Are you a man or a woman?

[Scott75]

On 12/31/2024 at 8:45 AM, Deluge said:

On 12/31/2024 at 4:22 AM, Scott75 said:

If my posts were so objectionable, I doubt I'd be getting so many responses to them. I believe you yourself said that I am pretty good at refraining from crass insults, which is something that many posters here struggle with.

You're getting responses because transsexualism has gotten so pervasive.

The irony is that I think it would be better of there were less transsexualism and more transgenderism. I suspect you don't know what the difference is, so here it is:

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Transsexualism vs. Transgender

It's essential to understand the difference between transsexualism and being transgender. Transgender is an umbrella term that includes anyone whose gender identity differs from their assigned sex at birth. Transsexualism, however, is more specific and often involves a desire for medical treatments such as hormone therapy or surgery to transition from one sex to another.

Key Differences

• Transgender: Broad term including many gender identities.
• Transsexual: Specific term often involving medical transition.

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Source:

https://www.medicoverhospitals.in/diseases/transsexualism/

As I've stated in the past, I believe that if people are more accepting of transgender people, their desire to get hormones/hormone blockers and sugery will lessen.

[Deluge]

11 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I strongly suspect that it's attitudes like yours that are one of the causes of traumas like the one User posted way back in post #627. Here's the video he posted:

 

That video supports my argument, not yours. She's talking about the damage you cultists cause when you try to talk kids into the opposite sex. 

You're f*cking lunatics, and this tranny agenda lunacy is going to end. 

Edited January 9, 2025 by Deluge

[Deluge]

11 hours ago, Scott75 said:

The irony is that I think it would be better of there were less transsexualism and more transgenderism. I suspect you don't know what the difference is, so here it is:

I don't care what the difference is, as I'm not wired for that kind of bullshit. When it comes to this subject, I like things simple: Men are attracted to women and women are attracted to men. It's the way mom and dad did it, and it's been done that way down the line. The reason it's been like that is because it works: it's what perpetuates our species and it's what atabilizes society. Anything outside of that, and shit like the tranny agenda comes to the forefront. 

Edited January 9, 2025 by Deluge

[Scott75]

On 12/31/2024 at 8:47 AM, User said:

On 12/31/2024 at 4:18 AM, Scott75 said:

If by rights, you mean the right to be insulted, I suppose that's true. You certainly don't have any reservations in doing that by continuing to call transgender people trannies. Anyway, I found something that a good amount of transgender people are trying to achieve, which I strongly support:

Nope. 

A drivers license is an official government document to identify someone as what they actually are, not what they think they are. 

They should not be abused to play into the mental issues of people. 

Same goes for other official government documentation, like birth certificates. 

You cut off my quote before I even mentioned what I strongly support, so I'm not sure if you read my full post. The kicker is at the bottom. I'll repeat the part that you didn't quote, because I think it's rather important:

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A major goal of transgender activism is to allow changes to identification documents to conform with a person's current gender identity without the need for gender-affirming surgery or any medical requirements, which is known as gender self-identification.^[1][2][3] It is part of the broader LGBT rights movements.

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Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_movement

We may disagree on many things, but we essentially agree that transgender transition hormones/hormone blockers and surgery can be something that people can regret. If people could get the gender identity they want -without- having to do this, I think it could avoid situations of this nature.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

You cut off my quote before I even mentioned what I strongly support, so I'm not sure if you read my full post. The kicker is at the bottom. I'll repeat the part that you didn't quote, because I think it's rather important:

I clearly responded to that. 

You said:

"A major goal of transgender activism is to allow changes to identification documents to conform with a person's current gender identity"

Again:

Nope. 

A drivers license is an official government document to identify someone as what they actually are, not what they think they are. 

They should not be abused to play into the mental issues of people. 

Same goes for other official government documentation, like birth certificates. 

[herbie]

Are you a man or a woman?

By Deluge, October 21, 2024

 

Helen Keller in an isolation booth asks....

[Radiorum]

On 1/8/2025 at 8:40 PM, User said:

At this point, both of these folks have refused actually to engage on the actual subject and have spent pages trying to quibble about anything other than their defending their absurd positions. 

You have been presented with ample evidence refuting your position, which has been bigoted, hateful and ignorant.

