Whos really to blame for the LA wildfire? Donnie or Gavin Newscum who diverts water from its natural path into the ocean and refuses to do any sort of wildfire/forestry management because of faulty woke ideology?

[West]

Newscum trying to deflect from his failed forestry management debacle to Trump and blames Donnie for "climate change". 

Do people still buy giving incompetent people like Newscum more tax dollars is actually going to solve the issues he created to begin with? Sad

Edited January 9 by West

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Not another word salad topic

[robosmith]

38 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Not another word salad topic

Yes, MORE LIES, AS USUAL. 🤮

[SpankyMcFarland]

For wildfires in that part of the world there are immediate causes like downed power lines, lightning strikes and arson, and underlying ones like abundant dried vegetation and unusually strong Santa Ana winds. Obviously, it’s hard to exclude the role climate change is playing here which makes for more vegetation, drier vegetation and stronger winds. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, West said:

Newscum trying to deflect from his failed forestry management debacle to Trump and blames Donnie for "climate change". 

Do people still buy giving incompetent people like Newscum more tax dollars is actually going to solve the issues he created to begin with? Sad

^This guy is an lDIOT. NOONE has "directed billions of gallons of water into the Pacific Ocean." Duh

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

For wildfires in that part of the world there are immediate causes like downed power lines, lightning strikes and arson, and underlying ones like abundant dried vegetation and unusually strong Santa Ana winds. Obviously, it’s hard to exclude the role climate change is playing here which makes for more vegetation, drier vegetation and stronger winds. 

When we have an entire year of cold here: "That's weather, not climate!"

When it gets windy for 1 day in California: "THAT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!" 🤣

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

When we have an entire year of cold here: "That's weather, not climate!"

When it gets windy for 1 day in California: "THAT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!" 🤣

Do you even admit that climate change exists? 

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Not another word salad topic

No, thats for this dizzy b*tch:

 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

When we have an entire year of cold here: "That's weather, not climate!"

It's cold every year there. Haven't you noticed? LMAO

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

When it gets windy for 1 day in California: "THAT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!" 🤣

Multiple EXTREMES breaking long term records are EVIDENCE of climate change.

[impartialobserver]

There are a lot of layers to this. Some can be blamed on politicians and some can't. However for those who think that the water in the North flows to the South obviously have never been to CA. The rivers that feed into LA do not start at Lake Tahoe or anywhere north of that. This is why they have the Owens Valley Project which takes water from the Eastern Sierras (Bishop, Lee Vining) and sends it to LA. 

Edited January 10 by impartialobserver

[SpankyMcFarland]

Governments make mistakes but anybody who thinks another government could have prevented all these fires is living in a dream world. Nature is telling us that certain parts of the globe, eg, Southern California and Southern Florida, are not meant for the vast numbers of people currently there and will become much more hostile in the coming decades. 

[West]

20 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Governments make mistakes but anybody who thinks another government could have prevented all these fires is living in a dream world. Nature is telling us that certain parts of the globe, eg, Southern California and Southern Florida, are not meant for the vast numbers of people currently there and will become much more hostile in the coming decades. 

You mean like a pandemic that was blamed on Trump to win an election? 

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do you even admit that climate change exists? 

Of course it does.

• The sea levels have dramatically risen and fallen over the past few hundred million years.
• There was an ice age, with a mile-high sheet of ice over Boston, which is south of where I live. 

It's ridiculous to pretend that the climate hasn't gone through mind-boggling changes.

But actual climatologists don't believe Kerry, Gore, Greta and DiCaprio, and neither do I.

[Deluge]

On 1/8/2025 at 8:27 PM, West said:

Newscum trying to deflect from his failed forestry management debacle to Trump and blames Donnie for "climate change". 

Do people still buy giving incompetent people like Newscum more tax dollars is actually going to solve the issues he created to begin with? Sad

Newscum's beside himself. He isn't used to being blamed for his incompetence, and now he has no idea what to do. 

Tell ya what, Gav, come on over to the left-wing cry closet. It won't help you any, but it will give some of us a good laugh!  

Edited January 10 by Deluge

[impartialobserver]

The issue with the hydrants was that they were prepared for 3 million gallons which is more than enough... 99% of the time. the actual demand on that day was in excess of 12 million gallons. So no the hydrants were not deliberately shut off. Yes, 200 of the 1100 went dry because they were not equipped to give full water allotment to each. The logistics of this date back to the 1960's when LA was fairly Conservative.. 

[User]

Even IF we accept the climate change alarmism from the left... OK, so what?

Is your plan that we have to wait 100 years for the climate change plans to slowly curb the increase in global warming to work?

How about we acknowledge that these areas in California are dry, they are prone to high winds and fire risk, and oh... I don't know, maybe have some better fire prevention and fighting plans in place to deal with these when they do happen. 

