Are you a man or a woman?

[Scott75]

On 10/21/2024 at 2:30 PM, Nationalist said:

On 10/21/2024 at 1:15 PM, robosmith said:

On 10/21/2024 at 10:33 AM, Nationalist said:

On 10/21/2024 at 10:18 AM, Rebound said:

Why are you so obsessed with sex?

Three percent of American teens identify as trans.  I am not convinced that simply telling them they aren’t will remedy their situation. We certainly know that people cannot “pray the gay away.”  
 

Trans people freak me out.  And they probably freak you out.  But that’s our problem, not their problem. They aren’t the way they are because they want us to be offended or disgusted or whatever. 

Marvie. All I disagree with is the sex manipulation of pre-adults kids and the indoctrination of kids.

Figures that you would prefer to keep kids IGNORANT OF REALITY, so they don't discriminate AGAINST YOU. LMAO

Instead you SHAME the ones who FEEL like they're in the WRONG BODY. 🤮

I don't "shame" kids, Tweenkie-Poo. I may pity some...but I don't and won't do anything that interferes with normal growth and health.

I think the key word in your second sentence is "normal". The American Heritage Dictionary, 5th Edition, has this as its first definition of the term:

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• adjective Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical.

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Source:

https://www.wordnik.com/words/normal

So tell me, what do you recommend when minors -don't- conform to your standards of normal? To paraphrase Rebound, do you think they should just 'pray the trans away'? I'm not talking about hormones/hormone blockers or surgery, I'm talking about the gender trans identify with.

This has been around since before the term transgender. In the past, terms like "tom boy" were used for girls who liked to play more with the boys then the girls. Less endearing terms for boys who liked to play with girls, sissy is one I think I remember. I firmly believe that if we allow children to identify as the gender they like, it will lessen any desire to actually change their body with hormones/hormone blockers and surgery.

It's relatively easy to change the gender a person identifies with if they so choose to change their identity back to one that conforms with their biological sex. Hormones/hormon blockers and surgery, on the other hand, can have permanent affects. 

Edited January 25, 2025 by Scott75

[Scott75]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:57 AM, Deluge said:

On 1/20/2025 at 3:53 AM, Scott75 said:

It's actually more complicated than that. Many people don't get any hormones/hormone blockers and surgery and yet still don't conform to gender norms. What I've been arguing is that we should be more accepting of people who don't conform to gender norms, even going so far as accepting they are the opposite gender to their biological sex -without- the need of them to get hormones/hormone blockers and surgery. By doing so, I think we can help curtail the desire to get hormones/hormone blockers and surgery to begin with. 

No, it's the other way around: those people should be more accepting of gender norms. The fact that they lack the self awareness to understand that THEY are not normal and that THEY should be keeping their preferences to themselves ,is telling. 

What they really need more than anything else, is professional help. 

I strongly disagree. If a girl wants to be a tomboy and identify as a he for x amount of time, or if a boy wants to play more with girls than with boys and even identify as a she for x amount of time, I think it's society that should be more accepting of both. I firmly believe that by pushing children to conform to gender norms, we are actually pushing them into much more radical things, leading to things such as body dysmorphia, which can then lead to such perceived remedies as hormones/hormone blockers and surgery.

Edited January 25, 2025 by Scott75

[Scott75]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:29 AM, Venandi said:

On 1/21/2025 at 8:44 AM, Scott75 said:

Perhaps, but I think I've at least managed to point out that there is no over-arching "trans agenda".

Not really, backpedaling on the existence of what many see with their own eyes only serves to make the assertion of an agendas nonexistence all the worse.

Moving from shared bathrooms to infiltrating women's sports at all levels of competition wasn't an accident and it wasn't just agenda.... it was beautifully planned and magnificently executed to the point that those who supported the premise you now seem to be espousing feel duped for having supported it in the first place.

I -suspect- that I've already told you that I -don't- support biological men competing in women's sports if biological women don't want them to. Your imagined unified "trans agenda" crumbles right there. 

