Whos really to blame for the LA wildfire? Donnie or Gavin Newscum who diverts water from its natural path into the ocean and refuses to do any sort of wildfire/forestry management because of faulty woke ideology?

[SpankyMcFarland]

It amazes me that people are still actually moving to the likes of Phoenix and Las Vegas. These cities will become unbearable in the summer soon. They’re hard to tolerate now. 

[User]

18 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

If you have some quantifiable evidence then put it forth. 

You don't believe they were focused on DEI?

This is literally from the biography on the fire department website:

"Creating, supporting, and promoting a culture that values diversity, inclusion, and equity while striving to meet and exceed the expectations of the communities are Chief Crowley’s priorities, and she is grateful for the opportunity to serve the City of Los Angeles."

[Venandi]

22 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do you even admit that climate change exists? 

Please explain to a simple soldier why that admission matters to anyone, especially someone who lost a house in LA. 

Suppose you chase down a global consensus on climate change, institute policies across the world that limit emissions, what then... do we all wait patiently for that to happen and the effects of it to manifest? Do you see that consensus happening in less than 10 years? Do you see the effects of it changing outcomes in your lifetime? And what if you encounter entire countries along the way who don't admit it, like China. Got a solution for that? 

Planetary climatology suggests that change is the norm, that periods of static profiles are brief and that transitions can be sudden. Once upon a time, one of my houses was under the ocean... I'm pretty sure that at some point in the future it will be again. 

Here's my suggestion.... get your a$$ on a horse and get out on the land. It doesn't take long, likely less time than you spend on this forum (in a month) will generate enough WTF questions to enrage Herb. And here's a snippet of practical wisdom for ya, if it chokes a troll you can be pretty sure you're on the right track.

I doubt there's any accord you can strike that will make red trees turn green again. Y'all better embrace the suck here because the reality of prevailing winds and single roads in and out of valley towns aligned with those winds remains a problem in need of a solution. Especially if the hills to the north, the hills to the south, and (gasp) the hills to the west are emblazoned with pretty red trees and piles of brush.

Isn't that exactly how MAGA hyenas build outdoor pizza ovens?

   

   

 

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[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, User said:

You don't believe they were focused on DEI?

This is literally from the biography on the fire department website:

"Creating, supporting, and promoting a culture that values diversity, inclusion, and equity while striving to meet and exceed the expectations of the communities are Chief Crowley’s priorities, and she is grateful for the opportunity to serve the City of Los Angeles."

That is not quantifiable  evidence. 

[Deluge]

18 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Janisse Quiñones, the newly appointed chief executive officer and chief engineer of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. This is who makes the call on the available water supply for hydrants. As for diverting water.. you should look at a map. The smelt is in the San Joaquin (Stockton, Sacramento, Fairfield).. that's a long ways from LA.

Now as for the state's forest management, that is a problem. That was not relevant here because it was a very urban setting. The forest management policies are bad but only because they did not prioritize it. Lack of funding sent that way. They have slowly started to change their ways though. You see crews in Plumas, Lassen, and Modoc County often clearing underbrush and having controlled burns. 

Another DEI hire.

Watch her stumble through her explanation:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14268627/LA-water-chief-janisse-quinones-fire-hydrants-bumbling-video.html

God, California leaders are stupid. lol

 

[User]

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

That is not quantifiable  evidence. 

Do you deny that the LA Fire Department spent even one hour on DEI training? Because you are just playing an obfuscation game here so you can ignore my argument. 

 

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[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

Another DEI hire.

Watch her stumble through her explanation:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14268627/LA-water-chief-janisse-quinones-fire-hydrants-bumbling-video.html

God, California leaders are stupid. lol

 

Can you prove that the only reason that she was hired was her gender and race? Spare me the opinions.. lets see some actual evidence. 

3 million gallons actually exceeds what they had ready in the past... interesting. 

[User]

3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Can you prove that the only reason that she was hired was her gender and race? Spare me the opinions.. lets see some actual evidence. 

3 million gallons actually exceeds what they had ready in the past... interesting. 

