While Trudeau and Liberals work to kill our energy industry, America gets a leader who will drill baby drill and frack, frack, frack.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Actually it would be the same as scientists. Acknowledge the rise in temperature and the theoretical cause, and move on.

It politicians who sound the alarms, not scientists.

'Uncharted territory': climate scientists sound alarm over Earth's vital signs

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2023/10/25/uncharted-territory-climate-scientists-sound-alarm-over-earth-vital-signs.html

Where do you suggest they move on to exactly, a new field of study, get a trade... Planet B?

[CdnFox]

59 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What would proof look like to you - how would you describe it? If there is a standard you subscribe to what is it and how does it compare to standards used by scientists generally around the world?

Every sensible person who knows anything about science knows what the proof would look like.

You need to demonstrate the rate at which global warming is happening and the sources of it, you need to show factually what the results will be over time and specifically how they will impact us, then you need to show that the proposed solutions represent a substantial decrease in that threat such that the threat is eliminated or reduced to a non-threat level.

So far are we here is oh by such and such a date the waters will rise. Okay, great so don't stand near the water. It will Displace some people. Great that's over a. Of 100 years so shouldn't be a big problem moving them over the time frame.

So show something that says here's the information which we using these formulas and models were able to determine will produce this result which will impact humans in this fashion. And here's how the proposed changes will affect it

We were told that the carbon tax would solve it and that we needed the carbon tax because we have forest fires. Been paying carbon tax for years now and we still have forest fires

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

'Uncharted territory': climate scientists sound alarm over Earth's vital signs

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2023/10/25/uncharted-territory-climate-scientists-sound-alarm-over-earth-vital-signs.html

Where do you suggest they move on to exactly, a new field of study, get a trade... Planet B?

From your post:

"Dr Newsome stressed that all climate-related actions must be grounded in equity and social justice."

Hmmm..."equity and social justice". Now where have I heard that before? And then this:

"The authors urge transitioning to a global economy that prioritises human well-being and curtails overconsumption and excessive emissions by the rich. Specific recommendations include phasing out fossil fuel subsidies, transitioning toward plant-based diets, scaling up forest protection efforts and adopting international coal elimination and fossil fuel non-proliferation treaties."

Plant-based diets? What? Not even bug eating? Who funded this DEI-soaked tiatribe?

Oh..."funding was received from the CO2 Foundation and Roger Worthington."

The CO2 Foundation? D'ya think they have a bias agenda perhaps?

https://co2foundation.org/about/

OOPS. Yup...definitely biased. Ok...benefit of the doubt. Who is Roger Worthington?

https://education.umd.edu/research/centers/cdihe/about-us/staff

"Roger L. Worthington is the founder and executive director of the Center for Diversity and Inclusion in Higher Education, "

Huh...so much for "benefit of the doubt".

https://www.newsweek.com/yes-climate-changing-no-its-not-emergency-opinion-1615632

"For the vast majority of the time that human civilization has existed, temperatures have been significantly warmer than today. More than 30,000 scientists have signed on to a paper saying that we're not facing a climate emergency.

Throughout the history of the earth, a more normal level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been about 1000 parts per million, not the 420 ppm we see today. The fact that carbon dioxide levels are so high, and yet compared to over the past few 100 or few 1,000 years, temperatures are lower than they've been throughout most of human civilization, tells you that carbon dioxide is not the control knob for global temperatures."

OOPS...seems like someone has been crying 'WOLF' a tad too much. 

Lol...bye...

Edited November 8, 2024 by Nationalist

[Queenmandy85]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

As dumb as Mike is he still one step above you so at least we agree there

Mr. Hardner is many stories above both of us.

 

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Show me some research that proves that it is a current existential crisis.

I notice you haven't either. But don't worry, nobody reads anything you or I write on this forum and neither of us will have any influence on anyone else. 

This is all just an exersize in futility.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Mr. Hardner is many stories above both of us.

He isn't even the smartest lefty here never mind the smartest person here.

He has the ability to obfuscate arguments in such a fashion as to the weak minded he would appear intellectual. But he isn't. When you push him on any topic he folds like a house of cards if he can't dodge or ignore it or try and change the channel. He isn't even close to my level and I'm not necessarily the smartest person here. This is why he pretends to block people so he can ignore their arguments when he's losing and yet pipe up when he thinks it's safe.  He's as dishonest as the day is long, he relies exclusively on high school debate 'tricks' rather than any kind of honest discussion. 90 percent of the time he's cryptically dismissive and condescending towards an argument without actually offering an actual rebuttal or opinion or counter point.  And even some of those who are friendly to him have pointed this out or agreed with it. 

You find him impressive because you can't see the con. The "Which cup is the pea under" trick is VERY impressive to people who don't understand how it works, and you're like a kid at a fair who's absolutely convinced it must be magic. But it isn't and it's fairly easy to learn. It's just a trick that takes advantage of human traits to fool people. 

Sorry kid, but to people with intelligence and experience he looks like exactly what he is. A shyster who tries to appear intelligent with smoke and mirrors 

16 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

This is all just an exersize in futility.

Yes and no.  

You'd be surprised to find out how much this kind of thing does bleed into the real world through various means. But honestly that's not the point of doing it for me.

It is absolutely fascinating to me to see how the minds of those who think more with emotions than reason works and these discussions shed a lot of light on it.