On 1/21/2025 at 11:29 AM, Venandi said:

How did using a toilet morph into men with beards and lipstick setting powerlifting records in the women's category that will stand for decades?

It didn't. You're talking about 2 different actions. One is trying to make it so that trans people have a place to go to the washroom where they don't feel discriminated against. As I've mentioned before, simply making more unisex washrooms solves the problem there. When it comes to sports though, I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact that biological men generally do better, which is why I support biological women competing in sports where biological men can't participate.

[Scott75]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:29 AM, Venandi said:

So ya, OK, I went along with the "It's just a toilet" thing right up until hulking men started mowing down my granddaughter on the soccer pitch and demanding the right to shower with her in the change room.

Again, I'm in agreement that biological females should have the right to exclude biological males in sports they compete in.

As to showers and change rooms, again, I think the solution is unisex rooms, where everyone has partitioned stalls with lockable doors, so no one can see anything:

https://www.facilitatemagazine.com/good-practice-legal/explainer/2017/08/01/unisex-bathrooms-what-fms-need-know

Edited January 25, 2025 by Scott75

[Scott75]

On 1/21/2025 at 11:46 AM, Venandi said:

On 1/21/2025 at 9:03 AM, Scott75 said:

I personally think everyone in the same bathrooms would favour everyone. For starters, I suspect it'd be more economical. But perhaps most importantly, I think it'd help break down this notion that genders are that different.

OK, guess I missed that sentence.... my answer just went from " hell no" to "no fu^%$#@ way." 

Re reading what I wrote, I think I should have said that it'd help break down this notion that biological sexes are that different. Many people, including myself, now see gender as a social construct, thus getting to the point that gender is something like the colours of the rainbow, blending into each other. Biological sexes generally aren't that way, with intersex people being the lone exception.

So, are you arguing that there is a vast difference between biological males and females?

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Trump certainly has some power in shaping U.S. law, but he's far from the only force. A Los Angeles Times article published yesterday gets into some details of the clash ahead:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-01-23/trumps-rebuke-to-gender-ideology-changes-federal-policy-and-sets-up-clash-with-california

You'll win more than he loses.

Your mistake and the mistake of people like you was to think that you didn't need any cooperation from average people. That you could dictate whatever terms you wanted and be as arrogant and ignorant and rude as you wanted and none of it would matter.

What you will likely find now is that public opinion is not in your favor. And for every step forward you've taken you take three back now. It's probably not going to be that much different in Canada over the next several years.

If you get the chance again in the future, you better realize that being a complete penis like you have been and thinking you have the right to demand things from other people without their consideration and the right to be as much of a hypocrite as you want will get you nowhere in the end. Maybe if you learn how to actually talk to people you can build something that lasts. Otherwise you'll just keep getting crushed faster than a Bud Light can in the trash compactor

[Scott75]

On 1/21/2025 at 1:17 PM, User said:

On 1/21/2025 at 9:03 AM, Scott75 said:

I personally think everyone in the same bathrooms would favour everyone.

Well, not the women who go in alone and get raped or sexually assaulted by the men inside who you have now normalized it being OK for them to be in there.

I remember a comedian once making a joke, his point being that someone who wants to do a crime isn't going to care whether the sign says "women only". Furthermore, by making it unisex, a man could go in to investigate a suspicious sound without the fear of him being punished for going into a "women only" place.

On 1/21/2025 at 1:17 PM, User said:

Its one thing to have a bathroom only one person at a time can enter, but the notion that men and women should share an bathroom is pure ignorance.

