Scott75 Posted January 1 Report Posted January 1 Interesting article I just looked through today, thought others here might find it interesting as well. Quoting the first few paragraphs below: ** By Greg Hunter On January 1, 2025 Catherine Austin Fitts (CAF), Publisher of The Solari Report, says the real work for the Trump Administration is happening now. CAF is a financial expert and former Assistant Secretary of Housing (Bush 41 Admin.) who managed hundreds of billions of dollars in her career. CAF says this is a fight within the Trump Administration that is summed up by those who will fight for freedom and sovereignty and those who want America under Deep State control. CAF explains, “You had a lot of people who voted for Trump that wanted to see him protect freedoms. You also have a lot of people voting and donating for Trump because they think he can get them the control grid. The centralization and decentralization are both hoping Trump will give them what they want. . . . Trump has to do something that works economically. The first day, Trump will be asked to fill the top 10 or 20 positions. Ultimately, after you fill the cabinet and the other top positions, then there are another 10,000 positions to be filled. The President does 1,000 positions, and those thousand do the rest of about 10,000 positions. The guys who want the control grid are trying to get their people in place. The guys who want freedom are trying to get their people in place. . . . After you get the people in place, it’s going to have to be battled out one policy at a time. . . . So, this is trench warfare, and it’s not going to be decided by the election. It’s going to be decided by the staffing and the policy debate that happens day after day. The corruption that has to be cleaned up is huge. Take the recent announcement of royalties being paid to a government health agency — the National Institutes of Health (NIH). CAF says, “The NIH is receiving $1.1 billion from Pfizer–BioNTech for the Covid vaccine shots.” Ed Dowd says we just added a fresh 800,000 disabled people to the 4 million disabled since the CV19 shots were introduced. The total amount of disabled people in the US from the CV19 vax now stands at 4.8 million. CAF points out Dr. Mark Skidmore (Michigan State) just published a study that says if we could go back to the disability numbers of 2010 and before, the US could reduce the federal deficit by $500 billion a year!! CAF says, “If you connect the dots with Ed Dowd, Dr. Skidmore’s study and the announcement of Pfizer paying royalties to NIH, we are paying NIH a billion dollars to poison the American people and bankrupting the country.” ** Full article: https://usawatchdog.com/trump-admin-fight-between-freedom-deep-state-control-catherine-austin-fitts/ Quote
Nationalist Posted January 1 Report Posted January 1 Which all serves to further prove the "deep state" exists and needs to be destroyed. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
cannuck Posted January 1 Report Posted January 1 It not only exists, it is flourishing with the unholy alliance between Wall Street and the Beltway. IMHO: biggest problem is Trump is but one aligator in that swamp...you know - the one he was going to drain in his first term. He has a back room, shared with much of the Uniparty and THAT is who/what runs the show. At least Bessent is one (small) step removed from Goldman Sucks. Quote
Scott75 Posted January 1 Author Report Posted January 1 57 minutes ago, cannuck said: It not only exists, it is flourishing with the unholy alliance between Wall Street and the Beltway. IMHO: biggest problem is Trump is but one aligator in that swamp...you know - the one he was going to drain in his first term. He has a back room, shared with much of the Uniparty and THAT is who/what runs the show. At least Bessent is one (small) step removed from Goldman Sucks. I don't know about Bessent yet, but I'm really hoping that RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard become part of Trump's cabinet. RFK Jr. for his work on health and Tulsi Gabbard for her recognizing the folly of going head to head with Russia in Ukraine. Quote
robosmith Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 9 hours ago, Nationalist said: Which all serves to further prove the "deep state" exists and needs to be destroyed. "The deep state" is what makes government work. AKA the brains and expertise that ^you don't have. 6 hours ago, Scott75 said: I don't know about Bessent yet, but I'm really hoping that RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard become part of Trump's cabinet. RFK Jr. for his work on health and Tulsi Gabbard for her recognizing the folly of going head to head with Russia in Ukraine. Gabbard has ZERO experience in intelligence and RFK knows NOTHING about the science he's trying to RUIN. 