Are you a man or a woman?

[Radiorum]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Is there anything you ever talk about that you understand and know?

Right back atcha. 

Science proceeds on the basis of evidence, not belief.

[Barquentine]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Considering the topic of this thread that is about the funniest question you could have asked

Didn't answer my question. You say "they" meaning all the horrible woke stupid Libs who have caused every problem in the world. Why not talk to me, not they. I do lean to the left, but I recognize that real conservatives have a valid political philosophy, some of which I agree with. What I don't agree with is the scapegoating, the fear (just because someone else gets something doesn't mean they're taking something from you. It's not a zero sum game) and the sheer hatred the far right displays.

[User]

20 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Right back atcha. 

Science proceeds on the basis of evidence, not belief.

Yet, you are pushing your belief trying to pretend it is backed by science. 

[User]

29 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

In all my time on this forum, @Deluge has had nothing constructive to post. He usually only does drive-by insults. The "ignore" feature is a godsend, when dealing with him.

If you want to engage in good faith discussions free from insults, you need to look at your own posting here. 

You use the ignore function as little more than a tool to hide from people, including folks like me who do little more than routinely destroy your bad arguments and call out your lies. 

 

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

In all my time on this forum, @Deluge has had nothing constructive to post. He usually only does drive-by insults. The "ignore" feature is a godsend, when dealing with him.

Drunk_Offender hates America, and is weary of the truth. It's why he/she has me on ignore.  

[Matthew]

6 hours ago, Deluge said:

I pay $10 for a dozen eggs

That's just what they cost right now temporarily due to bird flu. Insulin only costs a few dollars to make and they have been charging hundreds of dollars per vial for decades before democrats finally fixed it.

6 hours ago, Deluge said:

My tax dollars helped pay for really stupid shit like a “transgender opera” in Colombia

Sounds dumb. Sometimes in a democracy some of your money goes towards stuff you think is dumb. For example in Trumps first term he spent 307 days on golf outings. That's almost 25% of his presidency and you paid for that too.

6 hours ago, Deluge said:

The US had been under mass illegal alien invasion for the last four years

People like to come to the US. Yes the system for controlling and managing that should be better. Trump stopped a major bill from passing because it wanted the problem to be worse.

6 hours ago, Deluge said:

Our kids schools are (or were) stocked with graphic sexual content

Nonsense. There is sex mentioned in lots of good literature. Actual etrotica should not be in schools but what republicans are doing is hurting English language education. I know READING teachers who have taken all books out of their classroom just to avoid the hassle republicans have done to them to catalogue it all. Just because republicans think kids are leaning about gay stuff from the school books rather than from the whole society and the internet.

Edited February 8, 2025 by Matthew

[Matthew]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

challenged on what he means when he says something is or is not "legitimate"

Aka you begged me for a conversation about a topic i have no opinion on. I've never claimed anything to be legitimate or not legitimate. So, you're either thinking of someone else or just lying as usual.

Edited February 8, 2025 by Matthew

[Matthew]

4 hours ago, User said:

LOL, you are calling people right-wing losers while responding to a comment criticizing people for name-calling... 

Absolutely. And here in this topic i have pretty close to the same opinion as you, though for maybe different reasons, and Im not a dick about it. But you and fox are such rock bottom trash losers that you find meaningless stuff to argue about without even the slightest attempt to engage with reality.

[User]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

Absolutely. And here in this topic i have pretty close to the same opinion as you, though for maybe different reasons, and Im not a dick about it. But you and fox are such rock bottom trash losers that you find meaningless stuff to argue about without even the slightest attempt to engage with reality.

Sure, you have nearly the same opinion I do but sit here saying it is meaningless to argue about. 

Funny... that you never just come out and say what it is you think here. Gee, wonder why. 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

In all my time on this forum, @Deluge has had nothing constructive to post. He usually only does drive-by insults. The "ignore" feature is a godsend, when dealing with him.

That is word for word what you've said about others   I love that you have it ready to post as a quote when someone disagrees with you   

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Nope. I meant what I said.

I'm sure you meant it but you use the word incorrectly. I definitely believe that you are ignorance is accidental rather than intentional but that doesn't make you any less wrong.

