No longer a British colony, Canada becomes the 51st US state.

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes but America only has access to our resources, including Trump’s much-loved “black gold”, 60% of which comes from Canada, through USMCA.  

we have overwhelming leverage against Canada

would could impose any deal we pleased upon Canada, make no mistake

[herbie]

12 hours ago, athos said:

But you can't get rid of your head of state Charles III except if Trump takes over your colonial Disneyland.

As ignorant as Trump himself.

Boorishness is next to Godliness, eh?

[Dougie93]

27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada is used to feeling the brunt of American trade measures.  It’s one of the reasons Canada tries to keep a more level and controlled economy through supply management and similar policies.  As the small, dominated partner, we have to be more careful.

your Canada is gone, and it's never coming back

Canada invokes you as being a "traitor"

Canada invokes you as being a "Russian Asset"

Canada hates itself and its own Crown and you too therein 

why would you have any fealty for this regime that despises you ?

the time for caution is at an end

you have nothing left to lose

 now

[Dougie93]

58 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Still, there’s nothing to prevent us from countering with similar high-impact measures, even if we’re more impacted by a trade war.

yeah, okay, sure, there's nothing stopping you from going to war against America

I welcome these Liberal tyrants hoisting themselves on their own petards therein

let their vastly inflated sense of their own importance bring them down

let their own enraged electorate hang them from the lampposts

it's not like the Democrats will save them, since the Democrats are protectionists too

this is going to be a global trade war

if Canada puts itself in no man's land; more fools them

Edited December 4, 2024 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

we have overwhelming leverage against Canada

would could impose any deal we pleased upon Canada, make no mistake

True, but any leader can set his empire on fire and play the fiddle.  You said that MAGA isn’t primarily motivated by money, which I actually believe as well.  Prosperity is a byproduct of freedom and good judgement.  I think Trump is seeking American advantage obviously, but he’s no dummy and knows that a prosperous and peaceful world outside America creates markets for American goods and cuts the cost of policing the world.  I think he was elected because people generally think he’ll broker peace deals in Ukraine and the Middle East and will reel in the overreach of permanent Washington.  His demands of Canada are good for Canada in many ways, including beefing up our military, which we need if we want to be taken seriously on foreign policy and anything else.  We were once upon a time.  

[herbie]

Trump is being an arsehole, because that's what he is. And the USA has decided it likes arseholes because that's how the school bully kept others in line, so that's the natural order of things.

I doesn't bother them or him if he breaks the very trade deals he bragged about "winning" or imposes a tariff on 60% of their imported oil because they think someone else pays the tariff and their gas will get even cheaper. Just like they have no idea they're paying $10k more to build their house and other countries should act like North Korea and seal their borders to protect them.

No, no, everyone else is acting ignorant and entitled, that's what they are told by the arseholes they so love.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

True, but any leader can set his empire on fire and play the fiddle.  You said that MAGA isn’t primarily motivated by money, which I actually believe as well.  Prosperity is a byproduct of freedom and good judgement.  I think Trump is seeking American advantage obviously, but he’s no dummy and knows that a prosperous and peaceful world outside America creates markets for American goods and cuts the cost of policing the world.  I think he was elected because people generally think he’ll broker peace deals in Ukraine and the Middle East and will reel in the overreach of permanent Washington.  His demands of Canada are good for Canada in many ways, including beefing up our military, which we need if we want to be taken seriously on foreign policy and anything else.  We were once upon a time.  

President Trump is merely a messenger

President Trump simply amplifies the judgment of the populist right in America

contrary to popular liberal sentiment, President Trump is the moderate

if President Trump fails therein

what comes next will be much more radical

even the Democrats would be forced to round on Canada with a vengeance therein

you do of course know, that the lyrics of The Star Spangled Banner

are about a war against Canada ?

at Fort McHenry, Baltimore, 13 September 1814

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, herbie said:

No, no, everyone else is acting ignorant and entitled

who is more ignorant and entitled than Canadians ?