There are certanly some bathrooms where it's only one at a time- I've been in those myself. To date, I've yet to be in a multiperson unisex bathroom, but they certainly exist:

https://www.facilitatemagazine.com/good-practice-legal/explainer/2017/08/01/unisex-bathrooms-what-fms-need-know

Wikipedia gets into their pros and cons here:

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The historical purposes of sex-separated toilets in the United States and Europe, as well as the timing of their appearance, are disputed amongst scholars. Safety from sexual harassment, and privacy, were likely two main goals of sex-separation of public toilets, and factors such as morality also played roles.^{[1]: 228, 278, 288–89} Paternalism and resistance to women entering the workplace may have also played a role.^[2] Some women's groups hold that unisex public toilets will be less safe for women than public toilets that are separated by sex; however, some experts say that with the appropriate design interventions, these spaces can improve the safety of all users and reduce the disproportionately long wait times females face in sex-separated public washrooms.^[3][4]

The push for gender-neutral bathrooms is driven at least in part by the transgender community to protect against harassment and violence against this population.^[5] Unisex public toilets may benefit a range of people with or without special needs (e.g. people with disabilities, the elderly, and anyone who needs the help of someone of another gender or sex), as well as parents who need to help their infant or young child with using the toilet.

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Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisex_public_toilet

A few can be found in many countries, including the U.S., Canada and several European countries, as the article above demonstrates.

[Scott75]

On 1/21/2025 at 1:17 PM, User said:

  

On 1/21/2025 at 9:03 AM, Scott75 said:

I personally think everyone in the same bathrooms would favour everyone. For starters, I suspect it'd be more economical. But perhaps most importantly, I think it'd help break down this notion that genders are that different.

Well, shit. You better rewrite all the medical journals that clearly outline more differences between the two sexes than you or I could spend a lifetime listing out here. 

I mean, besides the more obvious ones regarding physical strength, size, hormones, genetics...

Must we really focus on the minutia? The "more obvious" ones are fine to focus on. The prevelance of biological males having more physical strength and size, which I believe is a product of the different hormone mix and genetics they have, is why I -do- support the right of biological females to compete in sports without biological males. 

But aside from that, I think it's doing both males and females a disservice to have so much separation. As I've mentioned before, in the past, there was more of a focus on sex separation, as evidenced by the higher prevalence of single sex schools. This has gone down, which I think most people think of was a good thing. Making more unisex bathrooms is just the continuation of what I think is a good trend. 

[Scott75]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

9 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Trump certainly has some power in shaping U.S. law, but he's far from the only force. A Los Angeles Times article published yesterday gets into some details of the clash ahead:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-01-23/trumps-rebuke-to-gender-ideology-changes-federal-policy-and-sets-up-clash-with-california

You'll win more than he loses.

Did you mean to say "He'll win more than he loses"?

  

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Your mistake and the mistake of people like you was to think that you didn't need any cooperation from average people.

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion that I thought I "didn't need any cooperation from  average people"? 

[Deluge]

8 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I strongly disagree. If a girl wants to be a tomboy and identify as a he for x amount of time, or if a boy wants to play more with girls than with boys and even identify as a she for x amount of time, I think it's society that should be more accepting of both. I firmly believe that by pushing children to conform to gender norms, we are actually pushing them into much more radical things, leading to things such as body dysmorphia, which can then lead to such perceived remedies as hormones/hormone blockers and surgery.

Nope, we're not going to bend the knee to other people's fantasies. They will conform to reality or they can stay home and act out their fantasies in private. Or they can seek professional help. 

[Scott75]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

8 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I strongly disagree. If a girl wants to be a tomboy and identify as a he for x amount of time, or if a boy wants to play more with girls than with boys and even identify as a she for x amount of time, I think it's society that should be more accepting of both. I firmly believe that by pushing children to conform to gender norms, we are actually pushing them into much more radical things, leading to things such as body dysmorphia, which can then lead to such perceived remedies as hormones/hormone blockers and surgery.

Nope, we're not going to bend the knee to other people's fantasies.

This has nothing to do with bending the knee. This has to do with trying to create a life for transgender people that they can thrive in, rather than languish in. There are different statistics out there, but I think you'll appreciate the following one, as it comes from a conservative source:

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In April, England’s National Health Service disallowed puberty blockers for children following a four-year review conducted by independent researcher Dr. Hilary Cass, who wrote in her report that “for most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress.”