Although I have to say doubling down on the stupid instead of looking it up is pretty hilarious   

 

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You practice psychological manipulation, but sorry it doesn't work on me.

I don't practice any psychological manipulation in the slightest. Pointing out that you are objectively wrong is not manipulation. And of course it wouldn't work on you if I did, you would need to have some sort of psyche for psychological Manipulation to work

 

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See what I mean?

That you avoid coping with the truth whenever possible because you find it painful? Yes I do see that

 

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Thank you. I think laughter is our greatest gift.

Credit where credit is due, bonus points for what is quickly becoming an obscure reference

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I'm tossing you another nickel.

 

It was funny the first time kid. Now it's just an exercise in avoiding the truth and an inability to cope.

 

6 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Right back atcha. 

So in other words yet another question that you're unable to answer.

Good, I would have to take special classes to learn how to be as incompetent as you are when it comes to debating with people

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Didn't answer my question. Y

Didn't think it was a real question. I assumed you spoke English and anyone that speaks English would see that the people that I'm referring to are the people that I'm responding to and mentioned specifically.

If you meant something else you should be practicing your communication skills a bit more

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you say "they" meaning all the horrible woke stupid Libs who have caused every problem in the world. Why not talk to me, not they.

What are you talking about you lunatic? I was obviously talking about Matthew and radiorium  and you later and mentioned them by name specifically.  

Is english your 5th language or something? I was very specific who I was talking about

It sounds like you've got a real inferiority complex going on. I named two people by name specifically and referred to their comments and in your mind somehow it's this great big conspiracy involving all the woke everywhere that have caused every problem. I don't know what mental health issues you have that would lead you to believe that given the fact I specifically named the people I was referring to but whatever it is I'm sure it's very lengthy to pronounce

 

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I do lean to the left, but I recognize that real conservatives have a valid political philosophy, some of which I agree with.

That's great. But in this case you made an ass of yourself by criticizing someone for insults and then insulting them. Your hypocrisy and Lack of self-awareness is more of the issue rather than your politics in this case. And if you come on to a forum and do something that stupid then getting made fun of is the LEAST you should expect. If you act like a dolt, be prepared to get called a dolt. 

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What I don't agree with is the scapegoating, the fear (just because someone else gets something doesn't mean they're taking something from you. It's not a zero sum game) and the sheer hatred the far right displays.

LOL well thank god you don't believe in insults. 

" I have an open mind. But all of you are scum!"  You remind me of that joke "Violence never solves anything and people who disagree should be shot"

 

Obviously you have the intellect and emotional capacity of a preteen. The concerns raised by many on the right and even some on the left are valid and real. But your hatred and bigotry close your mind to understanding any of the concerns. Which means instead of coming to understandings which the right is quite happy to do and has many a time, you leave no choice but to shoot for a zero-sum game because that's how you're playing.

Now go back to playing with your Lego you little weenie. The adults are talking

[Matthew]

4 hours ago, User said:

sit here saying it is meaningless to argue about.

Nope, I don't think it is meaningless to argue about.

4 hours ago, User said:

Funny... that you never just come out and say what it is you think here. Gee, wonder why. 

Three reasons:

1. I don't generally need to know anyone's opinion on any issue and so I don't go around giving unsolicited declarations of my own opinions unless asked.

2. When I did start posting in this thread. CdnFox instantly misrepresented my views with nonsense based on his false assumption of what he figured I believed. Why interrupt a perfect case study in his M.O.

3. Look around. There are no decent conservatives here for a reason. Nobody who is both normal in the head and literate wants to be associated with that. While I don't think transgender identity is a real thing beyond individuals imagination, the societal default should still be toward freedom and respecting people's self determination. Right wing rehtoric is so hateful and intent on using authoritarian methods that the only possible consequence over the next century will be the massive acceptance of transgender ideology. Which,  yes is super dumb, but the Republicans of the 2020s couldn't help themselves.

