Project 2025

[gatomontes99]

7 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

No, there's no reality in which the MSM has a string left wing bias no matter what your echo chamber tells you twinklover99.

Actual reality:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/unprecedented-positive-media-for-harris-89-negative-for-trump/ar-AA1p44yn

‘Unprecedented’ positive media for Harris, 89% negative for Trump

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

[Black Dog]

14 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Actual reality:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/unprecedented-positive-media-for-harris-89-negative-for-trump/ar-AA1p44yn

‘Unprecedented’ positive media for Harris, 89% negative for Trump

 

Washington Examiner =/ actual reality

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That assessment comes from the latest review of network news from the conservative watchdog, the Media Research Center, which found that 84% of the coverage of Harris has been positive, while 89% of Trump’s has been negative on CBS, NBC, and ABC.

 

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https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

lmao. Lumping The Atlantic and NYT opinion in with the far left and saying shit like the Epoch Times and WSJ opinion only "lean right" tells me all i need to know.

[gatomontes99]

1 minute ago, Black Dog said:

Washington Examiner =/ actual reality

 

lmao. Lumping The Atlantic and NYT opinion in with the far left and saying shit like the Epoch Times and WSJ opinion only "lean right" tells me all i need to know.

Does it? Or does it just give you an excuse to ignore reality.

Do your own research. Watch any MSM outlet for an hour and mark positive and negative stories and the affiliated or presumed party/ideology. Then report back your findings.

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I read somewhere that the FCC nominee was one of the project 25 authors. I thought Trump didn't know these people?

You thought wrong.

My guess is he knows all of the people behind Project 2025. 

[Deluge]

On 11/17/2024 at 8:47 PM, eyeball said:

If you mean the way conservatives use mundane lefty things to say "see they support Marx, Hitler and Beelzebub" then no, the left doesn't do that at all.  You're just projecting.

The thing about 2025 is that the Republican Party probably realizes this will be their last chance to get things...right.  The base is in no mood for seducing the canine - they expect to be able to say 'my life is more right-wing and conservative today than it was 2 years ago'...3 years at best.

If not they'll be looking for something even more hard-boiled.

The American left is dying, eyeballs, and that's because liberty and freedom still matter here. 

There's nothing mundane about you a$$holes embracing Marx, Hitler and Satan, in fact it's hard work for everyone who doesn't support you degenerates. Much of Trump's work in the first year or two will be cleaning up your messes. 

[Black Dog]

5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Does it? Or does it just give you an excuse to ignore reality.

Do your own research. Watch any MSM outlet for an hour and mark positive and negative stories and the affiliated or presumed party/ideology. Then report back your findings.

Do you not understand that one's perception of bias is going to be impacted by their own bias?

For example, a conservative person seeing a story about Trump's obvious cognitive decline would consider that story biased even though, well, look at the guy.

[gatomontes99]

17 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Do you not understand that one's perception of bias is going to be impacted by their own bias?

For example, a conservative person seeing a story about Trump's obvious cognitive decline would consider that story biased even though, well, look at the guy.

I don't even know where to begin. The irony of this post is so thick, I just can't.

You may allow your bias to color how you view the world, but how I view the world colors my bias. What I mean by that is, you see the world through your blue lense. You see what you want to see. You make your decision and then try to justify it.

I don't. I see what is, then I make decisions. It comes from our fundamental difference. You want the government to create outcomes, and thus meet your definition of equality. I want the government to create protections and process and thus meet my definition of equality. You want equality of outcome. I want equality of opportunity.

When I view a news story, I don't want to be fooled. I read the bias of the anchor and I listen for the opinion words v fact words. Two of the worst out there are Hannity and Madcow. They both fill up their stories with insanely loaded words. But, you can find truth in both.

Example-

Hannity:

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But first, a sudden change of heart from two ‘MSDNC,’ well, most anti-Trump hosts and that is the co-host of Liberal Joe, Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski announcing that the pair attended breakfast, I can’t say that with a straight face, at Mar-a-Lago at their request with Donald Trump.

They must have spent three days working on what they were going to say after they had that meeting. All right. A few days ago, these two far-left radical hosts were comparing Trump to Hitler, calling him a racist and sexist and fascist. And now they’re kissing his ass, sucking up to them and having breakfast at Donald Trump’s house at their request.

https://hannity.com/media-room/hannity-americans-are-celebrating-a-new-era-in-washington-watch/

What are the opinions? How long they spent thinking of things to say to Trump. They are kissing ass. Most anti-Trump/liberal on MSNBC.