Canadians who know nothing about their own history

Canadians who tear their own monuments down

Canadians whom have a vastly inflated sense of their own importance

lecturing to the world self righteously, while they don't actually uphold their international obligations

Canadians have nothing to say to America, whom both defends them and props them up

[Dougie93]

25 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 His demands of Canada are good for Canada in many ways, including beefing up our military

frankly, President Trump is being naive

Canada has fallen too far to save itself

2% of GDP would require Canada to spend $80 billion CAD per year, starting right now

Canada is never going to do it, because Canada is no longer capable of doing it

Canada is a failed state, it's too far gone to achieve escape velocity from its own dysfunctional gravity well

the best Canada can hope for, is America taking pity on Canada, to allow it to remain an American protectorate

[Dougie93]

48 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Prosperity is a byproduct of freedom and good judgement.

meanwhile, Canada has become a Woke "Progressive" pseudo Marxist totalitarian lunatic asylum

every institution in Canada, both public & private, being captured by far leftist authoritarian kooks

whom make the Soviet Bolsheviks look like rational actors in comparison

said Commie Canadian clown show is simply getting its comeuppance now

Mister Trudueauchev, tear down this wall . . .

Edited December 4, 2024 by Dougie93

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[Zeitgeist]

31 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

President Trump is merely a messenger

President Trump simply amplifies the judgment of the populist right in America

contrary to popular liberal sentiment, President Trump is the moderate

if President Trump fails therein

what comes next will be much more radical

even the Democrats would be forced to round on Canada with a vengeance therein

you do of course know, that the lyrics of The Star Spangled Banner

are about a war against Canada ?

at Fort McHenry, Baltimore, 13 September 1814

Yes it was the first successful US counter offensive against a major English naval attack.  Those “bombs bursting in air”.   The melody of that song comes from an old drinking song.  

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

ha ha ha ha ha !

as if Canadian politicians are not going to sell you down the river to MAGA

on behalf of the vested interest cartels which run Canada as their fiefdom ?

dream on, suckahs

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes it was the first successful US counter offensive against a major English naval attack.  Those “bombs bursting in air”.   The melody of that song comes from an old drinking song.  

ironically, just prior to the war, the American Loyalists in Canada were poised to revolt against the British Crown

the tyrannical rule of British appointed governors had driven them to the brink of revolt

when James Madison made the catastrophic mistake of invading over the issue of Impressment

Madison being the founder of the Democrat - Republican party against the Federalists

Canada is an American creation in so many ways

George Washington the father of both nations,  at Jumonville Glen, 28 May 1754

[Zeitgeist]

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

frankly, President Trump is being naive

Canada has fallen too far to save itself

2% of GDP would require Canada to spend $80 billion CAD per year, starting right now

Canada is never going to do it, because Canada is no longer capable of doing it

Canada is a failed state, it's too far gone to achieve escape velocity from its own dysfunctional gravity well

the best Canada can hope for, is America taking pity on Canada, to allow it to remain an American protectorate

I share all of your criticisms about Canada being an ideologically captured woke-green quasi-fascist state, but I have to believe that the country and its people are bigger and better than the current regime.  What choice is there?   Canada has a lot going for it.  It has to drastically change course and maintain the new trajectory for at least a decade to recapture what’s been lost.  I think the biggest travesty that must be uprooted is the shaming of Canada as a so-called genocidal colonial state.  Canada in its early history and through both World Wars up to Pearson was one of the most successful countries ever to have existed, with the least amount of bloodshed and conflict on its soil of just about anywhere.  We’ve been sold boldfaced lies about ourselves by the current regime and it’s damaged our self-image and reputation in unprecedented ways.  There are many problems with this federal government, but that’s the one I really can’t let go, perhaps more so than its terrible handling of the Freedom Convoy.