[User]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

3. Look around. There are no decent conservatives here for a reason. Nobody who is both normal in the head and literate wants to be associated with that. While I don't think transgender identity is a real thing beyond individuals imagination, the societal default should still be toward freedom and respecting people's self determination. Right wing rehtoric is so hateful and intent on using authoritarian methods that the only possible consequence over the next century will be the massive acceptance of transgender ideology. Which,  yes is super dumb, but the Republicans of the 2020s couldn't help themselves.

I am as decent to people as they are to me. Very few here engage earnestly and about the same engage free from trying to make things personal. 

The issues being discussed here have next to nothing to do with freedom or respecting peoples self determination. 

Exactly what is it you think is hateful and authoritarian? 

 

[Matthew]

11 hours ago, User said:

am as decent to people as they are to me. Very few here engage earnestly and about the same engage free from trying to make things personal. 

Personal attacks are a cultural norm of this forum due to lax moderation. I mean decent in terms being principled, independent thinkers,  able to develop quality arguments based upon sound information rather than made-up self-serving partisan propaganda narratives. There are always the rabble of weak-minded loyal sloganeers, but 15-20 years ago a well- established forum like this would have had a core of at least a half dozen free thinking stalwart conservatives.

11 hours ago, User said:

The issues being discussed here have next to nothing to do with freedom or respecting peoples self determination. 

Every bit as much as vaccines do, or compulsory education, or anti child-labor laws. Sometimes it's ok for the government to use its authority to demand or prohibit a certain thing for children. A lot of parents have dumb idea about gender. The wacko mom refusing to gender her toddler is failing just as much as the wacko father beating his 12 year old son for crying. It's reasonable to have the government limit what can be done to small kids, but teenagers are of an age where they should start to have a say over their future. Making laws about what treatment teenagers with their parents consent can get, or outlawing mental health services in schools, or outlawing what names have to be used against people's will are moves that directly impose authoritarian limits on things that should reasonably be up to individual and parental choice.

11 hours ago, User said:

Exactly what is it you think is hateful

Let's assume that these alternative gender ideas are simply a cultural belief that you find false.  I am sure you have cultural beliefs that are important to you and your identity. And you would certainly take umbrage to having your beliefs and your identity attacked, belittled, made illegal, described as contagious disease. Some in this thread have suggested that ridiculing and shaming these people is the only way to stop it.

Edited February 9, 2025 by Matthew

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, Matthew said:

1. That's just what they cost right now temporarily due to bird flu. Insulin only costs a few dollars to make and they have been charging hundreds of dollars per vial for decades before democrats finally fixed it.

2. Sounds dumb. Sometimes in a democracy some of your money goes towards stuff you think is dumb. For example in Trumps first term he spent 307 days on golf outings. That's almost 25% of his presidency and you paid for that too.

3. People like to come to the US. Yes the system for controlling and managing that should be better. Trump stopped a major bill from passing because it wanted the problem to be worse.

4. Nonsense. There is sex mentioned in lots of good literature. Actual etrotica should not be in schools but what republicans are doing is hurting English language education. I know READING teachers who have taken all books out of their classroom just to avoid the hassle republicans have done to them to catalogue it all. Just because republicans think kids are leaning about gay stuff from the school books rather than from the whole society and the internet.

1. It's not just the eggs, my friend, as I stated earlier - it's jacked up prices for every f*cking thing that has a price tag on it. Democrats are responsible for all of it. 

2. What's dumb is jacked up prices, and thanks to democrats, we're paying a lot more for less. 

3. People like to break laws, and thanks to democrats, millions and millions of illegal aliens broke our immigration laws and committed other crimes as well. 

4. Perfect sense. You degenerates have been trying to sexualize Americas kids for years. Fortunately that shit is rapidly coming to an end.

You degenerates can keep your pornos and gender identity bullshit all to yourselves.  

Edited February 9, 2025 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Personal attacks are a cultural norm of this forum due to lax moderation. I mean decent in terms being principled, independent thinkers,  able to develop quality arguments based upon sound information rather than made-up self-serving partisan propaganda narratives. There are always the rabble of weak-minded loyal sloganeers, but 15-20 years ago a well- established forum like this would have had a core of at least a half dozen free thinking stalwart conservatives.

