Palestinian activists in Canada celebrate Hamas on Oct 7 anniversary

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52 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

Most leftists are racists and don't even know it.  When people treat others differently depending on their race, religion, that means they're racists and bigots.  

 

What constitutes making a person a "leftist" and how are most leftists racists? People are people, and if anything, I have found more people on the right of centre to be intolerant of others. 

[Moonlight Graham]

26 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

What constitutes making a person a "leftist" and how are most leftists racists? People are people, and if anything, I have found more people on the right of centre to be intolerant of others. 

If you change the way you treat someone because of their race you're a racist.  Leftist ideology puts people of some races on pedestals and other races at the bottom of some weird racial hierarchy based on "victim" and "oppressor" thinking.

[Five of swords]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I wouldn't want it, since power corrupts

Suits me

[herbie]

58 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If you change the way you treat someone because of their race you're a racist.  Leftist ideology puts people of some races on pedestals and other races at the bottom of some weird racial hierarchy based on "victim" and "oppressor" thinking.

While you try listening to a news broadcast or reading a paper, you should grab a dictionary shile you're at it.
Or make up an entirely new words for imaginary things.
 

[Five of swords]

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No the genociders in Gaza and their supporters in Canada.  I'm sorry you hate yourself and blame yourself and your country for all the world's woes and put no responsibility on terrorist genocidal maniacs and their supporters.  You do this again and again.  Being a victim doesn't excuse their behaviour.

My views are mine alone, i'm not responsible for the views of other people you seem to associate me with but whom I don't associate with.  But I can tell you that weak self-hating people like yourself are unable to defend this country and its people from those that threaten it.  Criminals, terrorists, foreign governments.  The proof is in the pudding.  You can only defend our country from the people you don't like (billionaires).  You should probably dislike genocidal terrorist supporters also.  I would hope you believe they're antisemites if they're telling Jews "to go back to Europe".

Most leftists are racists and don't even know it.  When people treat others differently depending on their race, religion, that means they're racists and bigots.  Justin Trudeau treats everyone different based on their skin colour, gender etc.  It's just weird.

Who has more power:  Coolio, DUI Offender, or Five of Swords?

What a pointless question, lol

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15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No the genociders in Gaza and their supporters in Canada.

Get a grip.

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm sorry you hate yourself and blame yourself and your country for all the world's woes

Again, get a grip. I don't hate anyone. And all the world's woes... hyperbole much?

Karma and blowback are simply cause and effect.

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

and put no responsibility on terrorist genocidal maniacs and their supporters

I've made it patently clear again and again that the war criminals on Oct 7 need to be charged and tried like any other war criminal.

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You do this again and again.

Then why hasn't it sunk in?

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Being a victim doesn't excuse their behaviour.

It's excused Jewish terrorism.

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

My views are mine alone, i'm not responsible for the views of other people you seem to associate me with but whom I don't associate with.

You need to take more responsibility for your own views. Your references to Nazis has become so routine you don't even realize it. Nothing underscores the utter emptiness of your rhetoric better than your own automatic heedless use of it. As I said just like the words anti-Semite and woke. You might as well just make a noise like a fart.

 

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

But I can tell you that weak self-hating people like yourself are unable to defend this country and its people from those that threaten it

Fu ck you too.

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Criminals, terrorists, foreign governments.  The proof is in the pudding.  You can only defend our country from the people you don't like (billionaires).

And go pi ss up a rope while you're at it.

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You should probably dislike genocidal terrorist supporters also.  I would hope you believe they're antisemites if they're telling Jews "to go back to Europe".

I certainly believe they're being ass holes. I just don't think you people appreciate how and why there is so much passion, however poorly it's expressed around this issue. Look around the globe, just about every western country on the planet is being riven by this disaster and it will be going on for centuries.

Go back to Europe? They never should have had to leave in the first place. AFAIC European Jews should have been given a big chunk of Germany and reparations from Axis countries plus any others that Germany subverted into being like them towards Jews.