Last year, Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala, a leading Finnish expert on pediatric gender medicine, said in a newspaper interview that “four out of five” gender-questioning children will eventually grow out of it and accept their bodies even without medical intervention.

**

Source:

https://nypost.com/2024/10/23/us-news/doctor-refused-to-publish-trans-kids-study-that-showed-puberty-blockers-didnt-help-mental-health/

I strongly believe that we should let gender-questioning children work out for themselves what they'd like their gender to be but refrain from offering medical pathways to deal with the problem. Medical decisions are forever, whereas determining what gender they are can change, and apparently frequently does.

[Deluge]

Just now, Scott75 said:

This has nothing to do with bending the knee. This has to do with trying to create a life for transgender people that they can thrive in, rather than languish in. There are different statistics out there, but I think you'll appreciate the following one, as it comes from a conservative source:

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In April, England’s National Health Service disallowed puberty blockers for children following a four-year review conducted by independent researcher Dr. Hilary Cass, who wrote in her report that “for most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress.”

Last year, Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala, a leading Finnish expert on pediatric gender medicine, said in a newspaper interview that “four out of five” gender-questioning children will eventually grow out of it and accept their bodies even without medical intervention.

**

Source:

https://nypost.com/2024/10/23/us-news/doctor-refused-to-publish-trans-kids-study-that-showed-puberty-blockers-didnt-help-mental-health/

I strongly believe that we should let gender-questioning children work out for themselves what they'd like their gender to be but refrain from offering medical pathways to deal with the problem. Medical decisions are forever, whereas determining what gender they are can change, and apparently frequently does.

This has everything to do with bending the knee. You want to take urinals away and replace them with tranny friendly facilities. You want Americans to bend the knee.

Stop lying. 

[Scott75]

12 minutes ago, Deluge said:

15 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

This has nothing to do with bending the knee. This has to do with trying to create a life for transgender people that they can thrive in, rather than languish in. There are different statistics out there, but I think you'll appreciate the following one, as it comes from a conservative source:

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In April, England’s National Health Service disallowed puberty blockers for children following a four-year review conducted by independent researcher Dr. Hilary Cass, who wrote in her report that “for most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress.”

Last year, Dr. Riittakerttu Kaltiala, a leading Finnish expert on pediatric gender medicine, said in a newspaper interview that “four out of five” gender-questioning children will eventually grow out of it and accept their bodies even without medical intervention.

**

Source:

https://nypost.com/2024/10/23/us-news/doctor-refused-to-publish-trans-kids-study-that-showed-puberty-blockers-didnt-help-mental-health/

I strongly believe that we should let gender-questioning children work out for themselves what they'd like their gender to be but refrain from offering medical pathways to deal with the problem. Medical decisions are forever, whereas determining what gender they are can change, and apparently frequently does.

This has everything to do with bending the knee. You want to take urinals away and replace them with tranny friendly facilities. You want Americans to bend the knee.

Once again, no, I don't want "Americans to bend the knee". I want youth who are questioning their gender to feel supported, while at the same time making it clear that while identifying as one gender or another can be done relatively easily and can be reversed, whereas "gender affirming care" frequently if not always has irreversible characteristics.

As to urinals, as a cis gender male, I never liked them, I prefer more privacy. I've noticed that recently they are getting more privacy, frequently with semi partitions between them. Going all the way to make them full partitioned, just like toilets, and thus making it easier for anyone to use the washroom, is a step in the right direction in my view.

[Scott75]

On 1/19/2025 at 10:47 AM, User said:

On 1/19/2025 at 6:45 AM, Scott75 said:

On 1/8/2025 at 9:14 PM, User said:

Try watching the video next time.

I watched it the first time.

Not based on your trying to say she was talking to us you didn't.

I strongly disagree with that statement. For any audience members, the video that User is referring to can be seen here:

 

Not only have I watched it in its entirety, I transcribed the whole thing in the very post User was responding to, summarized the key points and brought up a very relevant question at the end of my post. All of this can be seen in my post #1206.

