Dad Arrested for Killing Daughter's Rapist

[User]

24 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Those "changes" have done absolutely nothing to curtail school shootings. In fact, school shootings have risen dramatically since 2012. 

Amazing how no one is going after police stations... hmm... just can't imagine why. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, User said:

You don't get anything. You would rather see those kids die than see someone there to protect them. 

Worse, he would rather see them dead than try and stop the killers. A whole bunch of solutions to help catch killers before they become murderers was proposed in this thread and he blew them all off. I provided tons of proof, some only days old, of children being killed in schools and elsewhere by things that weren't guns and showed that it's actually fairly common. So banning guns would not help.

But he ignores this. He is absolutely fine with dead people and dead children provided he can speak against guns. The children themselves mean nothing to him. He would be very sad if people stopped killing children with guns because he'd have less chance to rail against them. 

[Aristides]

23 minutes ago, User said:

You don't get anything. You would rather see those kids die than see someone there to protect them. 

You would rather turn your schools into armed fortresses like some 3rd world country than do something real to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.

Life is full of choices, you have obviously made yours.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Aristides

[User]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You would rather turn your schools into armed fortresses like some 3rd world country than do something real to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.

Life is full of choices, you have obviously made yours.

The issue is protecting kids. I am all for that. You... would rather see them die, because you want to sensationalize putting an SRO into a school as making them a 3rd world fortress. 

 

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, User said:

The issue is protecting kids. I am all for that. You... would rather see them die, because you want to sensationalize putting an SRO into a school as making them a 3rd world fortress. 

 

Do what you want, shootouts in your schools between SRO's and shooters will be good entertainment on the evening news. Not so much for your kids though. But hey, no "innocent" people will be inconvenienced.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Aristides

[User]

Just now, Aristides said:

Do what you want, shootouts in your schools between SRO's and shooters will be good entertainment on the evening news. Not so much for your kids though. But hey, no "innocent" people will be inconvenienced.

So, again, you would rather see dead children, all the dead children a bad guy wants to kill before he decides to stop or runs out of ammo... because you don't want anyone to shoot back?

Brilliant. 

 

[CdnFox]

Just now, User said:

So, again, you would rather see dead children, all the dead children a bad guy wants to kill before he decides to stop or runs out of ammo... because you don't want anyone to shoot back?

Brilliant. 

 

If they didn't yell about guns then they'd have to look at the real problems and nobody's got that kind of time 🙄

[Aristides]

58 minutes ago, User said:

So, again, you would rather see dead children, all the dead children a bad guy wants to kill before he decides to stop or runs out of ammo... because you don't want anyone to shoot back?

Brilliant. 

 

How may SRO’s do you think should be in each school? Any shooter with any brains will learn a SRO’s routine and take him out first when he is most vulnerable. The shooter will also have the element of surprise and will likely be better armed. He will also have the advantage of not expecting to be alive at the end of the day. But no “innocent” people will be inconvenienced.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Aristides

[User]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

How may SRO’s do you think should be in each school? Any shooter with any brains will learn a SRO’s routine and take him out first when he is most vulnerable. The shooter will also have the element of surprise and will likely be better armed. He will also have the advantage of not expecting to be alive at the end of the day. But no “innocent” people will be inconvenienced.

Yeah, for sure. Some kid who is having mental issues and decided this was the day to go to school and shoot up his classmates is totally a Machiavellian genius who is going to take on a trained LEO... after the big masterminded plan to take him out first. 

Also, good thing I proposed more than SRO's in a school too...

 

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, User said:

Yeah, for sure. Some kid who is having mental issues and decided this was the day to go to school and shoot up his classmates is totally a Machiavellian genius who is going to take on a trained LEO... after the big masterminded plan to take him out first. 

Also, good thing I proposed more than SRO's in a school too...

 

If you say so. 🙄
I’m just astonished that it’s your first choice and won’t consider any other options. That doesn’t seem very sane to me either.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Aristides

[User]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

If you say so. 🙄
I’m just astonished that it’s your first choice and won’t consider any other options. That doesn’t seem very sane to me either.

Well, folks like you don’t seem to have the first clue about self defense or responding to threats.

The way that an active shooter is stopped… is to have someone there to stop them.

Otherwise, they keep killing people until they want to stop or they can’t continue.

You are more interested in hating guns than protecting kids. 

 

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, User said:

Well, folks like you don’t seem to have the first clue about self defense or responding to threats.

The way that an active shooter is stopped… is to have someone there to stop them.

Otherwise, they keep killing people until they want to stop or they can’t continue.

You are more interested in hating guns than protecting kids. 

 

All you are interested in doing is trying to treat symptoms so you can avoid dealing with the causes. Anyone should be able to understand that mental illness combined with easy access to guns is a recipe for disaster but you don’t seem interested in doing anything about either. This is a world you helped build, not one that was imposed on you.