When a person refuses to accept evidence that shows them they are wrong, that is called delusion.

Some people prefer to meet others as one human soul meeting another human soul.

[User]

18 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You have been presented with ample evidence refuting your position, which has been bigoted, hateful and ignorant.

When a person refuses to accept evidence that shows them they are wrong, that is called delusion.

Some people prefer to meet others as one human soul meeting another human soul.

Even now... this is not true. Instead of returning to the arguments, where I soundly responded to and refuted your positions, we get this vague assertion that you think you have won. 

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

You have been presented with ample evidence refuting your position, which has been bigoted, hateful and ignorant.

Complete lie. At best you have presented reasons why you don't like his position and you use the idea that they are bigoted hateful and ignorant to dehumanize him so you don't have to address his valid points.

Which ironically would make you bigoted hateful and ignorant

[Scott75]

On 12/31/2024 at 8:54 AM, User said:

On 12/31/2024 at 3:59 AM, Scott75 said:

What gives me the right to label people in x or y way is what we might call the tree of society and its branches. In this forum, which could be considered a small branch of society, I've noticed that people are allowed a pretty wide range of ways to label each other, but as I pointed out, on Facebook and other media style books, tranny is a term that has been banned. That is -not- the case for the term cisgender.

Not according to Elon Musk on X. 

True, and here we can literally see one side of this debate having significant power in the online world. If I were talking on Twitter, I might well have to avoid using the term, but we're not. Similarly, if we were writing on Facebook, you would have to avoid using the word tranny. Now, here's where I think the main difference is- I can and have defined myself as a cisgender man. From what I've read, it looks like few if any transgender people define themselves as trannies. Now, perhaps some do, but I think it'd be in the same category as using the n word for people of darker complexions. Only people who have these darker complexions can use that word without it being considered an insult, and even then, only in some contexts.

Edited January 10, 2025 by Scott75

[Scott75]

On 12/31/2024 at 5:03 PM, CdnFox said:

On 12/31/2024 at 3:53 AM, Scott75 said:

Labelling or categorizing people -itself- doesn't change people. Voicing those categorizations can certainly have an effect though.

Sure it does.  How people see themselves is greatly influenced by how others see them or label them. 

If you're trying to claim that if we seal someone in a room with zero contact with the outside world it woudln't affect them then maybe...  but that doesn't happen in the real world does it.

No, but people don't always have to voice how they categorize people either. The bottom line is as follows:

For people who define male and female human beings as anyone who identifies as male or female, there needs to be a way of differentiating between people who are of cisgender and people who are transgender. We have words for this, which I've just mentioned, and people who define male and female in this way tends to use them. The problem, ofcourse, lies with people like you who -don't- define male and female this way. But to me, the issue is essentially like people who speak different dialects of the same language. You may not use the words my group uses, but you certainly understand their meaning and so long as we're not talking on Twitter, it's generally not considered offensive to use the term cisgender. This clearly includes this space, as I don't have to put a dollar sign in the word.

[Scott75]

On 12/31/2024 at 5:03 PM, CdnFox said:

On 12/31/2024 at 3:53 AM, Scott75 said:

On 12/28/2024 at 1:11 PM, CdnFox said:

On 12/28/2024 at 6:46 AM, Scott75 said:

Yes, -that- is true.

Oh you mean despite your whining i was right.  Imagine that. Yawn.

You can't seem to stop yourself from insulting people at every turn, can you?

Pointing out the truth isn't insulting to normal people it's just you  

Setting aside the fact that I disagree that you pointed out the "truth", insulting people is -not- a good way to win arguments. Doing it when someone -agrees- with you is even worse.

On 12/31/2024 at 5:03 PM, CdnFox said:

Kid, if you act in a manner that invites derision and insult, then the problem isn't with the person insulting you.

From what I can tell, anyone who disagrees with you on the subject of this thread "invites derision and insult". It's not a healthy way of living. 

[User]

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Setting aside the fact that I disagree that you pointed out the "truth", insulting people is -not- a good way to win arguments. Doing it when someone -agrees- with you is even worse.

Yet again, you have no room to cry about this anymore. You ignorant a$$hole. 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Scott75 said:

No, but people don't always have to voice how they categorize people either.

