Why are Transgenders such a serious political issue in this election?

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Transgenders make up 0.5% of the American population. Most people never even work with a Transgender person. There is no evidence Transgenders are "grooming" our children, or encouraging them to get gender reassignment surgery. So why is this even an election issue. I remember the old days, when things like jobs, the economy, etc. would take precedent. 

[Michael Hardner]

45 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

1. So why is this even an election issue.
2. I remember the old days, when things like jobs, the economy, etc. would take precedent. 

1. Because people find them weird and creepy and are offended by their existence.  So they, thinking that their feelings are a kind of freedom, seek out ways to contain the very idea of transgender people.
2. We are a nation of babies.  Most people have no idea about our geopolitical situation and the political economy as well.  When things go bad they throw the bums out but what happens when all the parties are bad ?

Edited October 29, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[NAME REMOVED]

31 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Because people find them weird and creepy and are offended by their existence.  So they, thinking that their feelings are a kind of freedom, seek out ways to contain the very idea of transgender people.
2. We are a nation of babies.  Most people have no idea about our geopolitical situation.  When things go bad they throw the bums out but what happens when all the parties are bad ?

COVID was the litmus test on whether North America would be rational, take the advice of disease specialists and family doctors, in order to curtail a potential deadly virus, or listen to a bunch of YouTube bloggers, and be more concerned about being inconvenienced. 

Lord help us if a pandemic comes along with a 50% fatality rate. 

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Lord help us if a pandemic comes along with a 50% fatality rate. 

Well, I'll bet we'll be a lot smarter afterwards though.

Question authority doesn't mean eat Tide Pods...

[User]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Because people find them weird and creepy and are offended by their existence.  So they, thinking that their feelings are a kind of freedom, seek out ways to contain the very idea of transgender people.
2. We are a nation of babies.  Most people have no idea about our geopolitical situation and the political economy as well.  When things go bad they throw the bums out but what happens when all the parties are bad ?

Its funny how you pretend to decry these culture war topics, but you are almost inevitably in here defending one side of them dishonestly. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Transgenders make up 0.5% of the American population. Most people never even work with a Transgender person. There is no evidence Transgenders are "grooming" our children, or encouraging them to get gender reassignment surgery. So why is this even an election issue. I remember the old days, when things like jobs, the economy, etc. would take precedent. 

Its not the Transgenders who are necessarily grooming our children, although they certainly are, it is their supporters like you who are also a part of that. 

This is a dumb and dishonest game you guys play. You pretend like you don't understand why this is an issue when you are the ones who are making it one. Then when others notice and respond, you act like that is the problem. 

 

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3 minutes ago, User said:

Its not the Transgenders who are necessarily grooming our children, although they certainly are, it is their supporters like you who are also a part of that. 

I do not care either way.

I just do not understand why it is such a huge political issue. If anything, it distracts from the real issues. Can you provide evidence of Transgender people "grooming" children? 

[User]

6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I do not care either way.

I just do not understand why it is such a huge political issue. If anything, it distracts from the real issues. Can you provide evidence of Transgender people "grooming" children? 

Ah yes... of course! You don't care so much that you created a thread to question why it was such a big deal as dishonestly as you did. 

You don't care so much that you want to continue not caring wanting evidence... 

The "grooming" is the efforts to normalize trans and "affirm" this by both encouraging this "affirmation," including hiding it from parents, and in some cases passing laws and regulations to enforce it. 

When you are trying to tell kids they can be something they are not, and then want to "affirm" this, hide it from parents, and then push life changing drugs and surgery on them... oh gee, why would people think this is a big deal?

 

 

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If there are people foolish enough to believe this is an issue, then I truly believe that if people on social media and in political positions said "flying pigs are a threat to our morality, and we need to make this a primary election issues, many people here would make threads about stopping flying Pigs, and accusing others of being flying Pig enablers.

[NAME REMOVED]

1 minute ago, User said:

The "grooming" is the efforts to normalize trans and "affirm" this by both encouraging this "affirmation," including hiding it from parents, and in some cases passing laws and regulations to enforce it. 

I asked you to provide examples of this happening, on a scale widespread enough to make it a big concern. Your feelings about this issue are irrelevant. Provide facts to support your argument.

[User]

5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I asked you to provide examples of this happening, on a scale widespread enough to make it a big concern. Your feelings about this issue are irrelevant. Provide facts to support your argument.

On a scale widespread enough to make it a concern... is a great escape valve as I can post endless examples and you can always claim it is never big enough. 

You already set the standard at zero evidence, so if I post anything it shows you are wrong. 

Oh gee, why is this a political issue? Because folks on the left want to hide it from parents when they are transitioning their children at school:

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canadian-province-changes-lgbt-policy-schools-recognize-role-parents-2023-06-09/
 

 

[NAME REMOVED]

5 minutes ago, User said:

On a scale widespread enough to make it a concern... is a great escape valve as I can post endless examples and you can always claim it is never big enough. 

I asked you for factual evidence of Transgender people grooming children to the point they convince or encourage them to want to get gender reassignment surgery, on a widespread scale. You have not provided it.