Edited December 22, 2024 by Aristides

[gatomontes99]

45 minutes ago, Aristides said:

All you are interested in doing is trying to treat symptoms so you can avoid dealing with the causes. Anyone should be able to understand that mental illness combined with easy access to guns is a recipe for disaster but you don’t seem interested in doing anything about either. This is a world you helped build, not one that was imposed on you.

Why do you insist on punishing people that are never going to use their weapons inappropriately? Do we ban sugar because some are obese? Cars because some will speed? Alcohol because some will drink and drive? Where do you draw the line when it comes to punishing the responsible for what someone else might do?

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Why do you insist on punishing people that are never going to use their weapons inappropriately? Do we ban sugar because some are obese? Cars because some will speed? Alcohol because some will drink and drive? Where do you draw the line when it comes to punishing the responsible for what someone else might do?

Why do you insist on punishing your children by making them fear going to school? 

Edited December 22, 2024 by Aristides

[gatomontes99]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Why do you insist on punishing your children by making them fear going to school? 

They don't fear going to school. You are more likely to get by lightning than be shot at a school.

 

 

 

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

They don't fear going to school. You are more likely to get by lightning than be shot at a school.

 

 

 

Ya, you tell them that, I'm sure they will be comforted. No kid should have to be doing active shooter drills in order to go to school. They won't get hit by lightening when they are in school. Why don't you stick to examples you can do something about.

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

All you are interested in doing is trying to treat symptoms so you can avoid dealing with the causes. Anyone should be able to understand that mental illness combined with easy access to guns is a recipe for disaster but you don’t seem interested in doing anything about either. This is a world you helped build, not one that was imposed on you.

Treat the symptoms?

Yeah, putting a lifeguard at a swimming pool is just as much treating the symptoms of drowning. I suppose you think we should ban all swimming pools? Make it illegal to boat recreationally, go to the lake, or go to the beach to swim.

I live in the real world and I am providing real solutions to protect kids. 

You just want to hate guns. 

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ya, you tell them that, I'm sure they will be comforted. No kid should have to be doing active shooter drills in order to go to school. They won't get hit by lightening when they are in school. Why don't you stick to examples you can do something about.

No kid should have to do fire drills either, but we live in a world where fires burn buildings down. 

[User]

32 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Why do you insist on punishing your children by making them fear going to school? 

We don't. You are the one fear mongering. 

As it has been pointed out, getting shot in school is extremely rare. 

Kids have a greater chance of dying in the vehicle on their way to school. 

[Fluffypants]

19 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

They don't fear going to school. You are more likely to get by lightning than be shot at a school.

 

 

 

People don't get the scale of the our school system, there are over 100k schools and over 49million students in the US the chances that you would actually be shot in a schools shooting is miniscule. 101 students were wounded with 21 fatalities and that includes gang related shootings and not just your disgruntled student.

[Aristides]

14 minutes ago, User said:

We don't. You are the one fear mongering. 

As it has been pointed out, getting shot in school is extremely rare. 

Kids have a greater chance of dying in the vehicle on their way to school. 

So why did 96% of your schools have written procedures for active shooter drills in the 2019-20 school year? Is that fear mongering too? Isn't putting armed LEO's  in your schools to protect kids from shooters fear mongering too?

Edited December 22, 2024 by Aristides

[User]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So why did 96% of your schools have written procedures for active shooter drills in the 2019-20 school year? Is that fear mongering too? Isn't putting armed LEO's  in your schools to protect kids from shooters fear mongering too?

Building fires in modern structures with modern fire impression systems that result in any kind of deaths are extremely rare. 

So... why do we still do fire drills? 

I am not the one calling these things fear-mongering. You are. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

47 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 Isn't putting armed LEO's  in your schools to protect kids from shooters fear mongering too?

 

I was curious about this so I googled and this was the first graph I found. 

Dealing with one of the top safety risks is not fear mongering.

 

https://www.kff.org/mental-health/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/

 

Edited December 22, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Ya, you tell them that, I'm sure they will be comforted. No kid should have to be doing active shooter drills in order to go to school. They won't get hit by lightening when they are in school. Why don't you stick to examples you can do something about.

They do tornado and fire drills too. Should we make the buildings out of noncombustabke materials with no electricity or gas and all underground so they don't have that fear too? Kids process danger and the liklihood of danger very well and they fully understand the drills are just drills.

[Michael Hardner]

Edited to add: a poster said that children are more likely to die in a motor vehicle crash.

Seems to be generally true.

But... then there is threat #2 to consider...

[Aristides]

52 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

They do tornado and fire drills too. Should we make the buildings out of noncombustabke materials with no electricity or gas and all underground so they don't have that fear too? Kids process danger and the liklihood of danger very well and they fully understand the drills are just drills.

Are tornados human caused, are arsonists a problem when your kids are in school?