Whos really to blame for the LA wildfire? Donnie or Gavin Newscum who diverts water from its natural path into the ocean and refuses to do any sort of wildfire/forestry management because of faulty woke ideology?

[West]

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You mean you believe that SARACARTER.COM is newspaper article? You're even dumber than I thought.

You first. Prove that Democrats top priority in hiring is DEI and their hires are less competent as a result. YOU CANNOT.

Sarah Carter is a contributer on Fox. Just because you refuse the source doesn't mean it hasn't been provided to you

You've already been provided with this multiple times. Their top priority is diversity, equity and inclusion. In her lingo/world, that means this is where the resources are allocated to. 

You've been provided with evidence that 100 million was cut and that they were warned they were shorting disaster management funding. 

https://www.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/megyn-kelly-torches-la-fire-chief-for-prioritizing-diversity-over-wildfires-as-city-burns-who-gives-a-flying-fig-about-who-she-sleeps-with/amp_articleshow/117089609.cms

Democrats allowed this to happen. Sad

Edited January 12 by West

[robosmith]

22 minutes ago, West said:

Sarah Carter is a contributer on Fox. Just because you refuse the source doesn't mean it hasn't been provided to you

And it doesn't mean it has ANY objectivity or credibility.

Being associated with FOS LIES it has no credibility.

22 minutes ago, West said:

You've already been provided with this multiple times. Their top priority is diversity, equity and inclusion. In her lingo/world, that means this is where the resources are allocated to. 

No, you've not show a published list of Democrats priorities that put DEI at the top. Duh

22 minutes ago, West said:

You've been provided with evidence that 100 million was cut and that they were warned they were shorting disaster management funding. 

And I showed you why that is meaningless. Did you not understand why?

You didn't even have ANY rebuttal.

22 minutes ago, West said:

https://www.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/megyn-kelly-torches-la-fire-chief-for-prioritizing-diversity-over-wildfires-as-city-burns-who-gives-a-flying-fig-about-who-she-sleeps-with/amp_articleshow/117089609.cms

Another FOS LIES ^"expert" NOT. Kelley is just like you; NOT an expert, and not showing ANY EVIDENCE for her claims.

22 minutes ago, West said:

Democrats allowed this to happen. Sad

Democrats were powerless to stop it, just like the Governor of Louisiana was powerless to stop Katrina from flooding New Orleans.

You don't even understand that with LIMITED RESOURCES, NO ONE prepares for the 99.9% level of disaster.

Nor that the combination of factors made those fires a VERY LOW probability event.

IF that was done all over the nation, we'd be bankrupt. Esp when those with 99% of the wealth keep getting tax cuts.

Of course I don't expect a partisan hack like you to ever understand that REALITY cause you never consider the FACTS.

[Venandi]

If nothing else there are some absolutely stunning images of the fiasco coming out.

I'm likely a bit biased toward early detection and timely engagement with air resources placed on regional alert status during high threat periods.

The budget cuts are known to have had an effect on overtime which many might find reasonable on the face of it. Trouble is spinning up seasonal arial application assets are a large overtime consumer due to the concentrated and time compressed nature of the spin up process.

I saw a video which mentioned that in passing recently... I'll post it if I see it again. 

Edited January 12 by Venandi

[Venandi]

6 hours ago, Venandi said:

I saw a video which mentioned that in passing recently... I'll post it if I see it again. 

Here's one of them... it's at the 2 min mark of the video for those interested. Cutting overtime may seem like a reasonable response to budget cuts but there can be overlooked operational impacts in critical areas. This is why a Nov/Dec time frame was an issue for the Chief IMO, it's part of the lead up to a high threat time period.

Simply lumping things like time compressed certification training into an "overtime bucket" renders the tracks left behind latent... there isn't enough of a shit smell for Robo to track it... and since the blind monkey refuses to hold hands with him, things like that can get overlooked.

 

People flying drones in restricted operating zones don't help the effort either because most of the action takes place low level. Not sure how you can communicate with people like this... luckily we have Robo to practice on though.

He still thinks all of this is a "mostly peaceful demonstration" against climate change and approves of having those 75 fire truck from Oregon being held up in Sacramento for mechanical safety inspections.  

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/incredibly-dangerous-more-unauthorized-drones-fly-above-palisades-fire

Robo... I actually agree with one of your quotes:

I can easily tell your background cause an expert would easily have EVIDENCE at hand and you never do...

Edited January 12 by Venandi

[SpankyMcFarland]

Looking at the big picture, Americans seem to be getting the message. Net migration to the Sun Belt is declining and may soon reverse. It already has among the best educated, some seniors and young people. 
 

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If you moved from the Snow Belt to the Sun Belt during the last few years, you might be part of a vanishing breed.