Those are things we can change right now. Having water in fire hydrants is something that can be changed right now. Having a better quick reaction force, air craft, and firefighters to get in fast to stop these from growing is something we can do now. Increasing budgets for firefighters, focusing on the mission of putting out fires instead of diversity hires, is something we can do now. 

 

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The issue with the hydrants was that they were prepared for 3 million gallons which is more than enough... 99% of the time. the actual demand on that day was in excess of 12 million gallons. So no the hydrants were not deliberately shut off. Yes, 200 of the 1100 went dry because they were not equipped to give full water allotment to each. The logistics of this date back to the 1960's when LA was fairly Conservative.. 

Thanks partial. 

Did you let Newsom and that air head mayor of LA know? They don't know what in the f*ck is going on.

[impartialobserver]

there is no quantifiable evidence that the DEI hires in the LA fire department came up short on this. The fire hydrants running dry was not their call (and never has been). The decision to only have 3 million gallons available (which is more than enough most of the time) comes from a different place (hint.. it is not the governor). 

[SpankyMcFarland]

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course it does.

• The sea levels have dramatically risen and fallen over the past few hundred million years.
• There was an ice age, with a mile-high sheet of ice over Boston, which is south of where I live. 

It's ridiculous to pretend that the climate hasn't gone through mind-boggling changes.

But actual climatologists don't believe Kerry, Gore, Greta and DiCaprio, and neither do I.

Unfortunately, you are wrong about that and there’s no room for debate any more. The scientific evidence is overwhelming. Man-made climate change is a grim reality and it’s only going to get much worse. Anybody living in the likes of LA or Southern Florida would be well advised to get out now if they can. 

[User]

4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

there is no quantifiable evidence that the DEI hires in the LA fire department came up short on this. The fire hydrants running dry was not their call (and never has been). The decision to only have 3 million gallons available (which is more than enough most of the time) comes from a different place (hint.. it is not the governor). 

They came up short in that they take away from the primary focus of what we have firefighters for. 

Fire departments exist to fight fires, not promote DEI. 

When everyone is spending $$$, time, and resources on DEI and putting that in their bio as what they are focused on, that is all the less $$$, time, and resources... and focus, that is not on fighting fire.

 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Unfortunately, you are wrong about that and there’s no room for debate any more. The scientific evidence is overwhelming. Man-made climate change is a grim reality and it’s only going to get much worse. Anybody living in the likes of LA or Southern Florida would be well advised to get out now if they can. 

After a whole year of Canada being colder than normal, leftists say "That's just weather, it's not climate", but 1 day of wind = "CLIMATE CHANGE!!!" 🤣

F'ing tool. 

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

Thanks partial. 

Did you let Newsom and that air head mayor of LA know? They don't know what in the f*ck is going on.

Most state governors do not know the finer details of the water system. Our state governor in Nevada has no clue either. As for the mayor, I can't speak to that. She may have known of their only having 3 million gallons available. The reservoirs in the LA water shed are not full but are doing better than in years past. Also... the water that LA uses does not from the San Joaquin/Sacramento/Lake Tahoe so any dumb comments about the smelt are just dumb. Yes, they do get water from the Sierras but you have to look South for that.. ie Owens Valley Project. 

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

there is no quantifiable evidence that the DEI hires in the LA fire department came up short on this. The fire hydrants running dry was not their call (and never has been). The decision to only have 3 million gallons available (which is more than enough most of the time) comes from a different place (hint.. it is not the governor). 

Well who is it, partial? Who makes the decisions? Is it the EPA? Are they the dipshits that diverted all that freshwater into the ocean just to save a species of fish? 

[impartialobserver]

5 minutes ago, User said:

They came up short in that they take away from the primary focus of what we have firefighters for. 

Fire departments exist to fight fires, not promote DEI. 

When everyone is spending $$$, time, and resources on DEI and putting that in their bio as what they are focused on, that is all the less $$$, time, and resources... and focus, that is not on fighting fire.

 

If you have some quantifiable evidence then put it forth. 

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Well who is it, partial? Who makes the decisions? Is it the EPA? Are they the dipshits that diverted all that freshwater into the ocean just to save a species of fish? 

Janisse Quiñones, the newly appointed chief executive officer and chief engineer of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. This is who makes the call on the available water supply for hydrants. As for diverting water.. you should look at a map. The smelt is in the San Joaquin (Stockton, Sacramento, Fairfield).. that's a long ways from LA.

Now as for the state's forest management, that is a problem. That was not relevant here because it was a very urban setting. The forest management policies are bad but only because they did not prioritize it. Lack of funding sent that way. They have slowly started to change their ways though. You see crews in Plumas, Lassen, and Modoc County often clearing underbrush and having controlled burns. 

Edited January 10 by impartialobserver