What are the facts? Morning Joe hosts had breakfast with Trump. The hosts requested the meeting.

It's not hard. Clearly, this had a Trump bias. But that doesn't mean you can't glean truth/facts from it.

 

[Deluge]

On 11/16/2024 at 11:04 AM, DUI_Offender said:

Project 2025's creator is 'ecstatic' over Trump's terrible cabinet picks

 

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As the rest of the world scratches their heads at Trump's bizarre and unqualified cabinet picks, Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation, said that he is "ecstatic."

Roberts told right-wing extremist host Steve Gruber that the president-elect's choices are "sending signals that you better go back if you're here illegally."

"Honestly, I’m ecstatic,” Roberts said. “I mean, this is exceeding our expectations and our expectations were high because President-elect Trump, of course, has a proven record."

For those who aren't MAGA loyalists, Trump's appointments have been baffling. He chose anti-vaccine Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as secretary of Health and Human Services, who has a long history of embracing conspiracy theories, and has been rebuked by his famous family. Kennedy believes, among many other falsehoods, that the environment turns children transgender (it doesn't), that vaccines cause autism (they don't), and that HIV does not cause AIDS (it does).

Trump has appointed Matt Gaetz to Attorney General, who has been the subject of an investigation by the House Ethics Committee over claims he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old, who he allegedly paid to travel with him. Gaetz has also been accused of paying a minor girl for sex.

Trump's pick for Secretary of Defense, Fox News host Pete Hegseth, opposes women and transgender people in combat roles, and admitted to not washing his hands because he doesn't believe in germs.

"I do have to say my favorite, which would surprise no one including the President-elect, [is] Tom Homan, our visiting fellow at The Heritage Foundation, as border czar, who's already just sending signals that you better go back if you're here illegally," Roberts continued. "But all of the names that you mentioned and then some that are rumored to be named in the next couple of days, this has the making of one of the best cabinets in modern American history and that is fitting because there is a lot of work ahead."

Roberts' organization, the Heritage Foundation, has a long history of opposing LGBTQ+ rights, as well as fighting against marriage equality, protections for LGBTQ+ workers, and healthcare for transgender youth. The conservative think-tank is also the source of Project 2025, the over 900-page policy blueprint for a second Trump administration that includes dismantling LGBTQ+ rights, banning abortion, and implementing loyalty tests for government employees.

Roberts recently said on Bloomberg Podcasts' Balance of Power that "because the work of Project 2025 represents the conservative movement, it would be very difficult for anybody to implement policies on education, on the border, on taxation, without at least consulting those ideas and people."

Harris voters are the only ones struggling with Trump's picks, and we know how stunted those m0rons are.  

I'm absolutely enjoying the people he chooses. Even Ahnuld is back in the fold, if only as a token member. 

[Radiorum]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

Harris voters are the only ones struggling with Trump's picks

Trump is undermining one of the main checks and balances on presidential power.

It’s the Senate’s job to confirm or oppose whoever the president nominates to serve in key government roles. Now, Trump is asking them to step aside, to allow his picks (however dangerous they may be). Trump seeks unilateral power - a step towards autocracy.

He teases them with leadership positions:

“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments,” Trump posted on his Truth Social platform, adding that he wants positions filled “IMMEDIATELY!”

“What Trump is essentially doing is telling the Senate to give up one of its core constitutional roles,” said Sarah Binder, a constitutional expert at George Washington University. “The Senate’s role of advice and consent was to be a check on who the president wants to put in these positions.”

The slide to autocracy has begun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/12/trump-recess-appointments-how-they-work/

[Black Dog]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

I don't even know where to begin. The irony of this post is so thick, I just can't.

You may allow your bias to color how you view the world, but how I view the world colors my bias. What I mean by that is, you see the world through your blue lense. You see what you want to see. You make your decision and then try to justify it.

 

Of course you think this: you're biased! Do you not understand how bias works? Good god lmao.

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I don't. I see what is, then I make decisions. It comes from our fundamental difference. You want the government to create outcomes, and thus meet your definition of equality. I want the government to create protections and process and thus meet my definition of equality. You want equality of outcome. I want equality of opportunity.

