So back in 2020...

[Deluge]

Trump tried to get more water into California, but woke head politicians & pseudo-scientists rejected that attempt to protect some species? 

Does anyone else feel like leftoids everywhere should be thrown in the slammer? 

[herbie]

Sorry! God's got him on the IGNORE list and didn't make rain pour from Heaven.

He could try dancing or sacrificing a goat, those are actually doable and just as stupid and futile.
Leftists prevented Trump from making it rain.....

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Deluge said:

Does anyone else feel like leftoids everywhere should be thrown in the slammer? 

You better get on with it because it's probably not going to be long until we start arming ourselves.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You better get on with it because it's probably not going to be long until we start arming ourselves.

You guys can't even fire off a good retort never mind a gun   the only thing you'll be shooting is your mouth LOL   Plus most of you wouldn't pass the licensing and background requirements in canada  

6 hours ago, Deluge said:

Trump tried to get more water into California, but woke head politicians & pseudo-scientists rejected that attempt to protect some species? 

Does anyone else feel like leftoids everywhere should be thrown in the slammer? 

I don't remember trump doing that.  Are you referring to the columbia river? There were some pretty serious issues with that which did involve more than just "a species", it would have impacted a very major river and all of the life along it in the us, not to mention it would require canada to allow more water through the border which we probably won't. 

[Deluge]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

You better get on with it because it's probably not going to be long until we start arming ourselves.

You're not going to arm shit. lol

You might want to think about how you'll survive in prison though.  

[Deluge]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I don't remember trump doing that.  Are you referring to the columbia river? There were some pretty serious issues with that which did involve more than just "a species", it would have impacted a very major river and all of the life along it in the us, not to mention it would require canada to allow more water through the border which we probably won't. 

He talks about it in the link below:

https://nypost.com/2025/01/08/us-news/trump-says-gov-gavin-newscum-chose-to-save-an-endangered-fish-instead-of-sending-water-to-southern-california-to-fight-apocalyptic-wildfires/

I have to dig a bit, but there's a video of Trump talking to Newsom in 2020 about doing preventive stuff like clearing the grounds of debris to help ensure that cities don't go up in flames. Newsom just stands there like a jackass - probably thinking about lunch. 

[Legato]

also California had record rainfall last year.

[Deluge]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

Sorry! God's got him on the IGNORE list and didn't make rain pour from Heaven.

He could try dancing or sacrificing a goat, those are actually doable and just as stupid and futile.
Leftists prevented Trump from making it rain.....

God helps those who try to help themselves. Newsom helps himself by burdening the people with more taxes, but that's Satans work.  

[Legato]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

Sorry! God's got him on the IGNORE list and didn't make rain pour from Heaven.

He could try dancing or sacrificing a goat, those are actually doable and just as stupid and futile.
Leftists prevented Trump from making it rain.....

Cmon herbie, you wouldn't like it if someone sacrificed your lover.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

He talks about it in the link below:

https://nypost.com/2025/01/08/us-news/trump-says-gov-gavin-newscum-chose-to-save-an-endangered-fish-instead-of-sending-water-to-southern-california-to-fight-apocalyptic-wildfires/

I have to dig a bit, but there's a video of Trump talking to Newsom in 2020 about doing preventive stuff like clearing the grounds of debris to help ensure that cities don't go up in flames. Newsom just stands there like a jackass - probably thinking about lunch. 

The ground debris thing makes total sense, they haven't managed their force very well and it was obviously a tinder box.

As to the water thing    so you know i believe trump was the best pick in the last election and that his previous term was pretty decent by any reasonable standard.  I'm not anti trump at all.  

BUT -  he frequently says some sh*t that pops into his head that has only a vague connection with reality. And this is one of them. 

the Columbia River comes through Canada into America and travels down through Oregon and then eventually sort of takes a right and heads to the sea. It is a river that salmon spawn up and provides much needed irrigation and habitat for literally thousands of species.

The original plan was to basically hack a path through the mountains into California and divert a significant portion of the river before it takes a right and goes to the sea to allow water to go to California. However, if they took all of the water it would literally leave hundreds and hundreds of miles Of ecosystem inside Oregon without the water it needs causing a massive environmental impact.

One way around that is to put more water in the river, but the problem is Canada needs that water for itself and draws a great deal of water from the Columbia River before it gets to the US. We have an agreement about how much water we will let through as a minimum to make sure the US needs are met but if anything we're going to need that water in Canada more and more so the chances of us agreeing to higher levels of minimum water throughput are almost zero.

Then there's all the costs and challenges associated with getting the water down to California which is by no means an easy thing.

So at the time they shelved it because there were way too many problems. Unlikely to get negotiations with the Canadians. Massive environmental impact in Oregon who wasn't exactly excited about losing one of its major rivers. Extreme costs and challenges getting the water where it needed to go in California.

The idea that it was set aside to save smelt is about as bright as trying to fight covid by injecting yourself with bleach, which I believe was another trump idea from back in the day  

[Deluge]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The ground debris thing makes total sense, they haven't managed their force very well and it was obviously a tinder box.