Instead, we sent them to the ME so we wouldn't have to put up with them.

I don't see any difference between go back and go somewhere else, do you?

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Most leftists are racists and don't even know it. 

Most conservatives are ass holes and revel in it.

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

When people treat others differently depending on their race, religion, that means they're racists and bigots. 

When conservatives treat everyone that isn't one like a hated enemy expect to have it thrown right back in your fu cking face.

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Justin Trudeau treats everyone different based on their skin colour, gender etc.  It's just weird.

Everyone IS unique. Get used to it.

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25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

from the origins in the French Revolution, the left is towards man ; to wit the Commune in the streets

while the right is towards God; as expressed at the time by the monarch as God's representative on earth

Oh horseshit... The original right in France was towards a relatively small number of wealthy landowners, generals and other elites that sat to the monarch's right in the Assembly 

The left was where common people who at the time included both conservatives and progressives sat to the left of the monarch.

Somewhere along the way conservatives chose to ingratiate and align themselves with their betters on the right.

Rulers in communist countries have the same arrangement where they rely on a small yet powerful coterie of sycophants to keep the far larger population at bay. 

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15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the common people at the time were far too uneducated to understand how they were being manipulated therein

Horseshit, everyone knows when they're being screwed over.

[herbie]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

we Britons

We?
You're endless tongue bathing of Monarchs and colonial history does not make you one, in the same way the endless professing of one's Christianity does not make that person one either.
But in the meantime speak for yourself. We are not Britons.

[herbie]

Yeah I swore an oath too, that was to Elizabeth II and my country.
She's dead. I only hold an oath to my country. Not to Chucky, not to history, not to any religion.

We say. Not the literal words of someone else who made you repeat it. We are Canadians not f*cking Britons. We are far more than Britons.

[Moonlight Graham]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Get a grip.

You don't think Hamas are genociders?  Or their supporters who were in the streets on Oct 7 as Jews mourned being massacred and taken hostage by them?

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Karma and blowback are simply cause and effect.

So how is it not cause and effect and blowback for the Islamic caliphate empire conquering Israel 1400 years ago and ethnically cleansing the Jews?  Your first reaction is to blame Canada, the US, Europe, but not those that actually started this whole mess in the first place.  As I said, stop feeling guilty all the time and blaming yourself for everything.

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I've made it patently clear again and again that the war criminals on Oct 7 need to be charged and tried like any other war criminal.

This is the first i've seen you say this.  Someone's first take to the information I've presented in the OP should be "this is terrible, people should not be supporting Hamas jihadist terrorism against civilians in our streets" not "this is our fault and now we're paying the price"

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It's excused Jewish terrorism.

There's no excuses for anyone breaking international law.  Whichever entity does it is irrelevant.

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You need to take more responsibility for your own views. Your references to Nazis has become so routine you don't even realize it. Nothing underscores the utter emptiness of your rhetoric better than your own automatic heedless use of it. As I said just like the words anti-Semite and woke. You might as well just make a noise like a fartim

When people behave and speak like Nazis and antisemites i'll call them Nazis and antisemites.  If someone is expressing or implementing woke ideology i'll call them that too.  There's nothing wrong with using appropriate labels.  If people don't want to be called Nazis then i'd suggest they stop supporting the indiscriminate massacre of Jewish civilians.

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you people

Define "you people".  People who do not tolerate violent racist rhetoric and support for terrorism against civilians?

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I certainly believe they're being ass holes. I just don't think you people appreciate how and why there is so much passion, however poorly it's expressed around this issue. Look around the globe, just about every western country on the planet is being riven by this disaster and it will be going on for centuries.

I have no issues with people being upset at people dying in war or with illegal Israeli settlements or Israel breaking other international laws, nor would I even be upset if they support attacks on Israeli military targets.  The issue here is people marching in support of Hamas on the Oct 7 anniversary and others calling for the death of Israel and Canada.  Oct 7 was not a legitimate act of resistance, it was an act of terrorism against civilians.  I shouldn't have to qualify my disgust for these pro-Hamas protestors filling our streets across Canada on Oct 7.