[Scott75]

On 1/19/2025 at 10:47 AM, User said:

On 1/19/2025 at 6:45 AM, Scott75 said:

On 1/8/2025 at 9:14 PM, User said:

On 1/8/2025 at 9:08 PM, Scott75 said:

On 12/31/2024 at 8:42 AM, Deluge said:

Feeding the gender fantasy is never a good idea. It's best to identify all human beings by their sex: men and women, boys and girls - just like all societies have done throughout human history. 

Trannies can truly go to hell on this one. 

I strongly suspect that it's attitudes like yours that are one of the causes of traumas like the one User posted way back in post #627. Here's the video he posted:

She certainly wasn't blaming people like us... it was people like you who are pushing this madness onto children who are the problem.

No, I've -never- pushed for so called gender affirming care, and as I've mentioned in this thread, like Chloe Cole, I don't currently think that minors should even have the option to do it.

Not based on your trying to say she was talking to us you didn't.

I never said she was talking to your "us". Deluge had posted the following:

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Feeding the gender fantasy is never a good idea. It's best to identify all human beings by their sex: men and women, boys and girls - just like all societies have done throughout human history. 

Trannies can truly go to hell on this one. 

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Source:

https://repolitics.com/forums/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=54465&content_commentid=1780755

In response, I said:

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I strongly suspect that it's attitudes like yours that are one of the causes of traumas like the one User posted way back in post #627. Here's the video he posted:

**

Source:

https://repolitics.com/forums/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=54465&content_commentid=1783317

I stand by my statement.

Edited January 25, 2025 by Scott75

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, Scott75 said:

Once again, no, I don't want "Americans to bend the knee". I want youth who are questioning their gender to feel supported, while at the same time making it clear that while identifying as one gender or another can be done relatively easily and can be reversed, whereas "gender affirming care" frequently if not always has irreversible characteristics.

As to urinals, as a cis gender male, I never liked them, I prefer more privacy. I've noticed that recently they are getting more privacy, frequently with semi partitions between them. Going all the way to make them full partitioned, just like toilets, and thus making it easier for anyone to use the washroom, is a step in the right direction in my view.

Yes you do. Do you not understand what you're saying? When you say you want the youth "supported" you're saying you want to force support for the youth. You've been told at least a dozen times that the majority of Americans are not interested in that bullshit, yet you're still flapping your gums. Most kids who want to identify as something else had those ideas planted by wokejob educators, and that's going to end. 

You're an activist, Scott '75, and America's sick of the woke bullshit. 

Semi-partitions are perfect. 

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, Scott75 said:

I never said she was talking to your "us". Deluge had posted the following:

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Feeding the gender fantasy is never a good idea. It's best to identify all human beings by their sex: men and women, boys and girls - just like all societies have done throughout human history. 

Trannies can truly go to hell on this one. 

**

In response, I said:

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I strongly suspect that it's attitudes like yours that are one of the causes of traumas like the one User posted way back in post #627. Here's the video he posted:

**

I stand by my statement.

Have you watched that video yet? It's a testament AGAINST the bullshit you're peddling. 

You're a f*cking menace, Scott '75, and you don't even know it. 

[User]

3 hours ago, Scott75 said:

I remember a comedian once making a joke, his point being that someone who wants to do a crime isn't going to care whether the sign says "women only". Furthermore, by making it unisex, a man could go in to investigate a suspicious sound without the fear of him being punished for going into a "women only" place.

No, someone intent is not going to care... but we certainly do not have to normalize expecting them to be in there either. 

Men can already go in to help someone if needed. 

 

[User]

3 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Must we really focus on the minutia? The "more obvious" ones are fine to focus on. The prevelance of biological males having more physical strength and size, which I believe is a product of the different hormone mix and genetics they have, is why I -do- support the right of biological females to compete in sports without biological males. 