Every bit as much as vaccines do, or compulsory education, or anti child-labor laws. Sometimes it's ok for the government to use its authority to demand or prohibit a certain thing for children. A lot of parents have dumb idea about gender. The wacko mom refusing to gender her toddler is failing just as much as the wacko father beating his 12 year old son for crying. It's reasonable to have the government limit what can be done to small kids, but teenagers are of an age where they should start to have a say over their future. Making laws about what treatment teenagers with their parents consent can get, or outlawing mental health services in schools, or outlawing what names have to be used against people's will are moves that directly impose authoritarian limits on things that should reasonably be up to individual and parental choice.

Let's assume that these alternative gender ideas are simply a cultural belief that you find false.  I am sure you have cultural beliefs that are important to you and your identity. And you would certainly take umbrage to having your beliefs and your identity attacked, belittled, made illegal, described as contagious disease. Some in this thread have suggested that ridiculing and shaming these people is the only way to stop it.

LOL 

Leftists always excuse their bad behavior by pretending to be too smart and others too stupid.

I've watched you make arguments kiddo. At best you're barely average intellectually, and that's on a good day with a tail wind. 

And considering that you are constantly attacking conservative identity, belittling it, frequently trying to make it illegal and treat it as a mental deficiency you'll have to understand why nobody takes anything you're saying right now seriously in the slightest.

As to your little blurb about the government, you seem to suggest that it's perfectly okay for governments to compel behavior for example attending school as a child. You're probably an American. Why don't you look up residential schools in Canada. You're going to find that in fact governments do extreme harm when they force people to do things against their will for the so-called good of the nation.

The only reason our government has to Curtail or compel Behavior is to prevent infringement on the rights of others and they have to prove that such infringement would be GREATER than the infringement against them. 

 

THe great dictators of time all thought like you. Hitler said very similar things. Stalin would be all over you as a true comrade. Mao would have loved it. 

No kid. It is NOT ok for gov't to compel behavior. That is not an ok thing. 

And honestly if you were half as smart as you think you are you'd still be twice as smart as you are now. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Matthew said:

Making laws about what treatment teenagers with their parents consent can get, or outlawing mental health services in schools, or outlawing what names have to be used against people's will are moves that directly impose authoritarian limits on things that should reasonably be up to individual and parental choice.

Children are children. These are decisions impacting them for the rest of their lives, they do not have the ability or maturity to make those decisions. 

We restrict many things children can or can't do as well as what parents can and can't do to them. 

This is hardly some novel authoritarianism we are discussing here. 

This is also only a small part of the overall issues at hand here. 

You are also using the flowery generic language instead of calling it what it is. We are talking about drugging children with hormones or blocking them, chopping their balls and breasts off. The "mental health services" are those that lie to children and parents that they will die if they don't get treatment or those that "affirm" them being something they are not. 

 

2 hours ago, Matthew said:

Let's assume that these alternative gender ideas are simply a cultural belief that you find false.  I am sure you have cultural beliefs that are important to you and your identity. And you would certainly take umbrage to having your beliefs and your identity attacked, belittled, made illegal, described as contagious disease. Some in this thread have suggested that ridiculing and shaming these people is the only way to stop it.

Attacked how? Belittled how? Made illegal how? described as contagious disease how?

This is all generic stuff, you have not answered my question. 

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, User said:

These are decisions impacting them for the rest of their lives, they do not have the ability or maturity to make those decisions. 

Yes, teenagers start making decisions that impact their future lives and health. Getting jobs,  driving cars, sexual activity, joining the military, getting jobs, playing sports with high chance of lifelong injury etc. As a general principle, is it the job of government to outlaw teenagers from decision-making involving risky behavior?

1 hour ago, User said:

We are talking about drugging children with hormones or blocking them, chopping their balls and breasts off.

Yep I get it. I do think there is an age at which it should never be done. But then there is a point at which government coersion over an adolecent with parental consent becomes too intrusive.