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Go back to Europe? They never should have had to leave in the first place. AFAIC European Jews should have been given a big chunk of Germany and reparations from Axis countries plus any others that Germany subverted into being like them towards Jews.

They should never have been ethnically cleansed from their indigenous lands.  The vast majority of Arabs, Palestinians, Muslims don't want to share, don't want any compromise, they want literally 100% of the state of Israel gone and will stop at nothing until that happens.  "From the river to the sea...".   Israel has a right to exist and share the territory with Palestinians.  Ancient religious sites and buildings belong to Jews and they have just as much right to live in the cities they helped originally form and build as the Arabs do who helped do the same.

Imagine if today non-indigenous Canadians wanted to take over all native reserve land and all the unceded land in BC and QC and ethnically cleanse a lot of them and kill innocent indigenous civilians to do it.  I'd call them genocidal maniacs.

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When conservatives treat everyone that isn't one like a hated enemy expect to have it thrown right back in your fu cking face.

Good thing I haven't done that.  Equating this OP with racism is ridiculous.  Not all Muslims/Arabs in Canada marched in the streets on Oct 7.  Get a grip.

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Everyone IS unique. Get used to it.

That's the whole point.  We're all individuals with unique characteristics regardless of race or gender, we're not defined by our skin colour or gender and treating people as such is racist and sexist.

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Shots fired at Toronto Jewish girls school overnight: police

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/north-york-jewish-elementary-school-1.7351214

[Moonlight Graham]

On 10/11/2024 at 4:08 PM, herbie said:

Yeah I swore an oath too, that was to Elizabeth II and my country.
She's dead. I only hold an oath to my country. Not to Chucky, not to history, not to any religion.

We say. Not the literal words of someone else who made you repeat it. We are Canadians not f*cking Britons. We are far more than Britons.

You swore an oath to the Queen of Canada and her heirs and successors.  Charles is the King of Canada.  You're right, we're Canadians not Britons.

[herbie]

4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You swore an oath to the Queen of Canada and her heirs and successors.  Charles is the King of Canada.  You're right, we're Canadians not Britons.

Like I said, F*ck words I didn't write - "I" decide. It ended with Her Majesty, time to grow up now, kiddies.
The monarch is just a face on the coins, so f*cking important in this day & age, he still hasn't even made it there.

[Moonlight Graham]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

Like I said, F*ck words I didn't write - "I" decide. It ended with Her Majesty, time to grow up now, kiddies.
The monarch is just a face on the coins, so f*cking important in this day & age, he still hasn't even made it there.

You agreed to the oath by your own willful actions, nobody forced you.  It's a verbal legal contract.  It's a gift many have and would die for.  If you don't agree to it anymore then you renounce your oath and citizenship.  Yes that's your decision.

If I moved to another country I'd either abide by the local laws or leave.  I certainly wouldn't feel so entitled to start changing the most basic aspects of their constitution to suit my own beliefs.

You couldn't even begin to comprehend the psychological HORRORS, the crippling mental disabilities, members of my family have suffered most of their lives as a result of defending this country so the likes of you can have the freedom to mouth off like an entitled brat and treat your oath like a joke.  So who the F*** do you think you are?

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1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If I moved to another country I'd either abide by the local laws or leave.  I certainly wouldn't feel so entitled to start changing the most basic aspects of their constitution to suit my own beliefs.

Oh really? And what if you were a Jew moving to Palestine in 1946 - 47?

Probably argue what country, what constitution? Without those there are no local laws to abide by.

...budda budda budda budda budda!!! Yeehaw! Or Yahweh...whatever...

[herbie]

Oh the whole discussion about oaths is irrelevant. More so when sworn to as a Cub Scout, Boy Scout or Cadet, or even as an adult before 1982 when the monarchy shit meant Canada. That's the part that makes you a loyal citizen.