You actually don't know f*ck all about my opinions on this stuff, and you pretending you do is simply a result of your extreme bias.

The actual fundamental difference between us is self awareness: I have it. You don't. Well, that and the whole being into twinks thing.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Black Dog said:

What makes this place and its conservative goon squad so fascinating is how it serves as a glimpse into a completely alternate reality that so many of you dummies live in.

Sorry kid, this is the actual reality. You and the lefties are in the alternate one   That's why simple facts always set you off so much

[Legato]

49 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Of course you think this: you're biased! Do you not understand how bias works? Good god lmao.

You actually don't know f*ck all about my opinions on this stuff, and you pretending you do is simply a result of your extreme bias.

The actual fundamental difference between us is self awareness: I have it. You don't. Well, that and the whole being into twinks thing.

Anyone who is self aware does not have to tell people that they have it. Doing so shows a severe lack of self awareness.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Black Dog said:

No, there's no reality in which the MSM has a string left wing bias no matter what your echo chamber tells you twinklover99.

The mainstream media has a strong left-wing bias. It just doesn't seem that way to you because you think Castro was a Centrist

[Black Dog]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The mainstream media has a strong left-wing bias. 

You know this is false because left wing voices and viewpoints are rarely if ever featured in the MSM. The most far left viewpoint you'll find is establishment leftists like Bernie or AOC.

Edited November 20, 2024 by Black Dog

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

You know this is false because left wing voices and viewpoints are rarely if ever featured in the MSM. The most far left viewpoint you'll find is establishment leftists like Bernie or AOC.

That only because TDS has drowned out those channels. Once Trump is finished with his four years, the outlets will shift to some other anti-American cause. 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Black Dog said:

You know this is false because left wing voices and viewpoints are rarely if ever featured in the MSM. The most far left viewpoint you'll find is establishment leftists like Bernie or AOC.

Left wing viewpoints are constantly favored in the MSM. On both aOC and Bernie are essentially one hair away from being full on socialists or communists. That's pretty left.

Sorry kiddo, like I said you would have called Stalin a moderate so you can't see it but it's definitely well on to the left

[impartialobserver]

Project 2025... pretty benign stuff. Trump is not behind the creation of it nor does he contribute to it. Seems strange to be so concerned about it. 

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Project 2025... pretty benign stuff. Trump is not behind the creation of it nor does he contribute to it. Seems strange to be so concerned about it. 

The democratic campaign this time ran largely on fear. Fear that trump was a threat to democracy and that if elected he would remove rights and destroy many things that democrats consider to be important. Many parts of project 2025 could be twisted to fit that narrative. So they pushed it hard.

If anything this election was an excellent example of how people will not just vote a government out. You can't win an election by simply slagging your opponent or creating false narratives about what they will or won't do. You have to present a positive image of what the future would look like under your management that looks at least better than the image of your opponent.

And that was the dems mistake this time out. They literally ran on giggling and orange man bad.

Hopefully next time they will put forward a candidate of substance Who will present a clear option that's well articulated and not based on my opponent is Hitler. With luck the republicans will do the same and America will actually get an honest to god choice again for how they like to move forward instead of whatever childishness we've seen in the last elections

[Black Dog]

Shocker:

President-elect Donald Trump and his allies disavowed the conservative Project 2025 during the election, seeing the conservative transition plan and policy blueprint as a liability after Democrats used it to attack his campaign. Some close to Trump even suggested those tied to the effort would be shut out of a potential administration.

“They made themselves nuclear,” Howard Lutnick, the co-chair of Trump’s transition and his nominee to serve as Commerce Secretary, told CNBC in September.

But with the campaign over, Trump’s transition team is turning to Project 2025 to help staff the next administration.

Already, transition officials are taking suggestions for potential hires from the extensive personnel database created by Project 2025, a person familiar with the situation told NBC News.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-team-turns-project-2025-disavowing-effort-campaign-rcna180689

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Shocker:

President-elect Donald Trump and his allies disavowed the conservative Project 2025 during the election, seeing the conservative transition plan and policy blueprint as a liability after Democrats used it to attack his campaign. Some close to Trump even suggested those tied to the effort would be shut out of a potential administration.

“They made themselves nuclear,” Howard Lutnick, the co-chair of Trump’s transition and his nominee to serve as Commerce Secretary, told CNBC in September.