[Nefarious Banana]

Zeitgeist, agree with your post. The one factor that has a bearing on Canada's future is that the citizens that remember what Canada was like, and how to make it great again are a dying breed.  We have young people now that are indifferent to a work ethic, a growing shame about Indigenous matters, and a cripled economy that younger people think is normal.  We're beyond the tipping point.  Hoping I'm very wrong on my thoughts about this.  We older folks just don't matter anymore . . . we'll soon be gone.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I share all of your criticisms about Canada being an ideologically captured woke-green quasi-fascist state, but I have to believe that the country and its people are bigger and better than the current regime.  What choice is there?   Canada has a lot going for it.  It has to drastically change course and maintain the new trajectory for at least a decade to recapture what’s been lost.  I think the biggest travesty that must be uprooted is the shaming of Canada as a so-called genocidal colonial state.  Canada in its early history and through both World Wars up to Pearson was one of the most successful countries ever to have existed, with the least amount of bloodshed and conflict on its soil of just about anywhere.  We’ve been sold boldfaced lies about ourselves by the current regime and it’s damaged our self-image and reputation in unprecedented ways.  There are many problems with this federal government, but that’s the one I really can’t let go, perhaps more so than its terrible handling of the Freedom Convoy.

it all appears quite different to me than it does to the average Canadian Normie

as my nation was founded on 1 July 1690

Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy, the birth of the modern liberal British state

the Republic of the United States of America being a creation of the Ulster Scots therein as well

it's not about having fealty to a government

the Anglo-American Empire of Liberty dates back to Calvary Hill at Golgotha

there was no such thing as a sacred Individual free from the rule of a mob before the Nazarene

the Canadian population sides with the Marxist Leninists at their own peril

but how can you deny that Canada has chosen said path

when every institution in Canada has been overrun by these degenerate lunatics ?

there is nothing left of Canada now, this truly is the Post National ( Bolshevist ) State

the general population is simply naive as to the downfall of their civilization therein

the barbarians are through the gates and into the temple, there's nothing even left to salvage

the majority of Canadians have adopted Communism as their state religion, without even noticing

"Feminist & Indigenous ways of knowing" replaces the warrior ethos of HM Canadian Army

Remembrance Day in Canada become a tribute to the terrorists of Hamas

Canadian schoolchildren taught to hate their own decorated veterans

die in a fire of your own making, Canada

the fallen do not sleep, tho poppies grow in Flanders Fields

[Zeitgeist]

21 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it all appears quite different to me than it does to the average Canadian Normie

as my nation was founded on 1 July 1690

Westminster Parliamentary Supremacy, the birth of the modern liberal British state

the Republic of the United States of America being a creation of the Ulster Scots therein as well

it's not about having fealty to a government

the Anglo-American Empire of Liberty dates back to Calvary Hill at Golgotha

there was no such thing as a sacred Individual free from the rule of a mob before the Nazarene

the Canadian population sides with the Marxist Leninists at their own peril

but how can you deny that Canada has chosen said path

when every institution in Canada has been overrun by these degenerate lunatics ?

there is nothing left of Canada now, this truly is the Post National ( Bolshevist ) State

the general population is simply naive as to the downfall of their civilization therein

the barbarians are through the gates and into the temple, there's nothing even left to salvage

the majority of Canadians have adopted Communism as their state religion, without even noticing

"Feminist & Indigenous ways of knowing" replaces the warrior ethos of HM Canadian Army

Remembrance Day in Canada become a tribute to the terrorists of Hamas

Canadian schoolchildren taught to hate their own decorated veterans

die in a fire of your own making, Canada

the fallen do not sleep, tho poppies grow in Flanders Fields

So you’ve identified the very large and real force that’s got the country in its grips.  The only option is to do all we can to oppose it, even if it’s a losing battle, and it might be.  It’s like running to the cartel-infiltrated police to complain about the cartel.  The way such complaints are resolved in corrupt societies is to shoot the complainant.

Nevertheless, if Canadians see their lifestyles depart significantly from our American neighbour’s way of life, no Canadian government will be able to contain the outrage, which we saw during the Freedom Convoy.  How many more times can a Canadian government declare martial law before the majority of the public shows their outrage. You yourself said that the government doesn’t have enough willing police and soldiers to put down such opposition.

This is why I oppose the CRTC and CBC and all the government-funded so-called cultural protections, because I’ve realized they’re just tools to keep the US and other international influences at bay.  We have the talent already, and many of our most talented people have moved to places like Hollywood and New York.  Many haven’t though — yet.  When these people start commenting on the problems in Canada, then we know we’ve hit the wall of what the Canadian public will tolerate.  The problem is that much American media (in NY and Hollywood, for example) supports the woke nonsense.  America can do radical left lunacy with the best of ‘em.  Trump knows this first hand, which is why his best move is to ally America with conservatism in Canada.