To a country where you're able to disagree, even because you're a bleeding imbecile, to assemble and protest freely.
Throw rotten eggs and tomatoes at id!ots that cheer for Hamas, burn the flag and chant Death to Canada. Stop whining that they should make it illegal if you won't even risk a whack on the peepee to show your disapproval.

[I am Groot]

On 10/9/2024 at 10:41 AM, ironstone said:

The failure of multiculturalism.

It has failed everywhere it has been implemented by the Leftist elites.

[I am Groot]

On 10/9/2024 at 3:38 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Yeah, the Nazis were karma for harsh WW1 reparations too?  The Nazis are just innocent victims eh?  No personal responsibility.

Self-hatred is psychological disorder.

Yeah, but most of the Left don it like a fashionable outfit they can wear to the ball, where they all congratulate each other on how they're so cosmopolitan and sophisticated. And isn't Barcelona lovely this time of year? You know, the kind of people who go to gallery openings. Oh, just read that galleries are afraid to showcase artists who are Jews now, lest they offend their customers or draw angry crowds of brownshirts. 

[I am Groot]

On 10/10/2024 at 3:39 PM, Five of swords said:

Israel has been dispossessing, marginalizing, and indeed attempting genocide against palestinians by making gaza and the west bank unlivable. I see nothing wrong with or surprising about militant resistance to that situation.

You should look at some of the videos available of Gaza before the war. It was quite liveable. The West Bank too. You don't think so? Compare them to videos from Pakistan or Bangladesh.  What is most challenging to the Palestinians are the precautions and security set up by Israel to protect its people. But one must remember the walls and fences and security checkpoints weren't always there. Palestinians once worked in Israel proper in large numbers. Then came the intifada and suicide bombings and suicide attacks, and so now they have this - which is nothing more than the results of their own actions.

 

On 10/10/2024 at 3:39 PM, Five of swords said:

It is interesting to me that it is somehow ASSUMED that Canadians (and indeed all 'western countries') should side with Israel in this conflict.

Normally we would align with civilization against barbarism, yes.

 

On 10/10/2024 at 3:39 PM, Five of swords said:

It would be more 'normal' for Canadians to be indifferent about a conflict between people halfway around the world. But The fact Canadians are expected to side with Israel suggests to me that jews simply have too much power in canada.

Or that Canadians who don't hate Jews side with civilization over barbarism and savagery.

On 10/10/2024 at 3:51 PM, Five of swords said:

The British empire died by 'winning' world War 2, which it also started. It is silly to speak of the British empire today as if it has any relevance. The British empire should only be viewed as a relic of history and a cautionary tale to not make the same mistakes that the British empire did. I.e....fighting hitler.

Tell me where your glorious Third Reich is these days. 

[I am Groot]

On 10/10/2024 at 7:31 PM, Five of swords said:

Lol...so you understand why it would be in my interest to have power...

Not in anyone else's, though. 

On 10/10/2024 at 9:44 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

If you change the way you treat someone because of their race you're a racist. 

Not necessarily. You could be merely prejudiced. 

[herbie]

Oh FFS the discussion on the subject has devolved into !diocy. Oaths of fealty like peasants on GOT and people who don't realize the British Empire has been merely a "Commonwealth Club" since that 1970s concluding that does is a Nazi sympathizer.

Close it and lock the thread, Godwin territory has been achieved.

[Five of swords]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Not in anyone else's, though. 

Not necessarily. You could be merely prejudiced. 

It would benefit all of my people...that would be the whole point

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, Five of swords said:

It would benefit all of my people...that would be the whole point

Yeah, well, the thing is that rarely works out for anyone, even in tightly homogenous communities/nations. In a democracy in a country with an enormous number of different groups, ethnicities, races, religions, such an attitude would be a disaster and lead to endless violence and disorder.

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Yeah, well, the thing is that rarely works out for anyone, even in tightly homogenous communities/nations. In a democracy in a country with an enormous number of different groups, ethnicities, races, religions, such an attitude would be a disaster and lead to endless violence and disorder.

Democracy is stupid. You also can simply remove the other ethnicities and inform them this country is not for them.