 

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…Sun Belt migration is now skidding to a halt, according to a new working paper from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. As climate change makes warm places hotter and cold places more livable, more Americans are staying put in the North, while others are leaving the South. In coming decades, net migration might flow in the other direction.

“The US population is starting to migrate away from areas increasingly exposed to extreme heat days toward historically colder areas, which are becoming more attractive as extreme cold days become increasingly rare,” economists Sylvain Leduc and Daniel Wilson wrote in the San Francisco Fed paper. “The previous century’s migration pattern from the Snow Belt to the Sun Belt is likely to ultimately be reversed.”

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/climate-change-is-ending-the-sun-belt-boom-162819401.html

 

[User]

11 hours ago, robosmith said:

Democrats were powerless to stop it, just like the Governor of Louisiana was powerless to stop Katrina from flooding New Orleans.

Um. No. 

Not only no, but this is so beyond ignorant, no. 

Fires are not hurricanes. You certainly do have the power to to control, contain, and put out fires. If we didn't, why even bother having a fire department or helicopters and planes to dump water?

Why bother having fire hydrants?

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Anybody quoting the Times of India for a non-Indian story needs their head examined. I’d trust their cricket reports and that’s about it. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Various levels of government seem to have dropped the ball here but are Americans really prepared to give the state the power and resources it needs to minimize (not eliminate) wildfires? That will mean more taxes and the favouring of the public interest over individual rights. Insurance in areas increasingly imperilled by climate change is going to be a hot potato too. If you let the market decide on those rates they are going to become ever more difficult to afford for many homeowners. 

[West]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

And it doesn't mean it has ANY objectivity or credibility.

Being associated with FOS LIES it has no credibility.

No, you've not show a published list of Democrats priorities that put DEI at the top. Duh

And I showed you why that is meaningless. Did you not understand why?

You didn't even have ANY rebuttal.

Another FOS LIES ^"expert" NOT. Kelley is just like you; NOT an expert, and not showing ANY EVIDENCE for her claims.

Democrats were powerless to stop it, just like the Governor of Louisiana was powerless to stop Katrina from flooding New Orleans.

You don't even understand that with LIMITED RESOURCES, NO ONE prepares for the 99.9% level of disaster.

Nor that the combination of factors made those fires a VERY LOW probability event.

IF that was done all over the nation, we'd be bankrupt. Esp when those with 99% of the wealth keep getting tax cuts.

Of course I don't expect a partisan hack like you to ever understand that REALITY cause you never consider the FACTS.

Nothing but opinions from you. 

You deny that news sources have been discussing this story for close to a week now. 

51 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Anybody quoting the Times of India for a non-Indian story needs their head examined. I’d trust their cricket reports and that’s about it. 

There were many that I could choose from based on a simple google search. I watch the nightly news and form opinion based on the reporting through critical thinking. This story has been all over the place since the fires broke. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Water bomber pilots are special people, not quite as out there as the wing suit crowd but not far off either. Hazards abound: smoke, lightning, mountains, sea, drones, other aircraft. This is also an example of a point I’ve made before. Canada will be increasingly important to the US in fighting fires across North America. 
 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 1/10/2025 at 2:24 PM, User said:

Those are things we can change right now. Having water in fire hydrants is something that can be changed right now. Having a better quick reaction force, air craft, and firefighters to get in fast to stop these from growing is something we can do now. Increasing budgets for firefighters, focusing on the mission of putting out fires instead of diversity hires, is something we can do now. 

There’s nothing wrong with adaptation to man-made climate change. Sure, increase budgets for firefighters and adopt a more pro-active approach to trees and vegetation within neighbourhoods. No sensible person would have a problem with that. 
 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, User said:

Fires are not hurricanes. You certainly do have the power to to control, contain, and put out fires. 

Only a fire department with infinite resources would be able to put out all fires before they caused damage. In the new age we are in, some call it the Pyrocene, we have already seen fires way too intense for fire departments to deal with until they burned themselves out. 
 

[User]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Only a fire department with infinite resources would be able to put out all fires before they caused damage. In the new age we are in, some call it the Pyrocene, we have already seen fires way too intense for fire departments to deal with until they burned themselves out. 
 

Good thing we were not talking about putting out all fires before they caused damage. 

That is your impossible strawman creation. 

So... back to the one we are dealing with now, is it your contention that all these firefighters should give up then? No point?

9 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

There’s nothing wrong with adaptation to man-made climate change. Sure, increase budgets for firefighters and adopt a more pro-active approach to trees and vegetation within neighbourhoods. No sensible person would have a problem with that. 
 

 

We are not dealing with sensible people on the left in places like California. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Good thing we were not talking about putting out all fires before they caused damage. 

