Canada's climate crises, is it the right policy or direction.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Your grasping at thin air here, this climate change failure belongs to the NDP/Liberals period....they set the polices, they were in charge, they are at fault....stop trying to pin this failure on someone else....

I'm pinning it on the frog - all of us in other words.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

It only makes things a little less shitty so why even try?

Because it's brainless to make things a teeny, tiny, itty-bitty, barely detectable less shitty in 75 years by making it far shittier today.

[Army Guy]

On 1/21/2025 at 9:50 PM, herbie said:

Oh noes! It might cost a penny to pull our thumbs out of our ass.

Why not stick our whole hand up there, pull it out and flick the shit off in their libtard faces instead? Hungh Hungh Hunghhh! Just like Donnie Diaperman....

Well a little more than a penny, more like 10,000 US every year for every Canadian, thats on top of all your taxes we pay right now, plus on top of what ever crazy climate change plan they come up with........With a good portion of Canadians already suffering. This is what your supporting....more of the same....Ya baby....

 

Given that wealthier Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries will foot most of this bill, the price tag will be the equivalent to each person in the rich world paying over US$10,000 every year. Not only will this be politically impossible, but the benefit will be a far smaller one per cent of GDP across the century.

[paradox34]

On 1/21/2025 at 12:16 PM, Army Guy said:

FP has taken two very prominent climate experts which both agree that perhaps Canada maybe even most of the globe are not on the right track, spending way more than we need to...after decades of climate research we still have not got it right....

Bjorn Lomborg: Climate spending costs the world more than climate change does

Whether you believe in a man made climate crisis or not China and India are by far the biggest generators of hot house gases. The liberal agenda to control the situation is laughable in the face of the emissions produced by China and India not to mention hypocritical since BC is the largest North American exporter of the dirtiest form of energy to these two countries: coal!

The entire issue is a WEF program to limit the economic growth of the G7 and allow the third world economies to catch up. Environment be damned!

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[CdnFox]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:52 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Hm ?

Devil in the details - it says Climate Change " based on current trends — will have a global cost equivalent to between 1.9 and 3.1 per cent of global GDP. "

That's every year.  

What are we spending now ?

Google says: 

"Canada: In 2023, the Canadian government spent about 0.5% of GDP on climate action. The Climate Action Network Canada estimates that the government will increase its spending to 0.7% of GDP over the next five years

But the figure is grossly false. It doesn't take into account a huge number of costs. For example the cost of the carbon tax is not calculated into that nor is the effect of the economy included in that calculation.

Then there's the economic opportunity cost that comes from suppressing the oil fields and other energy expansion such as LNG. It is arguably worth four or five percent of our GDP right there.

So the actual cost to Canada for all of this nonsense is considerably higher than their suggesting

 

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The world has given up on controlling climate change. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The world has given up on controlling climate change. 

Giving up certainly won't prevent it..

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The world has given up on controlling climate change. 

You were warned about this. And by you I mean the left and those who pretend that the climate issue is an emergency or crisis to them.

You were warned by many experts and political pundits that if you kept up with nonsense programs like the carbon tax which could show no results and weren't even being tracked which financially hurt people for no gain that people would become fed up with it and that they would turn on climate change entirely.

So now people have been 'fighting climate change' for 10 years and there's zero results. we haven't reduced emissions anywhere  near target, and we still have forest fires and hot summers. Nothing's gotten better, in fact everything's worse. 

So why on earth would we keep hurting ourselves fighting climate change?

[eyeball]

On 1/24/2025 at 3:20 PM, CdnFox said:

You were warned about this.

It was only a decade or so ago when I was saying the same thing.

I mean c'mon, everyone knew there was a hard-boiled right-wing backlash coming.  I missed the Cheney's being cancelled as Marxists though. I didn't see that one coming at all.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It was only a decade or so ago when I was saying the same thing.

 

you have never in your life said the same thing.

If anything you have we're arguing with me less than a year ago that the carbon tax was good and that people would support it

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I mean c'mon, everyone knew there was a hard-boiled right-wing backlash coming.  I missed the Cheney's being cancelled as Marxists though. I didn't see that one coming at all.

Read the polls kid. It's a lot of the people that used to be on the left too. They realize they've been screwed over and now they can't afford food or housing thanks to you and your buddies.

They say a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. You've spent the last 10 years mugging people and trying to tell them that it's for their benefit. Now you and every other liberal and lefty out there are scrambling like crazy to pretend that they never thought that carbon tax was a great idea and that it should be gotten rid of immediately.

This is your own doing. This is your fault.

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On 1/24/2025 at 7:48 AM, eyeball said:

Giving up certainly won't prevent it..

That is why humans are f**ked. I still remember trying to work during the 2023 forest fires. The same fires that made breathing virtually impossible in most major cities in the northeast US.  It was crazy. After one month, I was off work, and going to grab some food, and I started getting heart palpitations. 

I got worried and looked up "negative health effects of forest fire smoke inhalation." Sure enough, heart palpitations are on there. If I had some kind of lung problem - severe asthma, or COPD, I would have died.  Keep in mind the forest fires are only going to get worse, so I would suspect a huge number of fatalities will occur in the coming years.

But hey.....at least Trump is "owning the Libs!"

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

That is why humans are f**ked.

Then there's really no point in worrying about it or destroying our economy over it is there?

[eyeball]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If anything you have we're arguing with me less than a year ago that the carbon tax was good and that people would support it

Naw you must've just been arguing with something you made up.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Naw you must've just been arguing with something you made up.

As much as I would like to think of you as a figment of my imagination and not actually a person wandering around who's actually that stupid, sadly the evidence does not support that  

That as usual I certainly understand why you would try to deny things you've said in the past. Most of them are pretty dumb. I still chuckle occasionally when I think about politicians wearing body cameras 24/7 as per your recommendations

[SpankyMcFarland]

Forget about amelioration - we’ll never sort that out here. Let’s concentrate on adaptation which we will all have to do sooner or later. From homeowners to neighbourhoods to municipalities and up, we have to start fireproofing our homes and making them less liable to wind and flooding. This process begins with each of us. 

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Forget about amelioration - we’ll never sort that out here. Let’s concentrate on adaptation which we will all have to do sooner or later. From homeowners to neighbourhoods to municipalities and up, we have to start fireproofing our homes and making them less liable to wind and flooding. This process begins with each of us. 

True. realistically no matter what that has to begin. 

I'll give the bc ndp (whom i dislike a great deal) credit where credit is deserved, they did launch a plan to equip seniors and lower income people with air conditioners to help protect against severe heat events. That helps a lot. And they very significantly increased our forest fire fighting capability. We need to do more but they made  a good start

we do need to adapt to look at how to reduce forest fire risk, how to take advantages of the bonuses like extra but unpredictable growing seasons and possibly different crops, all that good stuff. 

Because even if we stopped producing GHG entirely the rest of the world isn't and we dont' make a difference. so we're going to have climate change.