User Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 9 hours ago, Scott75 said: No, I've never said that either. I do believe that boys and girls should be allowed to claim whatever gender they wish, but that's not the same thing as saying that a boy or a girl can simply transform into the opposite sex. You are playing games. Yes, you just said you do think they should be allowed to claim whatever they wish... so, what happened to believe them? You are in fact wanting to push this stupidity on to kids. 9 hours ago, Scott75 said: No, I think I've told you multiple times that I am -not- in favour of kids getting gender-affirming care. So which is it then. Be specific. You just said that boys and girls should be allowed to claim whatever gender they wish... so when they do, you don't think teachers and other students should affirm that now? Quote
CdnFox Posted January 26 Report Posted January 26 4 hours ago, Scott75 said: Your reasoning sounds good. Could you give me an example of the above happening? For god's sake man. Go read your very own replies in this entire thread. This has been pointed out to you a million times already. Your entire thread here is disrespectful, hypocritical, dismissive of others and largely ignorant. It's like watching Hitler ask the Jews for an example of anti-semitism. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Scott75 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On 1/19/2025 at 1:28 PM, CdnFox said: On 1/19/2025 at 12:11 PM, Radiorum said: When it comes to biological sex, labels are meaningless, since development is a complicated process that results in more than a simple binary. That’s not the reality. Biologically it is absolutely a binary. One sex carries the egg, the other sex carries the sperm. When it comes to mammals that's basically it. You're mistaken. There are rare cases where humans have both sperm and eggs. They're a subcategory of people who are intersex. That being said, having both makes it difficult to conceive: ** Do you have both male and female reproductive organs? Some intersex people have both testes and ovaries. You may be able to get pregnant on your own, if you also have a uterus. However, if you have testes, they may be releasing more testosterone than would be optimal for conception and pregnancy. If you have both testes and ovaries and are having trouble becoming pregnant, we may remove the testicular tissue. We may also recommend hormone therapy to increase your chances of ovulating and becoming pregnant. ** Source: https://www.ocfertility.com/blog/im-intersex-can-i-have-a-baby Quote
Nationalist Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On 1/25/2025 at 12:09 AM, Scott75 said: Trump certainly has some power in shaping U.S. law, but he's far from the only force. A Los Angeles Times article published yesterday gets into some details of the clash ahead: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-01-23/trumps-rebuke-to-gender-ideology-changes-federal-policy-and-sets-up-clash-with-california You can clash all you like. There are only 2 genders. Welcome back to reality. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 7 hours ago, Scott75 said: You're mistaken. There are rare cases where humans have both sperm and eggs. I'm not mistaken at all. the fact that there exists genetic anomalies does not change the definition of man or woman. There are some people born with 3 arms but that doesn't change the definition of left and right. Complete swing and a miss. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 On 1/27/2025 at 1:31 PM, CdnFox said: I'm not mistaken at all. the fact that there exists genetic anomalies does not change the definition of man or woman. There are some people born with 3 arms but that doesn't change the definition of left and right. This is such a non-sequitur, that it hardly merits a response. It's actually not a genetic anomaly, but the way the brain develops under the influence of not just genes, but hormones. Answer me one question: Where is your identity generated? Quote
CdnFox Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 18 minutes ago, Radiorum said: This is such a non-sequitur, that it hardly merits a response. If that were true you would never responded Quote It's actually not a genetic anomaly, but the way the brain develops under the influence of not just genes, but hormones. First off you need to understand that the brain And it's development is a result of genetics. Every single element of your body including its hormone production and so on is a direct result of genetics. Second off you just claimed that the fact that some bodies can produce both sperm and eggs is a mental development. That is literally what I responded to. He said some people produce both sperm and eggs and I said it was a genetic mutation and you're claiming that it's actually a mental state. You are patently insane. Body developing the ability to produce both eggs and sperm is not a mental state Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, CdnFox said: First off you need to understand that the brain And it's development is a result of genetics. Every single element of your body including its hormone production and so on is a direct result of genetics. You are clearly out of the loop and have never heard of endocrine disruptor chemicals - which range from additives in our food to pollutants - which may interfere with sexual development: Quote Effects of endocrine