Tyreek Hill - Miami-Dade Police

[WestCanMan]

He's an id10t. 
There was no problem until TH started one. 

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I hear you, pilgrim

none the less, I thirst for American freedom from here behind the lines

there is no free speech here, no first amendment, quite the opposite

can you imagine ?

Hence why I think folks sometimes need a reality check. They whine about how terrible it is in America in 2024. maybe not perfect but plenty that is great. 

[Hodad]

52 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I posted the definition and the list of things considered excessive. Nothing in that video indicates excessive force.

Bullshit. Excessive force is force beyond what can reasonably be expected to obtain compliance. 

They told him to get out of the car. He immediately opened the door and began to comply, and instead of letting him follow the direction they literally dragged him out, forced him to the ground. He did not resist and posed no threat, yet they put him face-down on the ground, a knee in his back and cuffs on his wrists 

There is simply no excuse for this unprovoked assault during a basic traffic stop. They rapidly escalated the situation for no reason. Massive overreaction by power tripping a-holes. And it wouldn't have happened to a white guy in a business suit. 

Betting now that MPD apologizes and fires at least one of the scummy cops.

[gatomontes99]

25 minutes ago, User said:

OMG, are you going to quibble over unnecessary and excessive?

If the force was unnecessary, then it was excessive. 

Again, you just keep asserting it is not excessive because you can't actually respond to the absurdity of their ripping him out of his car within seconds of asking him to exit. They didn't even give him a chance. That they shoved him to the ground instead of giving him a chance to sit on his own. 

None of that was reasonable use of force. None of it. 

All they had to do was write the ticket and give it to him. Thats it. 

 

All excessive force is unnecessary.

Not all unnecessary actions are excessive force.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Hence why I think folks sometimes need a reality check. They whine about how terrible it is in America in 2024. maybe not perfect but plenty that is great. 

pray for us, those denied our God given rights

[User]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

All excessive force is unnecessary.

Not all unnecessary actions are excessive force.

It is not a mere "action" we are talking about; it is force. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Betting now that MPD apologizes and fires at least one of the scummy cops.

No one will be fired. We will be lucky if we get any kind of apology unless its part of a deal where Hill agrees to not sue them... 

[User]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

He's an id10t. 
There was no problem until TH started one. 

Shit, the police should have just shot him. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, User said:

Shit, the police should have just shot him. 

It's not just black guys that have to be polite to cops. Everyone does. 

I'd never leave my window rolled up when a cop was telling me to roll it down. 

He made that cop tell him to roll down the window several times. Getting put face-down on the pavement was normal. 

I'm not gonna sit here feeling sorry for an id10t like that. 

[Dougie93]

10 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

Hence why I think folks sometimes need a reality check. They whine about how terrible it is in America in 2024. maybe not perfect but plenty that is great. 

just to give you an example of what an utter lunatic asylum Canada has become

this is not a joke, the police here have charged a woman with "assault with a weapon"

and the weapon was a squirt gun

Ontario woman says she's charged with assault — over a water gun fight

The woman's daughter says she was part of a water gun fight with some children when a neighbour was hit with a 'rogue spray of water'

SIMCOE – A woman says she’s in disbelief after being charged with assault with a weapon for what she calls the act of spraying a person during a water gun fight.

Wendy Washik, 58, was named by Ontario Provincial Police in a news release after a Labour Day weekend incident on Woodway Trail in Simcoe and has since been suspended from her job.

“I’m very upset that my full name was disclosed (but) the type of weapon wasn’t mentioned,” Washik said, adding she was charged with the offence without being asked a “single question.”

Ontario Provincial Police in the Norfolk County town of 15,000, located roughly an hour southeast of London, called the Sept. 1 incident a neighbour dispute and said one person was “physically assaulted” but no injuries were reported.

OPP spokesperson Const. Andrew Gamble said details about what kinds of weapons are involved in charges are not generally shared with the public unless there’s a specific safety concern or a way it could help an investigation.

