Are you a man or a woman?

[Scott75]

On 12/29/2024 at 11:12 AM, User said:

On 12/29/2024 at 7:32 AM, Scott75 said:

On 12/27/2024 at 11:57 AM, User said:

Nope. This is only my problem in as much as you are trying to fabricate it into being one for me.

I'm not 'fabricating' court cases, or Wikipedia articles detailing the new uses for terms like gender.

You have an amazing inability to actually respond to what is said. 

I did not say you were fabricating court cases or Wikipedia articles. 

I respond to what you say, you just don't like my responses. True, you did not say I was fabricating court cases or Wikipedia articles. You -did- say that I was fabricating a problem, though. I'm just trying to point out to you that the new gender terms are not something I invented, and they are being used in court cases and Wikipedia articles. You can try to deny these new definitions exist all you like, but Wikipedia and court decisions aren't going to just go away because you don't like the fact that they're there.

[User]

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

True, you did not say I was fabricating court cases or Wikipedia articles.

Exactly. So start actually responding to the things I say. 

 

[User]

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

What is it you think that I don't believe?

I am asking if you believe the definition of male and female you are pushing here. You keep trying to play this dumb game that you are just some observer now. 

4 hours ago, Scott75 said:

But I certainly never created any "problem" either. There's a big difference between pointing out a problem and creating one.

There is no problem. 

[Deluge]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You misunderstand.  "Included' in her mind means 'obeyed unconditionally without regards to your rights'. 

I have a copy of "wacko lefty definitions for dummies", i'll send you a copy so you can follow along with her   

I know what she thinks, I just wanted to to try and help her with logic again. 

Of course, we both know that logic doesn't take with these zombies, but I had to at least try before I dumped more insults on her.  

Edited January 2, 2025 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I agree that I'm not merely saying that new defitions for gender terms exist. I've also never denied that I'm in favour of these new definitions. But I certainly never created any "problem" either. There's a big difference between pointing out a problem and creating one.

If someone says "We should kill the Jews "and you turn around and say "Yes I think we should kill the Jews for sure", then you are absolutely helping to create the problem. You can't turn around and say that you were just pointing out that we should kill the Jews and therefore you're not involved.

[Deluge]

On 1/2/2025 at 2:31 AM, Scott75 said:

I respond to what you say, you just don't like my responses. True, you did not say I was fabricating court cases or Wikipedia articles. You -did- say that I was fabricating a problem, though. I'm just trying to point out to you that the new gender terms are not something I invented, and they are being used in court cases and Wikipedia articles. You can try to deny these new definitions exist all you like, but Wikipedia and court decisions aren't going to just go away because you don't like the fact that they're there.

You are also using the new gender terms as you define yourself as something other than just a man. 

See, Scott75 thinks he's being impartial through all of this, but he has already taken sides. He has abandoned the biological aspect of this debate and joined the LGBT army in their fight to takeover the narrative. 

[Radiorum]

9 hours ago, Deluge said:

He has abandoned the biological aspect of this debate and joined the LGBT army in their fight to takeover the narrative. 

Biology supports the existence of transgenderism. 

it is not an army. It is people who want to be recognized as fully complete human beings.

What narrative are you talking about? You want people to live your narrative despite their narrative being different from yours? So, who is the tyrant here?

[Radiorum]

To you people hung up on the definitions of words - the definitions of words change over time.

“Nice” used to mean trivial or useless.

Example - …it will therefore require a close and wary attendance: a physician that has a nice and tender patient, must be assiduous in his care, observant of all symptoms…

(Richard Allestree, The Gentleman’s Calling, 1660)

“Bully” used to mean sweetheart.

Example - “I kiss his dirty shoe, and from heart-string I love the lovely bully. What is they name?”

(Shakespeare, Henry V, 1600)

“Luxury” used to mean lechery or lust.

Example - "What? shall we live like beasts promiscuously, Without distinction in foule luxurie?"

(Juvenal (Translated by William Barkstead), That Which Seemes Best is Worst, 1617)

“Radical” used to mean of, or relating to, or proceeding from a root.

Example - …also of certayne herbes, fruytes, and spyces, hauynge the propertye to expelle melancalyke humours, and to comforte and kepe lyuely the spirites, whiche haue theyr proper habitation in the hart of ma, and moderate nouryshyng of the naturall heate and humour, callyd radical, which is the base or foundation, whervppon the lyfe of manne standeth…
(Sir Thomas Elyot, 1553)

“Buxom” used to mean marked by obedience.

Example - "[We] adore and worship thy majesty, and tremble at thy judgments and works, and therefore pray always that we may content with thy will, and be buxom and obedient thereto."

(Henry Bull, Christian Prayers and Meditations, 1566)

And so it came to pass, circa 1800, that The Society for the Preservation of the Meanings of Words protested fiercely.

“How can a full bosom be considered obedient?” demanded Roger St. Rogers. “It makes no sense.”

“Not unless it is obeying luxury,” replied Henry Harmsworth.

“And how can I evermore have luxury for my bully?”

“And call my mother nice?”

“It is a sin against nature!”

“Radical!”

Roger jacked up his eyebrows. “Do you mean the new or the old meaning?”

“The new one, of course.”