disruptors on the mammalian reproductive system include but are not limited to inhibited spermatogenesis and ovulation, cryptorchidism, hypospadias, decreased semen quality, premature ovarian failure, polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), endometriosis, accelerated puberty, masculinized genitalia in genetic females, feminized yolk production (vitellogenesis) in males, initiation of mitosis in estrogen sensitive breast cancer cells, disrupted hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal function, altered sex and social behavior, and these have been reviewed previously Our stolen figures: The interface of sexual differentiation, endocrine disruptors, maternal programming, and energy balance 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Second off you just claimed that the fact that some bodies can produce both sperm and eggs is a mental development. That is literally what I responded to. He said some people produce both sperm and eggs and I said it was a genetic mutation and you're claiming that it's actually a mental state. I never claimed that. Is your reading comprehension that backward? Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, Radiorum said: You are clearly out of the loop and have never heard of endocrine disruptor chemicals - which range from additives in our food to pollutants - which may interfere with sexual development: There is nothing in any of that that suggests that it leads to people being able to produce both eggs and sperm or that such isn't a genetic mutation. And even if it did it would still be a genetic mutation 4 minutes ago, Radiorum said: I never claimed that. Is your reading comprehension that backward? You absolutely did. I honestly think you're just too stupid to realize what you're saying. But that is exactly what you said Again, he pointed out that human bodies occasionally form in such a way that they can produce both sperm and eggs. I said that was a genetic mutation or anomaly. You then jumped in and claimed that in reality it was due to brain development. Is there nobody on the left that's got half a brain cell? How do you people get your damn pants on in the morning? You can't even figure out what your responding to Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, CdnFox said: There is nothing in any of that that suggests that it leads to people being able to produce both eggs and sperm or that such isn't a genetic mutation. And even if it did it would still be a genetic mutation I was not involved in any discussion about this and was not responding to this. 7 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Again, he pointed out that human bodies occasionally form in such a way that they can produce both sperm and eggs. I said that was a genetic mutation or anomaly. You then jumped in and claimed that in reality it was due to brain development. My only claim is that transgenderism is due to brain development. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 5 hours ago, Radiorum said: I was not involved in any discussion about this and was not responding to this. It's literally the reply of mine that you quoted. It's literally what you responded to. Jesus Christ kid, weed may be legal now but that doesn't mean that it's safe Edited January 29 by CdnFox Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Radiorum said: Answer me one question: Where is your identity generated? Define what you mean by identity. You play these silly games hiding behind word play. Quote
Radiorum Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 19 hours ago, User said: Define what you mean by identity. Your identity is who you are. It is made up of your self-awareness, your consciousness, your perspectives, your motivations, your interpretations, your sense of self, your particular way of framing the world, your intuitions, the manner in which you process information, and all of that is generated in your brain. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Radiorum said: Your identity is who you are. It is made up of your self-awareness, your consciousness, your perspectives, your motivations, your interpretations, your sense of self, your particular way of framing the world, your intuitions, the manner in which you process information, and all of that is generated in your brain. Show us the medical journal that lists that. I mean I assume you're not just making this up randomly, So provide the medical documentation that indicates that this is where a person's identity comes from Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Show us the medical journal that lists that. I mean I assume you're not just making this up randomly, So provide the medical documentation that indicates that this is where a person's identity comes from You're asking me to prove that thought comes from the brain? Really? Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, Radiorum said: You're asking me to prove that thought comes from the brain? Really? No I didn't ask anything remotely like that. You were offering a definition of what identity is. You're really not terribly bright are you? As soon as someone asks you a question that you don't have bullet point pre approved answers for you go to pieces so Fast that people get hit by the shrapnel Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: No I didn't ask anything remotely like that. You were offering a definition of what identity is. You're really not terribly bright are you? As soon as someone asks you a question that you don't have bullet point pre approved answers for you go to pieces so Fast that people get hit by the shrapnel Lol! Omg.... Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Radiorum said: Lol! Omg.... So you just realized you said something mind meltingly stupid and can't defend your position. Got you. I don't know why you enjoy making yourself look like you're full of shit so often but you know, you do you. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So you just realized you said something mind meltingly stupid and can't defend your position. Got you. I don't know why you enjoy making yourself look like you're full of shit so often but you know, you do you. No, it's just that your reply was so ridiculous. Our identity is generated by our brain. Please provide any evidence you have to the contrary. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 Just now, Radiorum said: No, it's just that your reply was so ridiculous. No it wasn't. You just had a panic attack because you realize you couldn't defend your position. I've noticed that that's a bit of a thing with you. Quote Our identity is generated by our brain. I never mentioned the brain. I was told By you that identity is defined as who you are. It is made up of your self-awareness, your consciousness, your perspectives, your motivations, your interpretations, your sense of self, your particular way of framing the world, your intuitions, the manner in which you process information,. All I asked was that you provide medical evidence that that is the definition of identity. And then you freaked out and peed a little So, go ahead. provide. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: All I asked was that you provide medical evidence that that is the definition of identity. Quote Human beings are biologically driven—that is, we are compelled by our natural drives. We seek friends and support, we seek a pair-bond or partner, we seek happiness, and we seek an identity. How does one find and construct an identity? UCLA neuroscientist Matt Lieberman shows that there are two parts of the prefrontal cortex used for processing information salient to the human identity—the medial prefrontal cortex, or mpfc (BA10) and the dorsal medial prefrontal cortex, or dmpfc (BA9) (Lieberman 2018). The mpfc is active during our default mode, or when we are not focused on the external environment, and biases us to shift our thinking to become egocentric, while the dmpfc is active when processing salient social information pertinent to one’s position in groups as well as the perspective of others. We quite literally process thoughts about ourselves and thoughts about others in different parts of the brain. This is a reflection of the dynamic and co-optive nature of identity. Three main constituents of identity are how you view yourself, how others view you, and how you judge/act based on others’ perceptions of you... When we engage in internal dialogue, whether through language or visual imagery, the brain begins to sift through information that is salient to the individual’s needs. For example, when we take a moment to "self-talk," we are addressing the ego and its feelings, needs, and drives. Alternatively, when we begin to engage externally with the environment or with others, a different set of rituals and engagements dictates our ability to connect, navigate, and grow with others... When constructing an identity we seek resonance in certain imagery... The Neuroscience of Identity How you view, how you perceive, how you imagine ... all functions of the brain. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Radiorum said: The Neuroscience of Identity Sorry but that doesn't support your claim of your definition. You gave a very specific definition I'm asking you specifically to provide proof that that is the definition. In fact the source you provided suggests that it isn't the definition of that identity is actually something different than what you proposed. So were you lying before with your definition or are you lying now with your current citation? I have never asked where it came from, I simply asked what the definition was and asked you to defend the definition you provided Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I simply asked what the definition was and asked you to defend the definition you provided If you disagree with my definition of identity, I think it is incumbent on you to provide an alternative definition. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 18 minutes ago, Radiorum said: If you disagree with my definition of identity, I think it is incumbent on you to provide an alternative definition. I have not said whether I agree with it or I disagree with it. I asked you to provide a source that indicates that your definition is accurate. I'm sorry, is English you or third or fourth language or something? You seem to be really struggling with it Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Radiorum Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I have not said whether I agree with it or I disagree with it. I asked you to provide a source that indicates that your definition is accurate. I'm sorry, is English you or third or fourth language or something? You seem to be really struggling with it Very Trumpian of you, putting "fake" in front of everything. Quote
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