Regardless of whether or not they voice it, it will be reflected in how they relate to that person. 

The bottom line is as follows:

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For people who define male and female human beings as anyone who identifies as male or female, there needs to be a way of differentiating between people who are of cisgender and people who are transgender. 

That's like saying for those who define  human beings as anyone who identifies as black or white there needs to be a way to differentiate between people who are niggers and people who are white. 

Saying it does not change the pejorative nature of the term. And it has become a pejorative. 

We already have perfectly good ways to differentiate.  transgender and straight works fine. Transfemale and female, trans male and male,  there's no need for anything new. 

So here's the final proof. If i was looking to name or define something, lets say it was black people, and i decided we needed a new term and i said "we're going to call you black people "nig-gendered".   And they said 'well....  that's kind of a problem".... then i would do something else because i don't really care about the specific term. 

But YOU on the other hand absolutely are. You're attempting to  define SOMEONE ELSE against their wishes because YOU feel it's ok to be offensive as long as YOU approve of it. 

THis has NOTHING to do with how I define male or female or men or women or anything.  What you are doing is deciding how to define OTHER people even if it offends them.  Which would be one thing  EXCEPT your whole sctick is that people should have the right to define themselves. 

So if it's ok for you to call me CIS,  explain to me why it's not ok for me to call someone else a tranny.  Or decide that he is a "He" regardless of his 'preferred' pronoun.  Etc etc. 

You've been asked this many times and refused to answer. 

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

Are you a man or a woman?

By Deluge, October 21, 2024

 

Helen Keller in an isolation booth asks....

Helen's kind of old fashioned, herpes. It might be better if you just tell her you're a man, even though you don't act like one.  

[User]

9 hours ago, Scott75 said:

True, and here we can literally see one side of this debate having significant power in the online world.

I love how you completely ignore the point. You were trying to say that tranny was a bad word on social media platforms while cis-gender was not. 

I point out you are wrong and you pivot to complaining about power. 

I don't care if you want to call yourself a pink unicorn, just don't expect me to play along with your delusions. 

 

[Scott75]

On 12/31/2024 at 5:07 PM, CdnFox said:

On 12/31/2024 at 3:59 AM, Scott75 said:

What gives me the right to label people in x or y way is what we might call the tree of society and its branches.

So in other words you're claiming that society has some sort of inailable rights granted to it which supersede the rights of people entirely.

No, I'm not. For starters, societies are an amalgamation of the people that compose it. Secondly, I said nothing about it being an unalienable right. You only quoted my first sentence, but what I said after that made it clear. Quoting:

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In this forum, which could be considered a small branch of society, I've noticed that people are allowed a pretty wide range of ways to label each other, but as I pointed out, on Facebook and other media style books, tranny is a term that has been banned. That is -not- the case for the term cisgender.

But there's another issue here, which is that while the Admins here may be fine with people calling each other all sorts of slurs, most would agree that calling a biological male who identifies as a male a cisgender male is not a slur against that person. 

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Bottom line, many of the rights we have depend on where we are.

On 12/31/2024 at 5:07 PM, CdnFox said:

Two problems with that.  First, show me where that is in the constitutional documents?

I'm not an American citizen and I haven't lived in the U.S. for quite some time- you are looking at the wrong branch of society. The rules you should be looking at are the ones for this particular forum, as opposed to, say, Twitter.

Edited January 15, 2025 by Scott75

[Scott75]

On 1/1/2025 at 11:59 AM, User said:

On 1/1/2025 at 10:03 AM, Scott75 said:

I suspect you have no idea how a recursive acronym works.

And you have no idea how definitions work. And?

Did you just admit that you have no idea how a recursive acronym works?

On 1/1/2025 at 11:59 AM, User said:

On 1/1/2025 at 10:09 AM, Scott75 said:

You're simply a part of the anti-gender movement

Once again, you can't put forth logical rational arguments to support your positions, so you have nothing left now but to continually try to make things personal. 

No, my arguments are rational, you just keep on snipping out the rational argument part. For instance, I didn't finish what I was saying with the quote above. Here's the complete paragraph:

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You're simply a part of the anti-gender movement who, as Wikipedia states, "views advances in gender inclusion and LGBT rights as threats to traditional family structures, religious values, and established norms".