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 29 minutes ago, robosmith said: 9 hours ago, Nationalist said: Which all serves to further prove the "deep state" exists and needs to be destroyed. "The deep state" is what makes government work. AKA the brains and expertise that ^you don't have. I think that in order to discuss the deep state, we're first going to have to define it. I have a brief article that I think does a good job of it. Quoting the relevant section: ** In the midst of election season, conversations revolving around the levers of power become more frequent, and in the case of a U.S. presidential election, that often includes debates around the so-called “deep state.” Joining host Robert Scheer on this episode of Scheer Intelligence, Professors Charles Derber and Yale Magrass discuss their new book, “Who Owns Democracy?: The Real Deep State and the Struggle Over Class and Caste in America.” There are many interpretations of what the ‘deep state’ actually represents in government, but Magrass offers a clear definition, breaking it down into two parts: the official state and the deep state. The official state, according to Magrass, consists of the elected officials people know very well, who are always in the media spotlight and soak in the blame for the issues that arise from their perceived rule. Meanwhile, the deep state operates largely unnoticed, with the official state serving as cover. “It gives free reign to corporations, free reign to the very rich, and they can more or less do whatever they want, with the official state carrying almost all the blame for what happens,” Magrass says. ** Source: https://scheerpost.com/2024/09/27/how-deep-does-the-deep-state-go/ By this definition, I think it's clear that it's not a good thing. 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 32 minutes ago, robosmith said: 7 hours ago, Scott75 said: I don't know about Bessent yet, but I'm really hoping that RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard become part of Trump's cabinet. RFK Jr. for his work on health and Tulsi Gabbard for her recognizing the folly of going head to head with Russia in Ukraine. Gabbard has ZERO experience in intelligence and RFK knows NOTHING about the science he's trying to RUIN. Gabbard was a military colonel in the Army reserve and has shown that she knows quite a bit about American foreign policy in interviews she's given. John Kiriakou, a former CIA counterterrorism officer and a former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, wrote an article about her in September that was fairly positive in regards to her becoming the Director of National Intelligence. Quoting the introductory summary and conclusion of the article below: ** We need someone in the post willing to rein in the neocon intelligence and foreign policy establishments when they urge the president to double down on military action based on phony or incomplete intelligence. [snip] The bottom line in my view is that Trump appears to be serious in his desire to change the country’s foreign and intelligence policy. He appears to be serious about shaking up the intelligence community. He appears to be serious about bringing foreign conflicts in which the U.S. is involved to a close. Those are all good things for those of us who support a change to the pro-war status quo that is the military-industrial complex. We can certainly disagree with Donald Trump on a thousand other issues. But on Tulsi Gabbard, he got it right. ** Source: https://consortiumnews.com/2024/11/15/john-kiriakou-gabbard-could-help-change-us-foreign-policy/ 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 "Deep State" is a loaded political term like "gravy train". It is simultaneously true and false. Meaningful and meaningless. You can use it to campaign forever since the problem can't be fixed, the swamp can't be drained. This Fitts person alleges some extraordinary things, namely that the security apparatus secretly steals massive amounts from other departments' budgets. True? Well she supported Trump before, and apparently nothing about this was found to be reported. So, show me the goods. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Scott75 Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 38 minutes ago, robosmith said: RFK knows NOTHING about the science he's trying to RUIN. Absolute balderdash. RFK has been a beacon of light when it comes to shedding light on the corruption in regulatory agencies for health in the U.S. Even those who aren't a fan of his research regarding vaccines recognize his benefits: https://cepr.net/rfk-jr-physicians-pay-schedules-and-the-elites-big-lie/ As for those of us who have been admiring the work of the web site he founded, Children's Health Defense, in regards to the vaccine research they've been doing during what I'll call the Covid times, I can't think of a better candidate. They're constantly coming out with new articles on the subject. This one came out in December: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/university-of-california-covid-vaccine-lawsuit-moves-forward/ 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 (edited) 11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: "Deep State" is a loaded political term like "gravy train". It is simultaneously true and false. Meaningful and meaningless. You can use it to campaign forever since the problem can't be fixed, the swamp can't be drained. This Fitts person alleges some extraordinary things, namely that the security apparatus secretly steals