But aside from that, I think it's doing both males and females a disservice to have so much separation. As I've mentioned before, in the past, there was more of a focus on sex separation, as evidenced by the higher prevalence of single sex schools. This has gone down, which I think most people think of was a good thing. Making more unisex bathrooms is just the continuation of what I think is a good trend. 

Um, yeah. When you are here trying to make this absurd argument about how males and females are not really that different, then I am going to focus on all the reasons they are in fact different. 

What exactly is this separation you are talking about that is doing them so much disservice?

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Scott75 said:

Not only have I watched it in its entirety, I transcribed the whole thing in the very post User was responding to, summarized the key points and brought up a very relevant question at the end of my post. All of this can be seen in my post #1206.

Yes, you copied and pasted the whole thing... what you didn't do is actually highlight which parts you think meant what you are here claiming. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Scott75 said:

I stand by my statement.

Your statement is a load of garbage. 

These children are not wandering around all alone, upset at things we have said, and then wandering into a surgical center and cutting their own breats off and prescribing themselves hormones. 

No, it is the adults like you who are feeding into this BS, who play on them and their fears, telling them that if they don't do these things they will die. 

It is you and folks like you who are doing that and encouraging this madness and that is who she is talking to. 

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Did you mean to say "He'll win more than he loses"?

Sure. Voice dictation doesn't always catch things perfectly and you're not really worth spending a lot of time proofreading over  

6 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion that I thought I "didn't need any cooperation from  average people"? 

Yes. Most of this thread actually. It's quite obvious. It's been pointed out numerous times as well.

But like most on the left who can't actually form a logical argument you ignored all of those times when the issue was raised and now when somebody points it out again you pretend to be clueless as if it has never come up and demand evidence of what you yourself said.

In any case you were wrong. Has the public turns against you you will come to regret your attitude and behavior that somehow you had the rights to treat others however you like and expect them to do what you want anyway. You'll find that's not how it works. 

[Scott75]

On 1/19/2025 at 10:47 AM, User said:

On 1/19/2025 at 6:45 AM, Scott75 said:

No, I've -never- pushed for so called gender affirming care, and as I've mentioned in this thread, like Chloe Cole, I don't currently think that minors should even have the option to do it.

But... you do think minors should be told that boys can be girls and all it takes for a girl to be a boy or vice versa is for them to say they are.

No, I've never said that either. I do believe that boys and girls should be allowed to claim whatever gender they wish, but that's not the same thing as saying that a boy or a girl can simply transform into the opposite sex.

On 1/19/2025 at 10:47 AM, User said:

So, you are just fine with gender affirming care, pushing this onto kids

No, I think I've told you multiple times that I am -not- in favour of kids getting gender-affirming care. I've even gone to say that I don't think kids should even be allowed to get it, at least any of the hormones/hormone blockers and surgery part of it. Furthermore, I even have reservations when it comes to adults getting gender-affirming care, though I do think they should be allowed to get it.

I just learned that voice and communication therapy is also a part of gender-affirming care- that part might be alright. If you'd like to know more about all the aspects of gender-affirming care, you can take a look at the following link:

https://www.webmd.com/sex/gender-affirming-care

Edited January 26, 2025 by Scott75

[Venandi]

On 1/25/2025 at 2:52 AM, Scott75 said:

So, are you arguing that there is a vast difference between biological males and females?

Not vast but it exists, it's biologically based and there's an anthropological reason for it.

The danger is engaging in tribal warfare over science based biological differences in a way that trivializes the science itself. You end up fighting science with social narrative and I think it's a difficult tactic to prevail with. 

I'm not going to write a book that you won't bother reading so here's a quick video summation. Even if you don't like the players here try and separate science / narrative and take it for what it's worth. Lots more on line so I'll leave you to your own homework:

 

As an aside, here's where I think the gender "war" is headed. It will either become more respectful / diplomatic or it will get crushed... see the link below.

I've framed this idea in a variety of ways on a variety of threads, I think it applies to several topical areas and the danger (in terms of what I'll call " progressive movements" for lack of a better word) is in getting aggressive and creating more enemies than friends by virtue of it.

