Sinwar Dead!

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, User said:

baseless assertions

What baseless assertions? Point to one and then address it with something from the historical record as opposed to your butt.

Explain the reason Palestinians  commemorate Land Day. 

3 minutes ago, User said:

I think the point here is that you are too cowardly to own what it is you really support here. 

Resistance is all I support. You support submission.

[User]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What baseless assertions?

 

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Resistance is all I support. You support submission.

Still too cowardly to just admit it. 

[Legato]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That's right I did. When that finally sinks in perhaps you can ask yourself why our grandfathers refused to accept Jewish refugees from Europe.

 

Ah so this is just about me is it?

Nothings about you. Unfortunately that fact will always escape those with a shallow thought process.

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, User said:

Still too cowardly to just admit it. 

What are you talking about I admit making lots of assertions in this thread. It's not my fault they make your head explode.

2 minutes ago, Legato said:

Nothings about you. Unfortunately that fact will always escape those with a shallow thought process.

So it's about you, not me?

That's a relief.

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What are you talking about I admit making lots of assertions in this thread. It's not my fault they make your head explode.

So it's about you, not me?

That's a relief.

I rest my case.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Legato said:

I rest my case.

What case?

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What case?

Your head.

[eyeball]

22 minutes ago, Legato said:

Your head.

My head is fine, I'd be more worried about User's.

Don't get any on you.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

So does anyone who supports the manner in which Israel was created. What's your point? Terrorism comes in different flavors or something?

 

 

your just reaching now, today Your state of Palestine is a terrorist state, who's sole goal is to destroy Israel...nothing more, nothing less.....you can't state the same thing about Israel...thats the point...Israel is not listed on any western terrorist list are they....PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah all on the terrorist lists...Lets face it Eyeball your a terrorist supporter....plain and simple...you and several other members on this forum....

[User]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

What are you talking about I admit making lots of assertions in this thread. It's not my fault they make your head explode.

No, you clearly want the destruction of Israel, you are just too cowardly to admit it. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Israel is not listed on any western terrorist list are they...

It should be. It's creators certainly were.

In particular the Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the United Nations, British, and United States governments; in media such as The New York Times newspaper;[8][9] as well as by the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry,[10][11] the 1946 Zionist Congress[12] and the Jewish Agency.[13] Albert Einstein, in a letter to The New York Times in 1948, compared Irgun and its successor Herut party to "Nazi and Fascist parties" and described it as a "terrorist, right wing, chauvinist organization".[14]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

They killed Jews that got in their way and even sought the assistance of Axis Powers. That might explain why they were described as right-wing fascists.

Extremely anti-British, the group repeatedly attacked British personnel in Palestine and even invited aid from the Axis powers.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

You'd need a time machine to make this stuff up.

 

[User]

59 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It should be. It's creators certainly were.

Can you show us where you are getting this organization were the creators of Israel from?

There were about half a dozen major contributors to the creation of Israel, including The Jewish Agency, and Irgun were not one of them. 

They certainly contributed to an atmosphere leading to the eventual creation... but you sitting here claiming they were the creators is taking some real creative license with reality. 

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, you clearly want the destruction of Israel, you are just too cowardly to admit it. 

Bullshit, I clearly said I support Israel. Go back and read my response to Legato.

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, User said:

Can you show us where you are getting this organization were the creators of Israel from?

Can you please clean this question up. God only knows where it might lead if I try to answer it.

In the meantime it's perfectly clear from the sources I've provided where I'm coming from too.

Can you provide any scathing accusations  of anti-Semitism directed at Albert Einstein from back in the day? Looks to me like he was coming from the same place.

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, User said:

They certainly contributed to an atmosphere leading to the eventual creation... 

That's right they contributed terrorism to the cause and Israel, you and several other hypocrites supported it.

Irgun went on to become the IDF and it's leader a Prime Minister.

40 minutes ago, User said:

but you sitting here claiming they were the creators is taking some real creative license with reality. 

It is reality though no matter how much you can't bear to face it.

[User]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Bullshit, I clearly said I support Israel. Go back and read my response to Legato.

Clearly not. All your arguments go back to trying to justify the "resistance" against them. 

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Can you please clean this question up. God only knows where it might lead if I try to answer it.

In the meantime it's perfectly clear from the sources I've provided where I'm coming from too.

Let me dumb this down for you. You said they were the creators of Israel. What do you base that on?

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Can you provide any scathing accusations  of anti-Semitism directed at Albert Einstein from back in the day? Looks to me like he was coming from the same place.

Why would I need to? What is this same place you think he is coming from?

Onace again, all you have is this vague BS. 