Edited December 4, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

21 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Zeitgeist, agree with your post. The one factor that has a bearing on Canada's future is that the citizens that remember what Canada was like, and how to make it great again are a dying breed.  We have young people now that are indifferent to a work ethic, a growing shame about Indigenous matters, and a cripled economy that younger people think is normal.  We're beyond the tipping point.  Hoping I'm very wrong on my thoughts about this.  We older folks just don't matter anymore . . . we'll soon be gone.

except, every Gen Z boy I meet in Canada is a MAGA bro

the Red Pilled young men utterly reject the Woke Progressive lunacy embraced by the Boomers & Millennials

there's just nothing in Canada for those lads to rally around

Canada having completely succumb to post modern Cultural Marxism

thus the patriotic young men in Canada look to MAGA in America as their salvation

and we MAGA Republicans welcome them, as brother in arms

Rangers, lead the way

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So you’ve identified the very large and real force that’s got the country in its grips.  The only option is to do all we can to oppose it, even if it’s a losing battle, and it might be.  It’s like running to the cartel-infiltrated police to complain about the cartel.  The such complaints are resolved in corrupt societies is to shoot the complainant.

Nevertheless, if Canadians see their lifestyles depart significantly from our American neighbour’s way of life, no Canadian government will be able to contain the outrage, which we saw during the Freedom Convoy.  How many more times can a Canadian government declare martial law before the majority of the public shows their outrage. You yourself said that the government doesn’t have enough willing police and soldiers to put down such opposition.

This is why I oppose the CRTC and CBC and all the government-funded so-called cultural protections, because I’ve realized they’re just tools to keep the US and other international influences at bay.  We have the talent already, and many of our most talented people have moved to places like Hollywood and New York.  Many haven’t though — yet.  When these people start commenting on the problems in Canada, then we know we’ve hit the wall of what the Canadian public will tolerate.  The problem is that much American media (in NY and Hollywood, for example) supports the woke nonsense.  America can do radical left lunacy with the best of ‘em.  Trump knows this first hand, which is why his best move is to ally America with conservatism in Canada.

no quarter asked, none given

American conservatives are on the warpath now

don't get in our way, Canada, don't make us hurt you

the Democrats won't protect you

we are taking scalps, no prisoners

you don't want any part of this fight

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Canadians have nothing to say to America, whom both defends them and props them up

We don't take advice from a turncoat.

[Dougie93]

55 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You yourself said that the government doesn’t have enough willing police and soldiers to put down such opposition.

but what would that opposition even be fighting for ?

to wit, Canada is not a leviathan, Canada is a void

the tyranny in Canada is the tyranny of chaos

in that,  Canada has already been overthrown and replaced with the Post National State by default

there is simply nothing to replace the Canada that was

I mean, haven't you noticed how all the people inciting disorder in the streets are foreigners ?

it's just foreigners fighting their own wars imported to Canada

the native born Canadians have no actual idea what they stand for, nor what they would fight for therein

Justin Trudeau did not invent the Post National State,

he simply articulated the facts of the matter already in place

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

We don't take advice from a turncoat.

obviously I am not concerned by the cry whining of leftists in Canada

you are hated in your own land ; come off the internet and see the angry mobs form around you

[herbie]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

you are hated in your own land ; come off the internet and see the angry mobs form around you

You seem to have lived down there too damn long, your brain has fried. Go clubbing in downtown Toronto with your MAGA hat and see if you can make it in the door.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

You seem to have lived down there too damn long, your brain has fried. Go clubbing in downtown Toronto with your MAGA hat and see if you can make it in the door.

I'm too old to go clubbing, I've been happily married for 25 years now

but I do wear my MAGA hat in downtown Toronto

and honestly, people in Toronto give me the thumbs up for it

the Gen Z kids despise Trudeau with a passion, and they love MAGA

right wing old school,  is the new cool