In a GoFundMe post aimed at helping Washik raise money for legal fees, Washik’s daughter, Randi Washik, said her mother was part of a water gun fight with some neighbouring children when another neighbour was hit with a “rogue spray of water.”

Reads the post: “There was clearly no intent to injure anyone during this harmless activity.”

When police arrived, mom-of-two Washik – an educational assistant who works with children with developmental disabilities – was criminally charged.

“Wendy Washik is an outstanding example of an ideal citizen within the community and it is outrageous that she has been burdened with these slanderous accusations,” the GoFundMe post states.

It indicates she’s been suspended from her 25-year career as an educational assistant and alleges the charges are unnecessary. The fundraising page, shared on community social media groups, had raised more than $2,600 as of Sunday.

Const. Gamble said every case is thoroughly investigated to ensure it’s handled appropriately.

“We are committed to maintaining high standards in our investigative work, regardless of how the public may perceive the allocation of resources,” he said. “Our focus remains on doing our job effectively, ensuring that each case receives the attention it deserves, regardless of public perception.”

Washik is scheduled to appear for the first time in Simcoe court on Sept. 24.

https://nationalpost.com/news/local-news/woman-says-shes-charged-with-assault-over-a-water-gun-fight/wcm/7c4d86d3-929b-41a5-850b-7fa0665229dc

 

 

[User]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not just black guys that have to be polite to cops. Everyone does. 

I'd never leave my window rolled up when a cop was telling me to roll it down. 

He made that cop tell him to roll down the window several times. Getting put face-down on the pavement was normal. 

I'm not gonna sit here feeling sorry for an id10t like that. 

You don't have to be polite to police. You certainly should... but you don't have to. That is not a crime not an excuse or justification for the force they used on him. 

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, User said:

You don't have to be polite to police. You certainly should... but you don't have to. That is not a crime not an excuse or justification for the force they used on him. 

But you do have to comply with lawful orders, which TH did not do. 

The police had every right to yank him from his car and restrain him, and they didn't overdo it from what I saw. I only watched until they were putting his arms behind his back though.

If they kicked him or anything at that point, it would be too much. 

[impartialobserver]

A guy in a Tesla sped past me this morning doing an estimated 100 mph. Later on, I saw that he was pulled over.. Guess what? His window was up and he was not being cuffed or pulled out of his vehicle. Hmmm... 

[User]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

But you do have to comply with lawful orders, which TH did not do. 

The police had every right to yank him from his car and restrain him, and they didn't overdo it from what I saw. I only watched until they were putting his arms behind his back though.

If they kicked him or anything at that point, it would be too much. 

How can you comply with a lawful order to get out of your car when you are given less than a few seconds before they are opening your door and ripping you out?

The officer was driving his knee into Hill's back to pin his arm down when Hill was not resisting. 

Then, what is your excuse for the Officer running over to pull him down to the ground when he was already in hand cuffs?

Seriously dude... you have no clue what you are talking about. 

[User]

13 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

A guy in a Tesla sped past me this morning doing an estimated 100 mph. Later on, I saw that he was pulled over.. Guess what? His window was up and he was not being cuffed or pulled out of his vehicle. Hmmm... 

Exactly. 

The officer had already turned his back to Hill and was walking away to write the ticket, the other officer walked away and turned his back to Hill to go look at the VIN. 

The business being conducted was over. He put his window up. 

There was no reason for any of it or the escalation at all. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, User said:

How can you comply with a lawful order to get out of your car when you are given less than a few seconds before they are opening your door and ripping you out?

He failed to comply with the lawful order to roll down his window several times, so you're right, he only did have a few seconds to comply with the order to get out of his car. He failed at that as well.  

Then he got knee pressed on his back 😭

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The officer was driving his knee into Hill's back to pin his arm down when Hill was not resisting. 

He was more focused on his cel phone conversation than complying, so he wasn't actually complying. So he got the knee. Boo hoo.

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Then, what is your excuse for the Officer running over to pull him down to the ground when he was already in hand cuffs?

I didn't watch that far. 

Was it really so egregious that I oughta look? 