Enough of this dumb game you are playing. The leftists have been pushing DEI and "equity" and changing their hiring practices to focus on this. 

https://lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph2121/files/2021-04/mayorgarcettiexecutivedirective27.pdf



 

[impartialobserver]

Just now, User said:

Enough of this dumb game you are playing. The leftists have been pushing DEI and "equity" and changing their hiring practices to focus on this. 

https://lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph2121/files/2021-04/mayorgarcettiexecutivedirective27.pdf



 

Game... the game that I am playing is having you prove your claims. You have no quantifiable evidence that the DEI hiring policies directly and measurably impacted their attempts to contain the fire. Quit going off into the weeds because you have no evidence.

[Deluge]

32 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Can you prove that the only reason that she was hired was her gender and race? Spare me the opinions.. lets see some actual evidence. 

3 million gallons actually exceeds what they had ready in the past... interesting. 

Nope, can't prove it directly because I don't have access to their list of applicants. 

I can, however, prove that LA is up to its eyeballs in DEI. 

let's start here:

https://ceo.lacounty.gov/ardi/

Now, when you see a Latina, WITH an accent, heading up that department, what does that tell you?

Wrong. It tells you that DEI is alive and well in that part of the country. 

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[User]

12 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Game... the game that I am playing is having you prove your claims. You have no quantifiable evidence that the DEI hiring policies directly and measurably impacted their attempts to contain the fire. Quit going off into the weeds because you have no evidence.

Now you are arguing against a strawman. 

My claim is that every hour spent on DEI training is one less hour spent on fighting fire.

That statement stands on its own. The evidence for it is that they have in fact prioritized DEI and they have in fact spent money on this and they have infact spent time on it. That is all $$$, time, and priority not focused on fighting fires. 

You can't deal with this, so you create a straw man to argue against instead. 

 

[impartialobserver]

Just now, Deluge said:

Nope, can't prove it directly because I don't have access to their list of applicants. 

I can, however, prove that LA is up to its eyeballs in DEI. 

let's start here:

https://ceo.lacounty.gov/ardi/

Now, you see a Latina, WITH an accent, who's heading up that department what does that tell you?

Wrong. It tells you that DEI is alive and well in that part of the country. 

Ok, good that you admit that you can't prove it directly. You are guessing and nothing more. 

 

As of 2012.. the available supply was only 1.8 million gallons. Neither would have been sufficient for this event. 

[impartialobserver]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Now you are arguing against a strawman. 

My claim is that every hour spent on DEI training is one less hour spent on fighting fire.

That statement stands on its own. The evidence for it is that they have in fact prioritized DEI and they have in fact spent money on this and they have infact spent time on it. That is all $$$, time, and priority not focused on fighting fires. 

You can't deal with this, so you create a straw man to argue against instead. 

 

So you have no evidence... understood. All you have is theory and hypothetical. Come back when you have something quantitative. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

So you have no evidence... understood. All you have is theory and hypothetical. Come back when you have something quantitative. 

I already posted evidence. Again, are you denying that the LA Fire Deparment has spent money, time, and resources on DEI?

This is just a lame Sea Lion act now. 

 

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Ok, good that you admit that you can't prove it directly. You are guessing and nothing more. 

 

As of 2012.. the available supply was only 1.8 million gallons. Neither would have been sufficient for this event. 

It's a guess, but it's a valid, reliable, highly believable guess. In fact, you could say it's a guaran-f*ckin-tee without actually saying it's a guaran-f*cking-tee. 

So what does that tell you? Keep neglecting the forests and divert water to save some species? No, it tells you to be prepared. 

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[impartialobserver]

Just now, User said:

I already posted evidence. Again, are you denying that the LA Fire Deparment has spent money, time, and resources on DEI?

This is just a lame Sea Lion act now. 

 

This is like saying that you have evidence of someone stealing XYZ because they like XYZ. 

Evidence would be quantitative... do you know what that means? There would be established metrics that rate them. Metrics based on actual data such as response time. You would compare the predecessors to the current staff based on quantitative metrics. 

[Legato]

8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

So you have no evidence... understood. All you have is theory and hypothetical. Come back when you have something quantitative. 

Just goggle it, there lots of info on fire dept dei.

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

This is like saying that you have evidence of someone stealing XYZ because they like XYZ. 