If you are converting supporters who wished you well into opponents it might be time for a "quality assurance" check. If I were a progressive tactician I'd be concerned about polling and election results to the point that I'd be modifying tactics right now. I think the need for that pivot is becoming increasingly apparent to thoughtful activists now.

A simple shift to advocating for peaceful coexistence without shoving an aggressive agenda down the throats of others is the best path ahead IMO, but proceed as you see fit.

There is some tactical wisdom in the article below IMO and I'll leave you with it... I'll also suggest that just because Doggie, Roboduh and Herb support your ideas doesn't make them assets... they're actually hurting the cause.

I see no sense in circling the buoy any further so I'll leave you to it... cheers.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/adam-zivo-prominent-trans-activist-calls-for-change

 

Edited January 26, 2025 by Venandi

[Scott75]

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

On 1/25/2025 at 12:52 AM, Scott75 said:

So, are you arguing that there is a vast difference between biological males and females?

Not vast but it exists, it's biologically based and there's an anthropological reason for it.

We agree on this.

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

The danger is engaging in tribal warfare over science based biological differences in a way that trivializes the science itself.

Your reasoning sounds good. Could you give me an example of the above happening?

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

I'm not going to write a book that you won't bother reading so here's a quick video summation. Even if you don't like the players here try and separate science / narrative and take it for what it's worth. Lots more on line so I'll leave you to your own homework:

 

I saw your video. I will say that while I don't always agree with Jordan Peterson, I certainly have at times. As an example, I know he wrote an article on the Ukraine war a few months after it started, where I certainly agreed with some of his points. I would say the same with the video above. But the video you posted doesn't get into that many details, so I think that's as far as we can go with this.

  

1 hour ago, Venandi said:

As an aside, here's where I think the gender "war" is headed. It will either become more respectful / diplomatic or it will get crushed... see the link below.

I've framed this idea in a variety of ways on a variety of threads, I think it applies to several topical areas and the danger (in terms of what I'll call " progressive movements" for lack of a better word) is in getting aggressive and creating more enemies than friends by virtue of it.

If you are converting supporters who wished you well into opponents it might be time for a "quality assurance" check. If I were a progressive tactician I'd be concerned about polling and election results to the point that I'd be modifying tactics right now. I think the need for that pivot is becoming increasingly apparent to thoughtful activists now.

A simple shift to advocating for peaceful coexistence without shoving an aggressive agenda down the throats of others is the best path ahead IMO, but proceed as you see fit.

There is some tactical wisdom in the article below IMO and I'll leave you with it... I'll also suggest that just because Doggie, Roboduh and Herb support your ideas doesn't make them assets... they're actually hurting the cause.

I see no sense in circling the buoy any further so I'll leave you to it... cheers.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/adam-zivo-prominent-trans-activist-calls-for-change

I skimmed your article. I'll quote the conclusion:

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She wants critics to understand that her positions were considered radically progressive only a decade ago, and that, when responsible guardrails are in place, medical transitions can be profoundly beneficial to authentic transsexuals. Before transitioning, Wu’s dysphoria “broke (her) as a person,” fuelling addiction issues, she told me. Now, she is a successful business owner and a proud taxpayer who has been happily married to a man for 16 years.

Wu said she doesn’t need anyone to believe “some esoteric argument about me truly being a woman” and just wants people to “let me have autonomy over my own body and to make decisions with my healthcare provider.” Not every trans activist needs to be like her, but if more adopted her approach, maybe the gender culture war could simmer down.

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So she's clearly for transitioning for authentic transsexuals. I'm alright with that. She also states she doesn't need anyone to believe "some esoteric argument about me truly being a woman"- which I think we can all agree with as well.

I think the real issue is, what would be best? I personally think that it would be best if we allow people to define their gender as the one they identify with and I -suspect- that Wu would agree. 

Edited January 26, 2025 by Scott75