1 hour ago, User said:

The "mental health services" are those that lie to children and parents that they will die if they don't get treatment

No in this case I'm refering to state laws that have banned ALL mental health screening in schools. Which is very ironic because whenever a school shooting happens republicans like to say it's a mental health issue which needs to be the policy focus. But then they also make it illegal for schools to ask students about despression, isolation, and suicidal thoughts.

1 hour ago, User said:

Attacked how? Belittled how? Made illegal how? described as contagious disease how?

Attacked and belittled with insults, demeaning language, and often physically. Made illegal by being the target of many, many laws that make it more difficult for them to live life. Described as a conscious desease by calling them or their experience a contagen and mental disease.

Edited February 9, 2025 by Matthew

[Matthew]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

At best you're barely average intellectually

I completely agree. Which makes your situation even more dire.

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, Matthew said:

I completely agree. Which makes your situation even more dire.

Yes, because as an intelligent person i have to put up with your barely adequate thinking  

At least you don't drool like robosmith, but still. 

You are not an intellectual, you are not of any particularly noteworthy mental acuity and i'm being nice. But your entire posture there was "People who believe like i do are smart and you scum who don't are dumb".

Kid, Ya aint and neither is your ideology. Sorry to break it to you. 

[User]

3 hours ago, Matthew said:

As a general principle, is it the job of government to outlaw teenagers from decision-making involving risky behavior?

Um, yes.

We have laws regarding drinking, driving, smoking, porn, sex shops, adult entertainment, TV/Movie/Video Game content, Legal contracts, work and on and on and on….

But your line on authoritarianism is not letting them get surgery mutilating their bodies to appear to be something they are not.

3 hours ago, Matthew said:

But then there is a point at which government coersion over an adolecent with parental consent becomes too intrusive.

Life changing mutilating surgery isn’t it.

3 hours ago, Matthew said:

No in this case I'm refering to state laws that have banned ALL mental health screening in schools.

What state law are you talking about?

3 hours ago, Matthew said:

Attacked and belittled with insults, demeaning language, and often physically. Made illegal by being the target of many, many laws that make it more difficult for them to live life. Described as a conscious desease by calling them or their experience a contagen and mental disease.

There is no wide spread or condoned efforts to belittle and insult folks, unless you are trying to say merely speaking the truth is an insult… then we are at an impasse. 
 

Again, you claim to mostly agree here… but it appears that is meaningless if you are here opposing speaking about it or doing anything about it.

What good does it do for you to say you agree that men shouldn’t compete in women’s sports… if you think saying that is an insult and you refuse to actually support any laws to enforce that to protect girls? 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, User said:

Um, yes.

We have laws regarding drinking, driving, smoking, porn, sex shops, adult entertainment, TV/Movie/Video Game content, Legal contracts, work and on and on and on….

 

"Daddy. can i stay up as late as i want?"

-No, you're no too young to make that decision.

"Can i eat cake and Candy for dinner?"

- No, you're not old enough to make that decision. 

"can i have surgery that alters my body permanently in a way that i could regret for the rest of my life based on feelings that i have that are still developing as i age and approach puberty and which may have long term health risks i don't fully undrestand?"

-Well you're the only one who can decide that, as a parent i really shouldn't have a say. You could ask your teacher i guess?

 

This is LITERALLY how the left thinks the world should work 

[Matthew]

13 hours ago, User said:

We have laws regarding drinking, driving, smoking, porn, sex shops, adult entertainment, TV/Movie/Video Game content, Legal contracts, work and on and on and on….

Ok let's look at this list:

- In most states it is legal for parents to t a child drink alcohol in their own home.

- Adolecents can legally start driving even as young as at 14 in most states. This is probably the most risky activity they will do.

- Letting a teenager smoke even at home is unlawful in most places, but a parent smoking in a room or in a car with their child is legal.

- Most teens have watched online pornography and Ive never heard of a parent being prosecuted for allowing it or not sufficiently preventing it.

- Parents can allow their kids to watch movie, video game, tv show.

- Teenagers as young as 14 are legally working and can legally do some dangerous jobs like in agriculture and meat packing plants (in my state the republicans recently relaxed the child labor laws to make sure they could).

- Also you left out sports. Some widespread sports like football have a high percentage of permanent injury and they are not only legal but subsidized by school district taxpayers.