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's right they contributed terrorism to the cause and Israel, you and several other hypocrites supported it.

Where do you get this from? Just more BS. 

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Irgun went on to become the IDF and it's leader a Prime Minister.

You have a simpleton and dishonest view of history.

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

It is reality though no matter how much you can't bear to face it.

So, back to the question... what do you base this assertion on?

 

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, User said:

All your arguments go back to trying to justify the "resistance" against them. 

So long as resistance = genocide in your mind they'll be ridiculous and lead nowhere.

26 minutes ago, User said:

Let me dumb this down for you. You said they were the creators of Israel. What do you base that on?

History.

28 minutes ago, User said:

Why would I need to? What is this same place you think he is coming from?

Onace again, all you have is this vague BS. 

He acknowledged that your precious Zionists were terrorists - something you refuse to do.

30 minutes ago, User said:

Where do you get this from? Just more BS. 

You're the one who said Irgun and others contributed to the creation of Israel wtf is it you think they contributed, lollipops and kisses?

34 minutes ago, User said:

You have a simpleton and dishonest view of history.

It's a view shaped by Occam's Razor. The simpler of two competing explanations is the preferred one.

You haven't explained a thing. All you've done is cast aspersions and run around with your head on fire.

[ironstone]

Sinwar and his family liked to carry a lot of cash with them. And I mean a lot! Stacks of it. His wife carrying a $32,000 dollar handbag as well.

 

[User]

On 10/19/2024 at 12:04 PM, eyeball said:

So long as resistance = genocide in your mind they'll be ridiculous and lead nowhere.

What are you talking about? You are the one whose arguments ALL can be reduced to "resistance" to you. You justify any and every thing being done boiling it down to "resistance" going back to before the formation of Israel. 

There is no resolution to this, based on your arguments here, other than the destruction of Israel. 

On 10/19/2024 at 12:04 PM, eyeball said:

History.

what history? You know your arguments have no merit, so you have to play these games to avoid answering the questions. 

On 10/19/2024 at 12:04 PM, eyeball said:

You're the one who said Irgun and others contributed to the creation of Israel wtf is it you think they contributed, lollipops and kisses?

"contributed" has a very large scale from 0 to solely responsible. You claimed they created Israel. You won't explain how. 

On 10/19/2024 at 12:04 PM, eyeball said:

He acknowledged that your precious Zionists were terrorists - something you refuse to do.

Which ones? You are here trying to argue all Israelis are terrorists now based on this... to justify any and all "resistance" to them. 

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

There is no resolution to this, based on your arguments here, other than the destruction of Israel. 

Sure there is, stop subjugating Palestinians. I have little doubt there will need to be an international peacekeeping force positioned between Israel and Palestine, perhaps for a couple of generations, but it is what it is.

1 hour ago, User said:

You justify any and every thing being done boiling it down to "resistance" going back to before the formation of Israel. 

I have made it very clear that war crimes are not justified.

1 hour ago, User said:

what history?

History history. Fu ck why are you so determined to be as stupid as a doorknob about this?

1 hour ago, User said:

contributed" has a very large scale from 0 to solely responsible. You claimed they created Israel. You won't explain how. 

By killing people who resisted being subjugated and dispossessed of their homes and lands.

1 hour ago, User said:

Which ones?

The Stern gang, Irgun, Haganah amongst others. Do you know how to use a search engine? Just type in Zionist Terrorists and go see for yourself.

1 hour ago, User said:

You are here trying to argue all Israelis are terrorists now based on this... to justify any and all "resistance" to them. 

No, I've simply been pointing out to you and others around here that you support terrorism and always have. Some, very grudgingly, can bring themselves to face reality but you take the cake for absolute total denial. I also get the sense they'd submit to it. Caving to terrorism is the same as supporting it AFAIC.

I've never said all Israelis are terrorists at all. In fact I've pointed out that Israelis who criticize their governments subjugation of Palestinians are also referred to as anti-Semite terrorist sympathizers, aka Self-hating Jews.

Haaretz writes that the term is almost exclusively used today by the Jewish right against the Jewish left, and that within left-wing and liberal circles it is "usually considered a joke".[46]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

 

 

[User]

57 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure there is, stop subjugating Palestinians. I have little doubt there will need to be an international peacekeeping force positioned between Israel and Palestine, perhaps for a couple of generations, but it is what it is.

What subjugation? 

There was already one of these in Lebanon... look how much good that did. 

All your arguments are known to be wholly impractical and bad in practice, the outcomes known. What you support is the destruction of Israel while you defend attacking them as resistance. 

58 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I have made it very clear that war crimes are not justified.