massive amounts from other departments' budgets. True? Well she supported Trump before, and apparently nothing about this was found to be reported. So, show me the goods. I've seen Fitts in the past and I like her work. That being said, I've only seen her tangentially, as clips in a documentary, for instance. As to Trump, I'm actually not a fan in many ways, I just like the fact that he picked RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard for his cabinet. In regards to money in general, I think a great starter documentary would be this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nBPN-MKefA Edited January 2 by Scott75 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 14 hours ago, Scott75 said: I've seen Fitts in the past and I like her work. Why ? Her claims are pretty extreme however she WAS on the inside. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Matthew Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 Deep state is a marketing term used on the right to describe a normal functioning modern administrative bureaucracy that is 99% merit-based professionals rather than patronage positions loyal to a party. They presumably want more of it to be patronage positions because no field of science or of proper effective organizational management would ever do their bad policy ideas. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 13 minutes ago, Matthew said: Deep state is a marketing term used on the right to describe a normal functioning modern administrative bureaucracy that is 99% merit-based professionals rather than patronage positions loyal to a party. They presumably want more of it to be patronage positions because no field of science or of proper effective organizational management would ever do their bad policy ideas. Sure, but also it's real. Trying to change it... formidable task. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Scott75 Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: 16 hours ago, Scott75 said: I've seen Fitts in the past and I like her work. That being said, I've only seen her tangentially, as clips in a documentary, for instance. As to Trump, I'm actually not a fan in many ways, I just like the fact that he picked RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard for his cabinet. In regards to money in general, I think a great starter documentary would be this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nBPN-MKefA Why ? Her claims are pretty extreme however she WAS on the inside. Yes, she was. I was thinking of not mentioning where I first took note of her, because of the controversial nature of the documentary, but I've decided to mention it- in a documentary called Thrive. The documentary gets into certain conspiracy theories on free energy and alien life, things Fitts doesn't get into at all, she focuses solely on monetary issues, but she made a good impression on me from that point. You can see the Thrive trailer here: If you'd like to see the full documentary, it can be seen here: https://www.freetothrive.com/movie/thrive/ Fitts just says a little bit on economic policy a little after the 1 hour and 53 minute mark. I suspect I've seen her in another documentary as well, perhaps in The Money Masters. Edited January 2 by Scott75 1 Quote
Scott75 Posted January 2 Author Report Posted January 2 50 minutes ago, Matthew said: Deep state is a marketing term used on the right to describe a normal functioning modern administrative bureaucracy that is 99% merit-based professionals rather than patronage positions loyal to a party. They presumably want more of it to be patronage positions because no field of science or of proper effective organizational management would ever do their bad policy ideas. It isn't just Trump supporters who believe in the deep state. Chris Hedges, who's always been on the left and was never a fan of Trump, mentions it as well. He brought it up shortly after Trump won his first federal election back in 2016: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/chris-hedges-on-how-the-deep-state-will-influence-the-trump-presidency/ Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 37 minutes ago, Scott75 said: ...the controversial nature of the documentary... From the folks I recognize on that trailer, the movie is pure space junk... designed for people who have no idea how to analyze or critique our actual systems. Ask yourself this: -If this is a framework for improving our world, why doesn't it mention all the convention wisdom, institutions, and individuals who have helped us ? -Why the emotional music and voice over ? -Why do they not (I assume) provide a counter-point to talk about the flaws with the various disparate theories that they will present ? We have the tools to make the world better, but from the trailer, I doubt they're interested in keeping what works. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 37 minutes ago, Scott75 said: It isn't just Trump supporters who believe in the deep state. Chris Hedges, who's always been on the left and was never a fan of Trump, mentions it as well. He brought it up shortly after Trump won his first federal election back in 2016: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/chris-hedges-on-how-the-deep-state-will-influence-the-trump-presidency/ Yeah, deep state is real. So is 'waste' 'corruption' and so on... It doesn't seem to be getting better though so I would say just pointing out that it exists isn't helping. I would say that you need this: -An agreed-upon metricked framework to assess how we're doing, set up before we start and hopefully from existing sources -A set of people with knowledge of the system, as well as public access to such people, to lay out a series of plans/discussions on what can be done. Such people need to be arm's length from the current system -Periodic check-in as to what's happening -Finally, a true "public" with patience and wisdom to give responsible feedback and accept that they won't get their way most of the time Something like that. Videos about floating space cubes to solve our problems are laughable. I say this with due respect as you yourself seem to be at least a little skeptical Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Matthew Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Scott75 said: It isn't just Trump supporters who believe in the deep state. Again it's just a marketing term to make something basic and ordinary seem like a hidden conspiracy so as to better exploit their poorly informed and poirly educated supporters. But you are right that attacking expert technocrats is not unique to the far right. Socialists have also long done that. But at the current moment their influence in any political party is practically nonexistent. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Yeah, deep state is real. It must be like dark matter then where we only call it dark because we can't see it and can only infer it's existence by the effect it has on ordinary matter. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 9 minutes ago, eyeball said: It must be like dark matter then where we only call it dark because we can't see it and can only infer it's existence by the effect it has on ordinary matter. Well we know it exists but not how much it matters. So, your analogy is apt. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Well we know it exists but not how much it matters. So, your analogy is apt. Yeah well, take away dark matter and the universe as we know it wouldn't exist - couldn't exist without it or something like it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 Just now, eyeball said: Yeah well, take away dark matter and the universe as we know it wouldn't exist - couldn't exist without it or something like it. So they think. Probably true, as with the "Deep State" .... but ... also depending how it's defined. The lady stamping my license renewal form shouldn't be classified Deep State otherwise it's a nonsense convo. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: The lady stamping my license renewal form shouldn't be classified Deep State otherwise it's a nonsense convo. I think it's safe to assume that whatever else the Deepstate is it's left-wing. It must be Beelzebub and the legions of Hell. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 32 minutes ago, eyeball said: I think it's safe to assume that whatever else the Deepstate is it's left-wing. It must be Beelzebub and the legions of Hell. Left wing by post 1989 standards maybe. But they are programmed to defer to private entities if/when they are told. Bureaucrats may be left-ish but they probably all agree that socialism doesn't work. After all look where they work. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
robosmith Posted January 2 Report Posted January 2 22 hours ago, Scott75 said: Gabbard was a military colonel in the Army reserve and has shown that she knows quite a bit about American foreign policy in interviews she's given. John Kiriakou, a former CIA counterterrorism officer and a former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, wrote an article about her in September that was fairly positive in regards to her becoming the Director of National Intelligence. Quoting the introductory summary and conclusion of the article below: ** We need someone in the post willing to rein in the neocon intelligence and foreign policy establishments when they urge the president to double down on military action based on phony or incomplete intelligence. [snip] The bottom line in my view is that Trump appears to be serious in his desire to change the country’s foreign and intelligence policy. He appears to be serious about shaking up the intelligence community. He appears to be serious about bringing foreign conflicts in which the U.S. is involved to a close. Those are all good things for those of us who support a change to the pro-war status quo that is the military-industrial complex. We can certainly disagree with Donald Trump on a thousand other issues. But on Tulsi Gabbard, he got it right. ** Source: https://consortiumnews.com/2024/11/15/john-kiriakou-gabbard-could-help-change-us-foreign-policy/ She has NO EXPERIENCE working in INTELLIGENCE. Because of that FACT, she would be a bull in the china shop, not understanding the harm she's doing. Quote
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