But with the campaign over, Trump’s transition team is turning to Project 2025 to help staff the next administration.

Already, transition officials are taking suggestions for potential hires from the extensive personnel database created by Project 2025, a person familiar with the situation told NBC News.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-team-turns-project-2025-disavowing-effort-campaign-rcna180689

So some paper that trump has never read or never agreed with made a list of people who might be qualified to work in various positions who were conservatives, and now that trump is going around trying to find people to feel various positions who are conservative and are qualified there are some overlap so this proves that trump is 100% in favor of projects 2025.

 

You literally have to be stupid enough to think that makes sense to be a democrat.

[impartialobserver]

On 11/20/2024 at 5:33 PM, CdnFox said:

The democratic campaign this time ran largely on fear. Fear that trump was a threat to democracy and that if elected he would remove rights and destroy many things that democrats consider to be important. Many parts of project 2025 could be twisted to fit that narrative. So they pushed it hard.

If anything this election was an excellent example of how people will not just vote a government out. You can't win an election by simply slagging your opponent or creating false narratives about what they will or won't do. You have to present a positive image of what the future would look like under your management that looks at least better than the image of your opponent.

And that was the dems mistake this time out. They literally ran on giggling and orange man bad.

Hopefully next time they will put forward a candidate of substance Who will present a clear option that's well articulated and not based on my opponent is Hitler. With luck the republicans will do the same and America will actually get an honest to god choice again for how they like to move forward instead of whatever childishness we've seen in the last elections

"childishness".. exactly and it comes from both sides. Will be interesting to see who comes forth next time. 

[Black Dog]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So some paper that trump has never read or never agreed with made a list of people who might be qualified to work in various positions who were conservatives, and now that trump is going around trying to find people to feel various positions who are conservative and are qualified there are some overlap so this proves that trump is 100% in favor of projects 2025.

I know you're a decrepit boomer with health issues, but that's no excuse for being stupid.

The argument about project 2025 was never whether Trump read it or not (everyone knows he's not really literate) but how it would shape his administration's priorities and the answer is obviously  "a lot." 

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You literally have to be stupid enough to think that makes sense to be a democrat.

The irony of this not making any sense is rich.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I know you're a decrepit boomer with health issues, but that's no excuse for being stupid.

Not a boomer kiddo   wow, too k you only 5 words to be wrong and look stupid this time   Very efficient!

 

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The argument about project 2025 was never whether Trump read it or not (everyone knows he's not really literate) but how it would shape his administration's priorities and the answer is obviously  "a lot." 

It was never any argument. The democrats dishonestly screamed as loud as they could that it would and nobody else thought so. And a very obviously doesn't.

But I love that you agree that trump never read it, had no interest in it, and wasn't planning on implementing it, but somehow it represents is administration priorities. Here's a trick, try reading things back before you hit post and see if they sound stupid in your mind when you actually look at them. It might save you some trouble in the future

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The irony of this not making any sense is rich.

 

It makes perfect sense. But of course in your world where not caring about something means caring about something, not being Hitler means you're Hitler, and we're up is down and black is white and you get killed at the next zebra crossing I imagine something straightforward like that would be difficult for you   

[Black Dog]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Not a boomer kiddo   wow, too k you only 5 words to be wrong and look stupid this time   Very efficient!

"Ha I'm not a Boomer I just have the opinions and posting style of someone much older!" is some comeback.

Pretty sure I nailed the decrepit part though.

 

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But I love that you agree that trump never read it, had no interest in it, and wasn't planning on implementing it, but somehow it represents is administration priorities. Here's a trick, try reading things back before you hit post and see if they sound stupid in your mind when you actually look at them. It might save you some trouble in the future

This only works as an argument if you're stupid enough to think the president does everything himself and doesn't delegate any responsibility, which you might actually be stupid enough to believe.

"Trump hasn't read Project 2025" and "Trump's administration will implement Project 2025" are not incompatible statements.

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It makes perfect sense.

It's funny that you have to waterboard syntax so badly to try and sound smart instead of presenting your "thoughts" straightforwardly.

Edited November 22, 2024 by Black Dog

[User]

It's cute that the little sheep is still here fear-mongering over Project 2025. 

The election is over. Your lying cries didn't work. 

Go BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA little sheep, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

LOL