And? So what? You have also made it very clear you support not stopping them. It is meaningless. 

59 minutes ago, eyeball said:

History history. Fu ck why are you so determined to be as stupid as a doorknob about this?

You are the one being stupid. You refuse to offer substantive answers. This is is vague and meaningless. 

59 minutes ago, eyeball said:

By killing people who resisted being subjugated and dispossessed of their homes and lands.

Simple question. Exactly how much of current Israeli land do you think is Israel land they should get to keep?

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

The Stern gang, Irgun, Haganah amongst others. Do you know how to use a search engine? Just type in Zionist Terrorists and go see for yourself.

So, not all of Israel nor those who created Israel. 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I've never said all Israelis are terrorists at all. In fact I've pointed out that Israelis who criticize their governments subjugation of Palestinians are also referred to as anti-Semite terrorist sympathizers, aka Self-hating Jews.

And yet all your arguments go back to saying it all started with Israeli terrorism to justify all existing terrorism. 

There is no end to your argument other than the destruction of Israel. You are just too big of a coward to admit it. 

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, User said:

All your arguments...

I'm not arguing. I'm simply putting facts in front of you.

16 minutes ago, User said:

You refuse to offer substantive answers.

Try giving me a substantive question. Is this one perchance?

18 minutes ago, User said:

Exactly how much of current Israeli land do you think is Israel land they should get to keep?

That needs to be determined through negotiations with Palestinians.

Too bad no one thought to ask that before Zionists waltzed in with guns blazing.

20 minutes ago, User said:

So, not all of Israel nor those who created Israel.

Is this what you found when you searched the terms Zionist terrorism?

23 minutes ago, User said:

And yet all your arguments go back to saying it all started with Israeli terrorism to justify all existing terrorism. 

No I'm saying terrorism and subjugation justifies resistance.

28 minutes ago, User said:

There is no end to your argument other than the destruction of Israel. You are just too big of a coward to admit it. 

Did you read my response to Legato like I said?

Too bad you can't wrap your head around that term then we could start arguing for a change. Here's the argument I'll be making once you do; there will be no end to resistance so long as there is no end to subjugation.

[User]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm not arguing. I'm simply putting facts in front of you.

Oh great, its a Monty Python skit. 

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Try giving me a substantive question. Is this one perchance?

Keep running. You can't back up your crap, fine. 

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That needs to be determined through negotiations with Palestinians.

Too bad no one thought to ask that before Zionists waltzed in with guns blazing.

And if Palestinian's position is that all the land is theirs? 

Once again, you avoid a question I asked you what you thought. You claimed they were dispossessed of their homes and lands, so what are these homes and lands you are talking about?

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No I'm saying terrorism and subjugation justifies resistance.

And you keep referencing something that happened long ago... so, there is never any end to the "resistance" you support until Israel is wiped off the face of the map. 

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Here's the argument I'll be making once you do; there will be no end to resistance so long as there is no end to subjugation.

You can't define what the subjugation is you are talking about. 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, User said:

Oh great, its a Monty Python skit. 

More like SNL I by think.

4 hours ago, User said:

Keep running. You can't back up your crap, fine. 

What crap?

4 hours ago, User said:

And if Palestinian's position is that all the land is theirs? 

Deal with it, I'm quite certain this starting position will be no different than Israel's negotiators.

4 hours ago, User said:

Once again, you avoid a question I asked you what you thought. You claimed they were dispossessed of their homes and lands, so what are these homes and lands you are talking about?

The same homes and lands that Israel claims belongs to them.

It wasn't just land btw, Palestinians built a railway, ports, cities, factories, schools, markets...you do realize there were some 1.7 million people living there don't you? The reparations are going to be massive. But if I was Israel I'd probably send a big chunk of the bill to the countries responsible for giving these stolen goods to them.

4 hours ago, User said:

And you keep referencing something that happened long ago...

Not that long ago, certainly within living memory.

4 hours ago, User said:

so, there is never any end to the "resistance" you support until Israel is wiped off the face of the map. 

That's right, there'll be no end to the resistance until Israel stops the subjugation.

Then everyone sits down and starts drawing a new map.

To be sure though I think it's very very unlikely these two things will happen in our lifetimes.

4 hours ago, User said:

You can't define what the subjugation is you are talking about. 

I don't have to, the actions of Zionist terrorists and the IDF they morphed into speak far far more eloquently to what it was about.

Edited October 21, 2024 by eyeball

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, User said:

There was already one of these (peacekeeping force) in Lebanon... look how much good that did. 

I missed this. 

The peacekeeping force will obviously need to be as well armed as the combatants if it's to have an effect.