Edited October 29, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[User]

3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I asked you for factual evidence of Transgender people grooming children to the point they convince or encourage them to want to get gender reassignment surgery, on a widespread scale. You have not provided it.

That is not exactly what you asked and it a quite narrowly focused question now. 

It seems you just want to play these dishonest games. 

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This type of thing reminds me of the old "blood libel" accusations against Jewish communities in Europe, for centuries. Nevermind the fact that there was zero evidence of Jews kidnapping Christian or gentile children to perform blood sacrifices on them, antisemites with a platform worked up the local population into a frenzy that ended up in pogroms, or other forms of violence targeting the Jewish community.

So this type of thing isn't new by any means. People will believe anything, if they fear a group of people that are different.

[User]

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

This type of thing reminds me of the old "blood libel" accusations against Jewish communities in Europe, for centuries. Nevermind the fact that there was zero evidence of Jews kidnapping Christian or gentile children to perform blood sacrifices on them, antisemites with a platform worked up the local population into a frenzy that ended up in pogroms, or other forms of violence targeting the Jewish community.

So this type of thing isn't new by any means. People will believe anything, if they fear a group of people that are different.

What exactly is it you think people here are fearing that is not true?

When you say "grooming" what are you talking about?

[ironstone]

29 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

People will believe anything

You're right, a lot of people believe gender is fluid and that there are dozens or perhaps hundreds of different genders.

What is a woman? Anyone that identifies as a woman according to your side.

But it's only people on your side that have beliefs like these.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I do not care either way.

I just do not understand why it is such a huge political issue. If anything, it distracts from the real issues. Can you provide evidence of Transgender people "grooming" children? 

It's fairly obvious from this post and from other posts you made that you do care a fair bit. Which is fine, nothing wrong with taking an interest in others.

And it's obvious that you're being a little willfully ignorant. There have been numerous stories posted here about grooming and indoctrination issues as well as efforts on the left to exclude parents from the decision-making process into pressure children to make gender choices.

To answer your initial question, if they weren't making it an issue, it wouldn't be an issue

[herbie]

WTF is more interesting is how so many people think they can vote away trannies.and other social issues the dimwitted try to peg as political issues.

[User]

9 minutes ago, herbie said:

WTF is more interesting is how so many people think they can vote away trannies.and other social issues the dimwitted try to peg as political issues.

Vote away trannies...

Are there any other strawmen you want to attack here?

[herbie]

BTW this is the Canada/Provincial politics sub forum

Transexuals played zero part in the BC, Nova Scotia or Saskatchewan election and will zero in the upcoming federal election.
Should it play a significant issue in the US election it will only lower our respect for American voters even more.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

BTW this is the Canada/Provincial politics sub forum

Transexuals played zero part in the BC, Nova Scotia or Saskatchewan election and will zero in the upcoming federal election.
Should it play a significant issue in the US election it will only lower our respect for American voters even more.

That is not true. The Saskatchewan decision with regards to parental rights definitely played a role in that election. Sogi issues including transgenderism did play a role in the BC election although a relatively small one. And I have no doubt they will play a role in the upcoming federal election

Edited October 29, 2024 by CdnFox

[User]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

BTW this is the Canada/Provincial politics sub forum

Transexuals played zero part in the BC, Nova Scotia or Saskatchewan election and will zero in the upcoming federal election.
Should it play a significant issue in the US election it will only lower our respect for American voters even more.

I am not even Canadian, but Google is an amazing thing. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sogi-123-sexual-education-b-c-election-2024-1.7333988

"The party challenging B.C.'s current government is promising changes to the way sexuality and diversity is taught in schools — an issue that's created division in the streets and between party leaders — while educators maintain the rift is not present in classrooms."

I swear, you guys will go to any length to play dumb and act like nothing is going on here. 

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

BTW this is the Canada/Provincial politics sub forum

Transexuals played zero part in the BC, Nova Scotia or Saskatchewan election and will zero in the upcoming federal election.
Should it play a significant issue in the US election it will only lower our respect for American voters even more.

This is incorrect:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/change-room-policy-transgender-reaction-1.7356488

[NAME REMOVED]

2 minutes ago, User said:

I am not even Canadian, but Google is an amazing thing. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sogi-123-sexual-education-b-c-election-2024-1.7333988

"The party challenging B.C.'s current government is promising changes to the way sexuality and diversity is taught in schools — an issue that's created division in the streets and between party leaders — while educators maintain the rift is not present in classrooms."

 

For once, you are correct sir.

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That is not true. The Saskatchewan decision with regards to parental rights definitely played a role in that election. Sogi issues including transgenderism did play a role in the BC election although a relatively small one. And I have no doubt they will play a role in the upcoming federal election

Luckily, Canadians are much more educated than Americans when it comes to politics, and realise the whole Transgender issues is a nothing burger. Just look at the results:

New Brunswick Conservatives pass laws regarding Transgenders, and within a year, the people vote them out of office.

The BC Conservatives make transgenders an election issues, and lose.

The Saskatchewan Party makes transgenders an election issues, and loses 13 seats.

If the Federal Conservative Party make it an election issues, they will lose support, since most Canadians can see it for what it is- an nothing burger that distracts people from the real issues.