative, Zelensky has turned to drug-fueled impromptu ad libs which have turned tragedy into farce. Where once the world cheered on the Churchillian hero Zelensky portrayed, they now have nothing but pity for the despicable character Zelensky plays today. We are now in Season Four. There is one last act to be had before the series can be closed down, and the producers are considering competing scripts. One has the tragic hero flee to a life in exile, where he can reflect on the causes of his collapse. The other, written by admirers of the HBO series The Sopranos, has a more bloody, fatal ending for the everyman-turned-dictator. But the bottom line is Season Four of the real-life version of Servant of the People will not end well for Zelensky. And the reality is none of those who once sold him as the second coming of Churchill will give a damn. ** I think Mr. Ritter may well be mistaken on his last line. Perhaps some who sold Zelensky "as the second coming of Churchill" care, at least a little, that things didn't exactly turn out the way Churchill's story did, but I sincerely doubt that'll change the fact that Zelensky's end will not be nearly as good as his, with the only thing yet to be determined is just how tragic that end will be. Edited February 19 by Scott75 Quote
eyeball Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 On 2/17/2025 at 1:05 PM, User said: All you are doing is pathetically trying to justify Russia waging war. So what do you think of America admirably justifying Ukraine's invasion? I mean, between Hegseth and Trump you guys have practically given Putin a gold star for a job well done. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: So what do you think of America admirably justifying Ukraine's invasion? I mean, between Hegseth and Trump you guys have practically given Putin a gold star for a job well done. I think you are reading too much into one comment and ignoring all the others. I think your conclusion is absurdly wrong as well, because again, you are ignoring all the comments and history prior to this. Quote
eyeball Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 1 hour ago, User said: I think your conclusion is absurdly wrong as well, because again, you are ignoring all the comments and history prior to this. Yeah well, it sure seems I'm in pretty good company judging by the headlines and opinions I'm seeing from around the world. Prior comments and history mean nothing where Trump's conclusions are concerned. He just makes it up as he goes assuming he's not getting texts directly from Putin on what to say next. You people put Putin's puppet into the White House. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: You people put Putin's puppet into the White House. This is why nothing you say here is can be taken seriously. The funny thing is that for as outraged as you pretend to be here about anything Trump is doing, your dishonest antics on here are far worse. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 Trump wants elections in Ukraine. How many general elections were there in the UK between 1935 and 1945? Was Churchill a dictator too? Quote
eyeball Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, User said: This is why nothing you say here is can be taken seriously. Meanwhile world leaders are using terms like 'shock' and 'Jesus' in reaction to the way Trump is turning the tables on Ukraine. And you even said yourself; I think Trump misspoke in a comment he was making explaining that Zelenski had 3 years to talk about peace, but still not a fan of the way he said that either. It's a little strange that you would spend so much time arguing with Putin's supporters while also arguing with people who support Ukraine's. ...not a fan...LMAO! 19 minutes ago, User said: The funny thing is that for as outraged as you pretend to be here about anything Trump is doing, your dishonest antics on here are far worse What dishonest antics? The only reason why anyone is worse than Trump that seems to matter to you is that they're lefties. You'll assume whatever position you need to avoid seeing eye to eye with one. Shit, you'll even ignore your bible and Jesus himself when it comes to doing that. You're one very sick partisan puppy. I get it that you love your country but...Jesus... Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, eyeball said: Meanwhile world leaders are using terms like 'shock' and 'Jesus' in reaction to the way Trump is turning the tables on Ukraine. My position on this has been pretty consistent: 1. "The world", including Biden, stood around and watched for months as Russia built up an invasion. They did not do anywhere near enough to help Ukraine BEFORE to prevent this. 2. After Russia invaded and then "The world" and Biden did little. They strung our support and only gave limited military equipment and drug out providing them more armor, more tech, for years. 3. "The world" was free and continues to be free to invest as much as they want, I don't give a shit what they think now about Trump, even if I disagree with Trump, because The world can do more now, they could have been doing more before. So, you and all the other Canadians and everyone else on here crying about Trump or America can go pound sand. Do more on your own, you should have been. Bonus: The world, including the US, has been **** footing around with Ukraine joining NATO for over a decade, knowing that would pi$$ Russia off, and if they were going to do it they should have done it, not string them along and then AFTER Russia invades seriously consider it. 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: What dishonest antics? Every damn discussion I have ever been in with you. Quote
eyeball Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, User said: you and all the other Canadians and everyone else on here crying about Trump or America can go pound sand. Do more on your own, you should have been. AFAIC we were doing more, trying to improve and strengthen global frameworks for dealing with more important issues like AGW, economic inequality and discrimination. 20 minutes ago, User said: Every damn discussion I have ever been in with you. Every damn discussion you have ever been in with me you've run away from, immediately after accusing me of lying but never showing where or with anything to corroborate it. So fùck you too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: AFAIC we were doing more, trying to improve and strengthen global frameworks for dealing with more important issues like AGW, economic inequality and discrimination. Then go pound sand. If this is that important to you, then fund it, don't cry that we are not doing so. Quote
eyeball Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 (edited) 28 minutes ago, User said: Then go pound sand. If this is that important to you, then fund it, don't cry that we are not doing so. You were but then America suddenly felt that playing Jenga with as many of the international institutions your country helped build was a better way to go. Hence the sense of 'shock' and 'Jesus' everywhere you look and either seem to be oblivious too or relish. A little bit of both depending on who your talking to or about or why or ... 1 hour ago, User said: My position on this has been pretty consistent: No, you're all over the place, like a hummingbird on crack. Edited February 19 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 29 minutes ago, eyeball said: You were but then America suddenly felt that playing Jenga with as many of the international institutions your country helped build was a better way to go. Hence the sense of 'shock' and 'Jesus' everywhere you look and either seem to be oblivious too or relish. A little bit of both depending on who your talking to or about or why or ... I spelled this out before, if you or "the world" is shocked, that is on you. Trump ran for President for 2 years talking about this. He won the Presidency 4 months ago talking about this. "The world" had plenty of time to prepare and do more. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 Ukraine can’t have a free and fair election because Russia invaded the country. How difficult is this to understand? Quote
eyeball Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 9 minutes ago, User said: Trump ran for President for 2 years talking about this Yeah and billions of humans thought he was nuts but I guess you showed them didn't you? And yet...you're not entirely a fan all of a sudden. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 1 hour ago, eyeball said: AFAIC we were doing more, trying to improve and strengthen global frameworks for dealing with more important issues like AGW, economic inequality and discrimination. No we weren't! We never did any of that. And all we did for Ukraine was buy them a few anti-air systems and send them some broken down tanks we had Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No we weren't! We never did any of that. We tried I said. It was always in the face of strong headwinds and resistance but hey, we got dental care! That's huge progress in the face of today's world. Huge. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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