Evidence would be quantitative... do you know what that means? There would be established metrics that rate them. Metrics based on actual data such as response time. You would compare the predecessors to the current staff based on quantitative metrics. 

The evidence is right in front of your face:

Latina with an accent + DEI = Boxes checked, automatic hire. 

Edited January 10 by Deluge

[User]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

This is like saying that you have evidence of someone stealing XYZ because they like XYZ. 

Evidence would be quantitative... do you know what that means? There would be established metrics that rate them. Metrics based on actual data such as response time. You would compare the predecessors to the current staff based on quantitative metrics. 

No, that is not my argument at all. Yet again, you create a straw man. 

Yes, 1 hour is quantitative. Yes, 1 dollar is quantitative. 

Stop playing dumb games. 

 

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

It's a guess, but it's a valid, reliable, highly believable guess. In fact, you could say it's a guaran-f*ckin-tee without actually saying it's a guaran-f*cking-tee. 

So what does that tell you? Keep neglecting the forests and divert water to save some species? No, it tells you to be prepared. 

Your zealousness takes you off the rails. First, LA is an urban environment so in this case you are talking apples to oranges. You have a point when it comes to the area in the central and northern parts of the state that are not urban. 

As for water diversion.. that is irrelevant. Their infrastructure was not ready. The reservoirs in their watersheds were doing fine as compared to years past. Had they been ready.. they could have had the necessary 12 to 13 million gallons ready. 

8 minutes ago, Legato said:

Just goggle it, there lots of info on fire dept dei.

Knowing their names is not evidence of job performance. I know that you this

8 minutes ago, User said:

No, that is not my argument at all. Yet again, you create a straw man. 

Yes, 1 hour is quantitative. Yes, 1 dollar is quantitative. 

Stop playing dumb games. 

 

Now show me some metrics of those that came before them and metrics of the actual hires. If I want to tell you about a pro athlete.. I use metrics such as points scored, TD Scored, goals scored.. can you do this? 

[Legato]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Your zealousness takes you off the rails. First, LA is an urban environment so in this case you are talking apples to oranges. You have a point when it comes to the area in the central and northern parts of the state that are not urban. 

As for water diversion.. that is irrelevant. Their infrastructure was not ready. The reservoirs in their watersheds were doing fine as compared to years past. Had they been ready.. they could have had the necessary 12 to 13 million gallons ready. 

Knowing their names is not evidence of job performance. I know that you this

Who is talking about names? We are talking the about time and money spent on DEI at the expense of actual firefighting.

I'm sure you know this.

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

Who is talking about names? We are talking the about time and money spent on DEI at the expense of actual firefighting.

I'm sure you know this.

I need more than theory. Can you provide actual dollars spent and more importantly... quantitative job performance metrics that show unequivocally that the DEI hires did not perform up to par. Now do not play stupid and say that the fire battalion chiefs have control over the available water supply. 

[User]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Now show me some metrics of those that came before them and metrics of the actual hires. If I want to tell you about a pro athlete.. I use metrics such as points scored, TD Scored, goals scored.. can you do this? 

I am talking about your previous refusal to engage earnestly regarding how taking time, $$$, and resources away from the mission of fighting fires to promote DEI is less time, $$$, and resources that goes to fighting fires. 

I am merely pointing out that the LA Mayor, including all executive agencies, have focused on promoting diversity in hiring. If you want to act like that has had no impact, fine. I don't like playing dumb games. 

 

[impartialobserver]

Just now, User said:

I am talking about your previous refusal to engage earnestly regarding how taking time, $$$, and resources away from the mission of fighting fires to promote DEI is less time, $$$, and resources that goes to fighting fires. 

I am merely pointing out that the LA Mayor, including all executive agencies, have focused on promoting diversity in hiring. If you want to act like that has had no impact, fine. I don't like playing dumb games. 

 

Lets stop here... we are not talking about the same thing. I do not like playing dumb games either and can realize that we are not even close to being on the same page. 

[Legato]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

I need more than theory. Can you provide actual dollars spent and more importantly... quantitative job performance metrics that show unequivocally that the DEI hires did not perform up to par. Now do not play stupid and say that the fire battalion chiefs have control over the available water supply. 

$1.7m That could have gone into actual firefighting instead of a DEI agenda.