They slumped in their seats. “The world turns,” Roger said, “and I cannot stop it.”

“But, I’m scared,” cried Henry. “I lose my bearings!”

“We must adapt.”

Henry nodded. “Life doesn’t stop for anybody.”

“Instead of trying to change the world,” Roger firmed his mouth, “I will try to change myself.”

***

Side note – the Mirriam-Webster dictionary now includes this entry under “male”

having a gender identity that is the opposite of female

And the entry for “female” now includes the following:

having a gender identity that is the opposite of male

Horrors! How will we cope! /s

[User]

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

To you people hung up on the definitions of words - the definitions of words change over time.

Sure... except, you guys are trying to force this change AND the definition you are trying to force is nonsensical absurdity. 

You can try to change it to the absurd nonsense you want to, and we will reject it. 

Maybe in 200 years, when we are both long gone and dead, maybe, it will change. 

[Radiorum]

3 minutes ago, User said:

force this change

there's no need to feel threatened

 

3 minutes ago, User said:

the definition you are trying to force is nonsensical absurdity. 

only to you, because you don't understand it

 

4 minutes ago, User said:

and we will reject it. 

You probably would have joined the Society for the Preservation of the Meanings of Words.

 

[User]

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

there's no need to feel threatened

No need to invent absurd nonsensical definitions of words here either. 

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

only to you, because you don't understand it

Not only to me. I understand the absurdity of what you are doing. I soundly reject it. 

9 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You probably would have joined the Society for the Preservation of the Meanings of Words.

You should probably learn more about logic, common sense, and biology. 

[Radiorum]

8 minutes ago, User said:

logic, common sense, and biology. 

That's what motivates you? Lol

[User]

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

That's what motivates you? Lol

No. LOL

[Deluge]

29 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

1. Biology supports the existence of transgenderism. 

2. it is not an army. It is people who want to be recognized as fully complete human beings.

3. What narrative are you talking about? You want people to live your narrative despite their narrative being different from yours? So, who is the tyrant here?

1. Wrong. Political activism supports the existence of transgenderism. Mental disorder causes it. 

2. They are human beings. So what's your problem? 

3. Tell me who decided that you are a cisgender male. 

[Radiorum]

15 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Political activism supports the existence of transgenderism

Transgenderism came first.

15 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Mental disorder causes it. 

Wrong.

16 minutes ago, Deluge said:

They are human beings. So what's your problem? 

The point is to live authentically.

16 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Tell me who decided that you are a cisgender male. 

I am cisgender because my body differentiated in the same sex as my brain did in utero.

[User]

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I am cisgender because my body differentiated in the same sex as my brain did in utero.

What scientific tests have you done to demonstrate this?

 

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

1. Transgenderism came first.

2. Wrong.

3. The point is to live authentically.

4. I am cisgender because my body differentiated in the same sex as my brain did in utero.

1. Wrong. Biological sex came first. 

2. No, you're wrong. I am right. 

3. YOUR point is to twist and bend society to suit your fantasy. 

4. You think you're cisgender because acticvists told you are cisgender, and you stupidly believed them. I don't listen to those lunatics, therefore I know that I am male. You are male too. 

 

[Radiorum]

8 minutes ago, User said:

What scientific tests have you done to demonstrate this?

What scientific tests have you done to demonstrate that you have a brain?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

Biology supports the existence of transgenderism. 

Yes, it was recognized as a disorder sometime ago. Biology supports the existence of cancer as well. Not 100% sure what you were going for there

[User]

3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

What scientific tests have you done to demonstrate that you have a brain?

Well, out of the two of us, I can provide a meaningful definition of what a woman is. 

[Radiorum]

9 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Biological sex came first. 

Yeah, that, too, but what does that have to do with political activism?

9 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, you're wrong. I am right. 

No, I am right, You are wrong.

10 minutes ago, Deluge said:

YOUR point is to twist and bend society to suit your fantasy. 

Transgenderism is not a fantasy. It is real.

11 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You think you're cisgender because acticvists told you are cisgender, and you stupidly believed them. I don't listen to those lunatics, therefore I know that I am male. You are male too. 

No, I got the info from a science book.

[Radiorum]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yes, it was recognized as a disorder sometime ago.

New evidence shows that it is not a disorder or a mental illness.

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Biology supports the existence of cancer as well.

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Not 100% sure what you were going for there

There have been a lot of remarks in this thread dismissing transgenderism as fantasy or delusion.

[Radiorum]

6 minutes ago, User said:

I can provide a meaningful definition of what a woman is. 

Your definition is not meaningful, since it excludes transgender females

[User]

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

New evidence shows that it is not a disorder or a mental illness.

Thinking you are something you are not is definitely a mental problem. 

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

There have been a lot of remarks in this thread dismissing transgenderism as fantasy or delusion.

No, thinking you are something you are not is fantasy or delusion. We call people who think they are the opposite sex, who have this mental problem or have been convinced to think they do, transgenders. 

 

2 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Your definition is not meaningful, since it excludes transgender females

Why do you have to say transgender?

 

[Radiorum]

2 minutes ago, User said:

Thinking you are something you are not is definitely a mental problem. 

Like how you think you are the judge of all humankind?