A simple solution to reduce the number of murders in Canada

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Once crime is blamed on an imaginary thing like the "American Woke Virus," it's time to bow out of this conversation.

From the people that brought you "it's society's fault they commit crimes" and  "the residential schools may have closed 60 years ago but if your grandfather went to one then it's generational damage. "

[I am Groot]

ABout those civilian casualties in Gaza...

 

[I am Groot]

David Frum made an excellent point on being 'generous' against criminals years ago.

 

https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1870917231175204984

 

Edited December 23, 2024 by I am Groot

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40 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

ABout those civilian casualties in Gaza...

 

What does this happen to do with the thread title?

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

What does this happen to do with the thread title?

It has to do with what half the discussion on the thread is about.

Hamas found to be exaggerating (lying) about death numbers.

The report — titled, “Questionable Counting: Analysing the Death Toll From the Hamas-Run Ministry of Health in Gaza” — includes a meticulous analysis of casualty figures released by Hamas since the October 7 massacre that sparked the ongoing war in Gaza, along with a third-party media analysis on how the numbers have been reported.

It found “widespread inaccuracies and distortion in the data collection process” used by the Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH), including “significant daily increases in the reported deaths of women and children that are mathematically impossible.”

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/exposing-hamass-phony-casualty-statistics

[BeaverFever]

On 12/19/2024 at 1:29 PM, blackbird said:

keep the murderers behind bars or just release them after a relatively short period in prison, which is rarely or never the case.

FTFY

[BeaverFever]

On 12/22/2024 at 8:58 PM, I am Groot said:

ABout those civilian casualties in Gaza...

 

Numbers seem dubious. 

[BeaverFever]

On 12/22/2024 at 11:00 AM, I am Groot said:

offers gentle slaps on the wrist to non-white offenders - who are the majority of violent criminals.

1) This is false. The absolute majority of violent criminals are still white. Some non-white groups are proportionately higher but whites are still the majority of violent offenders. 
 

2) violent offenders don’t receive “ gentle slaps on the wrist” for being non /white

3) historically non-whites are more likely than whites to receive longer sentences for a similar offence.  Plus they are more likely to be arbitrarily stopped by police in the first place, more likely to be arrested for minor offences, more likely to receive a serious criminal charge, and more likely to be convicted than white people in similar circumstances  

 

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

1) This is false. The absolute majority of violent criminals are still white. Some non-white groups are proportionately higher but whites are still the majority of violent offenders. 

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

 

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

2) violent offenders don’t receive “ gentle slaps on the wrist” for being non /white

The James Smith Cree Nation murders would suggest otherwise.

 

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

2) violent offenders don’t receive “ gentle slaps on the wrist” for being non /white

They absolutely do. This is enshrined in law:

 Canadian law requires sentencing judges to consider the unique circumstances of Aboriginal offenders when imposing a sentence. This is due to section 718.2(e) of the Criminal Code, which was passed in 1996 to address the high incarceration rates of Indigenous people in Canada. 

The considerations required by section 718.2(e) are known as the “Gladue principles”. These principles include: 
Considering the offender's unique background and circumstances, such as the history of colonialism, residential schools, and displacement 

Considering all reasonable alternatives to incarceration, with a particular focus on Aboriginal offenders 
Considering the offender's current needs and strengths, and the best ways to address their challenges 
Considering perspectives from the offender's family and community about healing and ways to address harm 

The Gladue principles apply to anyone who self-identifies as Indigenous, Metis, First Nations, Aboriginal, or Inuit, regardless of whether they live on or off reserve or have a status card. 

 

This has been applied hundreds of times at this point and yes, they often get severely reduced sentences as a result. 

 

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They absolutely do. This is enshrined in law:

There's nothing in the Gladue principles that mention whiteness or skin colour at all.

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The Gladue principles apply to anyone who self-identifies as Indigenous, Metis, First Nations, Aboriginal, or Inuit, regardless of whether they live on or off reserve or have a status card. 