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[Scott75]

On 1/1/2025 at 5:57 PM, User said:

On 1/1/2025 at 5:55 PM, CrakHoBarbie said:

So you support the inclusion of all marginalized groups,  such as transsexuals?

You are a strange duck. 

No, she's not as "strange duck" for asking you questions designed to engage your rational mind. Clearly, her effort failed, but it's not too late. How about you try answering her questions?

Edited January 15, 2025 by Scott75

[Scott75]

On 1/1/2025 at 8:56 PM, CrakHoBarbie said:

On 1/1/2025 at 8:23 PM, User said:

On 1/1/2025 at 8:16 PM, CrakHoBarbie said:

On 1/1/2025 at 5:57 PM, User said:

On 1/1/2025 at 5:55 PM, CrakHoBarbie said:

Ok.

So you support the inclusion of all marginalized groups,  such as transsexuals?

You are a strange duck. 

And you are an ignorant one.

I support inclusivity. 

MAGAs do not.

That makes me a better person than you.

Do you understand?

I understand the simpleton assertion you are trying to make, sure. Its still wrong.

Says who?

Your imaginary supernatural master?

Do you know why MAGA and religion go hand in hand?

Because they both require a disconnect from reality in order to participate. 

LGBQT folks have been around since day one. That makes their existence every bit as "natural" as heterosexuals.

Your ignorance is on full display again.

Aren't you embarrassed?

I think MAGA is too big of a group to label as uniform here, but I fully agree that your "Says who?" question is rather important. As to my comment on the LGBTQ community, it's not now, nor has it ever been, completely uniform in its views, even in regards to MAGA:

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trump-pride-gay-republicans-why-they-re-backing-president-n1243469

That being said, I think that in general, the MAGA movement doesn't help the LGBTQ community.

[User]

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Did you just admit that you have no idea how a recursive acronym works?

Nope. 

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

No, my arguments are rational, you just keep on snipping out the rational argument part. For instance, I didn't finish what I was saying with the quote above. Here's the complete paragraph:

There is nothing rational about your making things personal. You are nothing more than an ignorant a$$hole. 

[User]

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

No, she's not as "strange duck" for asking you questions designed to engage your rational mind. Clearly, her effort failed, but it's not too late. How about you try answering her questions?

You should spend more time worrying about your inability to answer mine if you are going to be so concerned about answering questions. 

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Scott75 said:

No, I'm not.

You absolutely are. 

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For starters, societies are an amalgamation of the people that compose it.

You don't believe that, you discount and disregard anyone who doesn't agree with you.  So you absolutely don't see society as an amalgam.

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Secondly, I said nothing about it being an unalienable right.

You did. Trying to caveate it afterwards is meaningless. And you've been quite clear since. 

Your type of oppressor always is the same.  They insist on being repressive, THEN claim they don't really believe in repression, then go back to being repressive.  Antifa was one of the most facists orgs out there for example. 

 

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Bottom line, many of the rights we have depend on where we are.

No, that's not how rights work.

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I'm not an American citizen 

 

Ok, the canadian constitution then. Or for whatever country you live in. 

Can't? Nope? not at all? So the rest of your drivel was just trying to distract from that?

 

And you still didnt' address a single point i made or anyone  else has for that matter.  What a scumbag. 

[Scott75]

On 1/1/2025 at 7:20 PM, User said:

On 1/1/2025 at 7:09 PM, Scott75 said:

On 12/29/2024 at 11:04 AM, User said:

Once again... as I have already said, far fewer people choose to say cisgender.

As I have said previously, I have never used the equivalent term for cisgender here in Mexico in the 3 years I've been living here, so I can agree that it's not a term that's used often.

This is not a discussion about how often you use the term. This is you here making an argument for why others should and the made up problem you are using to justify that. 

I and a good many others believe that it is part of the best way of differentiating between people who identify as the gender they are biologically of a given sex but identify with the opposite gender and those who are biologically of a given sex and identify with the same gender. Surely you can see how much shorter it is to say transgender and cisgender that the long sentence I just made.

[User]

Just now, Scott75 said:

Surely you can see how much shorter it is to say transgender and cisgender that the long sentence I just made.

Nope. I have pointed this out to you about half a dozen times now. 

Men are males. Women are females. Trans are trans.