Point being, if your argument is that the health risk is too high for any teenager, I think that IS a reasonable thing to focus on but in all these things you listed our society allows discretion for teenagers to do the risky life-altering thing.  So why in this one case do you think the government needs to override teenagers and parents individual freedom to decide their own life?

13 hours ago, User said:

What state law are you talking about?

Here in Iowa the law was SF 496. One of several anti-trans laws. The law forbids mental health screenings without explicit parental consent. So if a kid is in a crappy home and experiencing a mental health crisis, their irresponsible, checked-out, or even abusive parents aren't going sign a permission slip to allowing the school to ask them questions about their mental wellbeing.

13 hours ago, User said:

you claim to mostly agree here

Insofar as I don't believe anyone is inherently transgender. I have no problem with promoting a public health policy that treats alternative gender ideas as a personal belief, albeit an extreme and potentially risky one.

Treating it as a leftist woke disease or whatever the political propaganda is, and having a policy of trying to wipe out an idea, suggests that the goal is social control and social engineering.

Edited February 10, 2025 by Matthew

[User]

7 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Ok let's look at this list:

You are very selectively looking at that list... 

Many of those states also have convoluted laws around only allow certain beverages in private homes with a lower alcohol content or revolve around religious / medical exceptions, not that you are just letting your kids drink a bottle of Jack Daniels... never mind the complications with letting them drink to drunkenness conflicting with child abuse and neglect laws then either. To the spirit of this discussion, there certainly are a host of laws around not allowing minors to purchase, possess or drink alcohol because we as a society have found that they are children and that harms them. The fact that you can let them drink a sip of wine at communion, have exceptions for cooking classes, or that older archaic laws allow them to drink with their parents their home-brewed beverages with a low ABW % than most anything you can buy over the counter is not the argument you think it is. 

But sure... if a parent in their own home wants to convert their daughter into a boy... that isn't what we are talking about here either. We are talking about the medical profession not being allowed to do so or the schools or other resources. You are trying to conflate this with allowing a parent to take their kid to a doctor to get their balls chopped off or druged up or to a "professional" therapist to get "affirming" care. 

So, your argument here is bogus. 

And back to the point, you are doing an awful lot of twisting and contorting here to support something you claim to be opposed to. 

23 minutes ago, Matthew said:

So why in this one case do you think the government needs to override teenagers and parents individual freedom to decide their own life?

They can decide that, what they can't do is take their kids to get their balls chopped off or drugged up or a "professional" to "affirm" them. 

23 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Here in Iowa the law was SF 496. One of sevetal anti-trans laws. The law forbids mental health screenings without explicit parental consent. So if a kid is in a crappy home and experiencing a mental health crisis, their irresponsible, checked-out, or even abusive parents aren't going sign a permission slip to allowing the school to ask them questions about their mental wellbeing.

Your language continues to betray you. For someone trying to claim they agree with me and this stuff is bad... you are using the same "anti-trans" language supporters of it use. 

So... they can perform mental health evaluations, with parental consent. 

You just spent all that time arguing about parental consent... now you oppose it?

You were trying to argue these things were completely removed, not that they require consent. The reason for that is because folks on the left have been pushing this madness in schools without letting parents know. If parents are abusive, we have a ton of laws on the books regarding child wellbeing and entire agencies devoted to protecting them and investigating that. 

31 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Insofar as I don't believe anyone is inherently transgender. I have no problem with promoting a public health policy that treats alternative gender ideas as a personal belief, albeit an extreme and potentially risky one.

Treating it as a leftist woke disease or whatever the political propaganda is, and having a policy of trying to wipe out an idea, suggests that the goal is social control and social engineering.

So, lets get more specific. Do you support laws / policies that prohibit forcing girls to have to compete with boys or forcing women to have to compete against men?

Forcing girls / women to have to share their locker room spaces, bathrooms, or other private areas traditionally off limits to boys/men with boys/men?

Do you support schools enacting policies or states enacting laws that say parents have no right to know if they are affirming their child in a gender they are not? Using pronouns or calling their child by something they are not?