You make it sound like all anyone really has to do is self-identify as being non-white.

I bet you're more pink than white btw.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

There's nothing in the Gladue principles that mention whiteness or skin colour at all.

You don't think first nations have a skin colour?

LOL that made number 123 on the list of dumbest things you've ever said   

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You make it sound like all anyone really has to do is self-identify as being non-white.

Uhhhh, that was still the quote from the gov't website so....

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I bet you're more pink than white btw.

Oh i think we all know that you're the pinko around here   LOL  As for me, i self identify as  "Spiceyyyy". 

[eyeball]

40 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You don't think first nations have a skin colour?

I know the Gladue principles don't care.

[BeaverFever]

8 hours ago, I am Groot said:

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

 

The James Smith Cree Nation murders would suggest otherwise.

 

Number, percentage and rate of persons accused of homicide, by racialized identity group, gender and region^{1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510020701

non-racialized groups are the vast majority : 413 out of 595. Perhaps there’s an inconvenient explanation to why the police choose to only put non-whites on their “most wanted” list?  I guess all those violent bikers who are always murdering each other are just a bunch of sweet fellas out for some wholesome fun. 
 

As for James Smith Cree nation there’s no evidence he was given a light sentence because of his race. He got stat release from his previous sentence after serving 2/3rd like anyone else and was supposed to be living in Saskatoon but was a fugitive at the time of the stabbings. It was actually the RCMP who failed to follow up or work with the cree nation community where unbeknownst to them he was suspected to be hiding out.  Nobody ever notified the nation that he was released, at large and potentially living in one of their communities (there are multiple in the nation) as was supposed to be living in Saskatoon. 

Edited December 25, 2024 by BeaverFever

[CdnFox]

On 12/24/2024 at 11:52 AM, eyeball said:

I know the Gladue principles don't care.

Sure they do. So what you're saying is you know nothing  

 

 

 

 

 

[I am Groot]

On 12/24/2024 at 7:39 PM, BeaverFever said:

Number, percentage and rate of persons accused of homicide, by racialized identity group, gender and region^{1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510020701

non-racialized groups are the vast majority : 413 out of 595. Perhaps there’s an inconvenient explanation to why the police choose to only put non-whites on their “most wanted” list?  I guess all those violent bikers who are always murdering each other are just a bunch of sweet fellas out for some wholesome fun. 

Can't remember the last news story about biker shootouts, but black drug dealers and gang members seem to do it daily. There's something missing from this report and it has to do with how the federal government defines things like 'visible minority' and 'racialized'. 

It doesn't include indigenous people. Who commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime.

According to a quick goggle search, they committed 33% of homicides in 2023. Now if you check your own cite but reformat it under % it shows that 30.5% were by 'racialized' people. Add 33% by Indigenous people and you get 63.5% 

The reason whites aren't on those wanted posters is likely because most of the homicides they commit are partner-related and quickly solved with an immediate or almost immediate arrest. People not involved in crime would normally find it a lot harder to hide from police than those who are.

 

[paradox34]

On 12/19/2024 at 8:33 PM, Aristides said:

Our homicide rates compared to the gun loons south of us say otherwise.  So does every other country with sensible gun laws.

Nonsense. Statically every country with "sensible" gun laws has seen either no change or an increase in gun violence. Criminals don't fear the police or justice system they must be taught to fear their victims. As a side note Switzerland where every household is required to have a military style firearm has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world!

[paradox34]

On 12/19/2024 at 8:33 PM, Aristides said:

Our homicide rates compared to the gun loons south of us say otherwise.  So does every other country with sensible gun laws.

Nonsense. Every country with "sensible" gun laws has seen no change or an actual increase in gun violence. Criminals fear neither the police nor the justice system they must come to fear the victim. As a side note, Switzerland where every household with a resident of military age literally has an assault rifle in the home has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world!