TH was actually just a stupid, rude guy who was pulled over for breaking traffic laws and he ended up being treated like a stupid, rude guy who broke the law. 

The system isn't set up to protect stupid, rude people who break laws from being treated a bit roughly. All those cops have more important jobs to do than "Take their time with Tyreek Hill and endure his rudeness so that Tyreek can have a really pleasant experience."

Zero f's given.

[WestCanMan]

36 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

A guy in a Tesla sped past me this morning doing an estimated 100 mph. Later on, I saw that he was pulled over.. Guess what? His window was up and he was not being cuffed or pulled out of his vehicle. Hmmm... 

😮 Wow.

I nominate your post for the "Unrelated Anecdote of the Year Award". 

(Tim Walz drove that fast drunk 😉)

Edited September 11, 2024 by WestCanMan

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

😮 Wow.

I nominate your post for the "Unrelated Anecdote of the Year Award". 

(Tim Walz drove that fast drunk 😉)

so then how do you explain why the guy had his window up? It apparently is part of standard protocol when issuing traffic citations. 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

so then how do you explain why the guy had his window up? It apparently is part of standard protocol when issuing traffic citations. 

Did you stick around to see if he was mistreated? 

If he was going 100mph he must have been on a hwy, so how long did you have to monitor the situation?

[impartialobserver]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Did you stick around to see if he was mistreated? 

If he was going 100mph he must have been on a hwy, so how long did you have to monitor the situation?

Interesting how you can't answer a direct question.... Yes, we were on a highway and he passed me up roughly 15 miles before my destination. At the end, It is always a bottleneck and so observed him for roughly 2 minutes. Never once, was the window rolled down nor was the officer demanding it be rolled down. Every time that I have been pulled over.. they come to the driver side, tell me why they pulled me over, and then I roll the window up while they run the plates and such.. It is not that complex. 

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Interesting how you can't answer a direct question....

It was more ridiculous than direct:

• how do I know why the window wasn't rolled down?
•  how do I know how that interaction went? You've really said nothing about how their interaction seemed to be going.

You didn't even say if the cop was at his window while it was up.  

You're trying to imply that "You saw a similar interaction between a cop and a 'speeding Tesla driver' where the cops put up with a similar level of rudeness" but your story lacks way to many details to form any sort of equivalency. 

[impartialobserver]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

It was more ridiculous than direct:

• how do I know why the window wasn't rolled down?
•  how do I know how that interaction went? You've really said nothing about how their interaction seemed to be going.

You didn't even say if the cop was at his window while it was up.  

You're trying to imply that "You saw a similar interaction between a cop and a 'speeding Tesla driver' where the cops put up with a similar level of rudeness" but your story lacks way to many details to form any sort of equivalency. 

First, the similarity is that the Tesla was speeding and was pulled over. So then why was the officer ok with the window being rolled up? The Tesla driver could have had a gun. I could see that the cop was running the plates and such. So while he was running the plates.. interesting how he and his partner (because there was two in the police vehicle) were ok with all 4 windows rolled up. Who knows.. the Tesla may have been rude? Or could it be that the cops in the case of Hill were simply hot heads. 

[User]

22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I nominate your post for the "Unrelated Anecdote of the Year Award". 

Funny, seeing as you are basing your justification on the use of force on completely unrelated things...

Your position is basically, screw Hill, don't care. 

So, do you think the police would have been cool to shoot him too? Maybe break his leg? Kick him in the nuts?

Just trying to figure out if we can objectively quantify the standards you are supporting for LEO here on a routine traffic stop. 

Like, hey this guy is not showing me enough respect... BAM, shoot the bastard. 

Whats funny is that I did a little search and you were on this forum crying about Ashli Babbet being "murdered"

Maybe she wasn't showing enough respect and F her too, right?

 

[impartialobserver]

Lets see how it goes on thursday. Miami is a 2.5 pt favorite against Buffalo at home. My guess is that Hill has an decent to good game against a Buffalo secondary that has seen some turnover since last year.