As to the water thing    so you know i believe trump was the best pick in the last election and that his previous term was pretty decent by any reasonable standard.  I'm not anti trump at all.  

BUT -  he frequently says some sh*t that pops into his head that has only a vague connection with reality. And this is one of them. 

the Columbia River comes through Canada into America and travels down through Oregon and then eventually sort of takes a right and heads to the sea. It is a river that salmon spawn up and provides much needed irrigation and habitat for literally thousands of species.

The original plan was to basically hack a path through the mountains into California and divert a significant portion of the river before it takes a right and goes to the sea to allow water to go to California. However, if they took all of the water it would literally leave hundreds and hundreds of miles Of ecosystem inside Oregon without the water it needs causing a massive environmental impact.

One way around that is to put more water in the river, but the problem is Canada needs that water for itself and draws a great deal of water from the Columbia River before it gets to the US. We have an agreement about how much water we will let through as a minimum to make sure the US needs are met but if anything we're going to need that water in Canada more and more so the chances of us agreeing to higher levels of minimum water throughput are almost zero.

Then there's all the costs and challenges associated with getting the water down to California which is by no means an easy thing.

So at the time they shelved it because there were way too many problems. Unlikely to get negotiations with the Canadians. Massive environmental impact in Oregon who wasn't exactly excited about losing one of its major rivers. Extreme costs and challenges getting the water where it needed to go in California.

The idea that it was set aside to save smelt is about as bright as trying to fight covid by injecting yourself with bleach, which I believe was another trump idea from back in the day  

It seems they could've diverted at least some of that water into Cal rather than into the sea. So Oregon loses some of its ecosystem. Do we let part of Los Angeles burn to the ground instead? The answer, obviously, is yes. 

This catastrophe is telling. I would already be putting together an exit plan if I lived anywhere in that county. 

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, Deluge said:

It seems they could've diverted at least some of that water into Cal rather than into the sea. So Oregon loses some of its ecosystem. Do we let part of Los Angeles burn to the ground instead? The answer, obviously, is yes. 

Well they could have diverted a small amount but it would have gone to irrigation. It wouldn't have been available to fight the fires. And they would have paid an insane amount to do it, if that same money have been put into cleaning up the forests in the area or fire prevention methods it probably would have achieved vastly more results. I mean you're talking about essentially building a thousand miles or so of pipeline similar to an oil project where half of it is going through some pretty horrific terrain. Even if the project had started then I'm not sure it would be finished by now, we're not talking about a short distance.

Nobody is faster than I am to take a swipe at that ultra pathetic Californian loser of a governor and he does have some liability here, but I think that the whole should have brought water from canada thing is probably at best severely grossly over exaggerated.

35 minutes ago, Deluge said:

This catastrophe is telling. I would already be putting together an exit plan if I lived anywhere in that county. 

That is absolutely true. They spend all of their money and time and energy worrying about social issues like whether there's enough diversity and inclusion in the workforce and they ignore the basics such as "Our neighborhoods tinder boxes that will explode into violent flames at the drop of a match and should we do something about that?"

In fairness there has been a significant that outflow of businesses and other people from California for some time just because things haven't been handled properly and this is yet another example

[herbie]

Look the ignorant orangey is not only lying though his teeth about Newsom refusing to sign a nonexistent treaty in order pin any blame he can invent in his decaying mind on someone else.
Too stupid to know if you turn on a hundred fire hoses at once, the pressure goes down and as stupid as his followers to even acknowledge climate change while doing every possible thing to make it worse.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Look the ignorant orangey is not only lying though his teeth about Newsom refusing to sign a nonexistent treaty in order pin any blame he can invent in his decaying mind on someone else.
Too stupid to know if you turn on a hundred fire hoses at once, the pressure goes down and as stupid as his followers to even acknowledge climate change while doing every possible thing to make it worse.

Good lord man...  do we need to all chip in and get you some dribble bibs? You're completely foaming at the mouth! 

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, herbie said:

Look the ignorant orangey is not only lying though his teeth about Newsom refusing to sign a nonexistent treaty in order pin any blame he can invent in his decaying mind on someone else.
Too stupid to know if you turn on a hundred fire hoses at once, the pressure goes down and as stupid as his followers to even acknowledge climate change while doing every possible thing to make it worse.

"Climate change" just killed your point. Go back to your safety space and rethink your life. 

[herbie]

Tanks for proving you're too stunned to listen to.

Pretending shit doesn't exist because you don't want to have to deal with it.

[robosmith]

On 1/10/2025 at 8:04 AM, Legato said:

also California had record rainfall last year.

It hasn't rained significantly in LA since last May, which is unprecedented.

I've lived in So Cal since 1990 and EVERY YEAR we had at least one large rain storm in November, UNTIL 2024.

The record in 2024 was during the SPRING. AKA 8 months ago, doofus.

Edited January 11 by robosmith

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It hasn't rained significantly in LA since last May, which is unprecedented.

 

How can you be sure? I'm pretty sure that you can't even tell when it's raining, it would certainly explain why you don't have the sense to come in out of it