That is your impossible strawman creation. 

So... back to the one we are dealing with now, is it your contention that all these firefighters should give up then? No point?

We are not dealing with sensible people on the left in places like California. 

Damage from fires in California is only going to increase despite any government intervention to change firefighting resources. Conservatives used to be realistic about the limitations of government. 

[User]

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

Damage from fires in California is only going to increase despite any government intervention to change firefighting resources. Conservatives used to be realistic about the limitations of government. 

No, Conservatives have always been realistic about the basic functions of government to be things like fire and police. 

So... again, why do you keep ignoring the question? Is it because you know it defeats your argument?

The government can in fact reasonably do more to be more prepared to both fight fires and help prevent them or how serious they become. 

 

[West]

9 minutes ago, User said:

No, Conservatives have always been realistic about the basic functions of government to be things like fire and police. 

So... again, why do you keep ignoring the question? Is it because you know it defeats your argument?

The government can in fact reasonably do more to be more prepared to both fight fires and help prevent them or how serious they become. 

 

I find the left to be mostly hypocritical when it comes to this type of stuff. 

They had no problem blaming Trump for Covid, DeSantis for the hurricanes, etc. But when you criticize them for spending valuable tax payers resources on spray painting fire hydrants rainbow colors to virtue signal about the homosexuals and refuse to do proper forestry management around major parts of the civilization to prevent significant incidences like this one they go off. 

Very dishonest people. 

Edited January 12 by West

[herbie]

Whos really to blame for the LA wildfire?

You are West.
For being stupid enough to think some person is to blame.

Perhaps it was the guy who didn't cut down all the trees and pave over the entire State. You know the one they're all talking about. Gotta watch out for them they're out to get us.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, West said:

Nothing but opinions from you. 

Nothing but opinions from you. 

3 hours ago, West said:

You deny that news sources have been discussing this story for close to a week now. 

I deny that you've posted ANYTHING CREDIBLE.

You've referenced a few people, but NOTHING from DEMOCRATS saying DEI is a top priority in hiring.

3 hours ago, West said:

There were many that I could choose from based on a simple google search. I watch the nightly news and form opinion based on the reporting through critical thinking. This story has been all over the place since the fires broke. 

You've posted NOTHING backing your CLAIMS; JUST ALLEGATIONS.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

I find the left to be mostly hypocritical when it comes to this type of stuff. 

They had no problem blaming Trump for Covid, DeSantis for the hurricanes, etc. But when you criticize them for spending valuable tax payers resources on spray painting fire hydrants rainbow colors to virtue signal about the homosexuals and refuse to do proper forestry management around major parts of the civilization to prevent significant incidences like this one they go off. 

Very dishonest people. 

You're the one who's too dishonest to back ^these OPINIONS with FACTS.

[West]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You're the one who's too dishonest to back ^these OPINIONS with FACTS.

This has been a major point of discussion over the past year. If you don't want to participate, then don't. 

[User]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You've referenced a few people, but NOTHING from DEMOCRATS saying DEI is a top priority in hiring.

If you did not have me on ignore like the coward you are, you would have seen I posted an EO from the LA Mayor doing exactly this. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

This has been a major point of discussion over the past year. If you don't want to participate, then don't. 

You claimed with NO EVIDENCE that DEI is a TOP PRIORITY for hiring by Democrats.

"discussion over the past year" is NOT EVIDENCE.

Thanks for admitting YOU HAVE NONE.

[User]

12 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You claimed with NO EVIDENCE that DEI is a TOP PRIORITY for hiring by Democrats.

"discussion over the past year" is NOT EVIDENCE.

Thanks for admitting YOU HAVE NONE.

Yet again, I have already provided the evidence here. The LA Mayor sent out an EO on this several years ago, directing all agencies to prioritize this in hiring. 

You are too big of a coward though and have me on ignore. 

 

[West]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You claimed with NO EVIDENCE that DEI is a TOP PRIORITY for hiring by Democrats.

"discussion over the past year" is NOT EVIDENCE.

Thanks for admitting YOU HAVE NONE.

It's been all over the news clips where they've declared it to be top priority. I'm not going to go through the hastle of cropping out clips for a woketard who's already shown they won't accept the evidence anyway. 

User has also already provided this to you but you are too big of coward to take them off ignore 

Edited January 13 by West

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

It's been all over the news clips where they've declared it to be top priority. I'm not going to go through the hastle of cropping out clips for a woketard who's already shown they won't accept the evidence anyway. 

User has also already provided this to you but you are too big of coward to take them off ignore 

It doesn't take bravery to look at the truth. It is COWARDICE to POST LIES.

Until you post the Dems saying DEI is their top priority, all you got is LIES.