Tyreek Hill - Miami-Dade Police

[User]

Wow. I finally watched all the body camera footage. Just insane. 

This was an example of bad, unprofessional, ego-driven policing. Police are supposed to be professionals who de-escalate situations. 

They barely gave him any time to comply with the window being down, then he gets it opened up and they start demanding he get out, he was clearly trying to get out and they started ripping him out and aggressively cuffing him. 

For what? Just write him his speeding ticket and send him on his way. No need for any of this. 

Then, even worse, he is already in hand cuffs, surrounded by armed officers, and he doesn't sit down fast enough. He was clearly pleading with them to give him a moment and then an officer runs over and drags him to the ground mocking and cursing at him. 

There is no excuse for any of this behavior. They make police look awful when they act like this. 

 

 

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, User said:

Wow. I finally watched all the body camera footage. Just insane. 

This was an example of bad, unprofessional, ego-driven policing. Police are supposed to be professionals who de-escalate situations. 

They barely gave him any time to comply with the window being down, then he gets it opened up and they start demanding he get out, he was clearly trying to get out and they started ripping him out and aggressively cuffing him. 

For what? Just write him his speeding ticket and send him on his way. No need for any of this. 

Then, even worse, he is already in hand cuffs, surrounded by armed officers, and he doesn't sit down fast enough. He was clearly pleading with them to give him a moment and then an officer runs over and drags him to the ground mocking and cursing at him. 

There is no excuse for any of this behavior. They make police look awful when they act like this. 

 

 

this is just Smokey doing his thing

 even if you are a Peckerwood

if you are non compliant in any way

Smokey will do it to you too

best thing to do,  is keep your Veterans ID next to your drivers licence

put your hands through the wheel to keep him calm

just like clicking your heels together to the chain of command

yessir, right away, sir, oorah

then Smokey will usually knock the ticket down and send you on your way

but if you get uppity with the Overseers, of course you're gonna beat down

now Tyreek,  with a net worth of $40 million;  can afford the lawyers

but for a Peckerwood;  no sense copping a hole shot over a speeding ticket

go home to your wife, live to fight another day

Deo Vindice

Edited September 10 by Dougie93

[impartialobserver]

For once, I will agree with the OP. The cops in this situation are going to face repercussions. In the bigger picture, this is why in most precincts.. they are having a hard time recruiting new police officers. 

[gatomontes99]

I think Tyreek would have been just fine of he hadn't been kind of a pr1ck. Next time, leave the window down, give them the license and insurance and if you get a ticket, pay it or argue with the judge. Areguing with the cop and not following lawful commands will get you cuffed.

Think of it from the cop's perspective. They have no idea what is going on behind that tinted glass. He could have pulled a gun. It was for everyone's safety that he keep the window down.

And the b.s. lie about just having knee surgery so he can't sit. Give me a break. He can't sit but he can run 22 mph and score a touchdown? Now. C'mon man.

For his part, the cop did let Tyreek get to him. He probably could have been a little less of a dick. But Tyreek did it to himself.

[impartialobserver]

Every time that I have been pulled over.. there has never been a single syllable about the window being up or down. Sure, Tyreek Hill was not being perfectly cordial but most people when they are pulled over are not just brimming with joy. 

[gatomontes99]

Just now, impartialobserver said:

Every time that I have been pulled over.. there has never been a single syllable about the window being up or down. Sure, Tyreek Hill was not being perfectly cordial but most people when they are pulled over are not just brimming with joy. 

Bullspit. You've never been pulled over and refused to roll down your tinted window. If you had, they would have said something.

[Hodad]

For people who still haven't caught on, this is just being Black in America. And this was a guy in a supercar. It doesn't get better for the nobody driving a 12-year-old Corolla. 

Not every interaction, every time, but the mistreatment is real and disproportionate. 

[impartialobserver]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

Bullspit. You've never been pulled over and refused to roll down your tinted window. If you had, they would have said something.

Yeah.. no. I have rolled up the window while they ran the plates and such and when they come back, I roll it back down, get my ticket, listen to the schpiel, and moved on. No, I did not refuse but there was never any instructions as to have it up or down. 

[User]

7 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

I think Tyreek would have been just fine of he hadn't been kind of a pr1ck. Next time, leave the window down, give them the license and insurance and if you get a ticket, pay it or argue with the judge. Areguing with the cop and not following lawful commands will get you cuffed.

Being a jerk is not against the law. Being a jerk is not reason to put someone in cuffs. Police are supposed to be professionals. Period. 

He was not merely put into cuffs either. 

He was aggressively drug out of his car, thrown to the ground, aggressively hand cuffed with a cop on his back. 

He was not arguing with the cop at that point, he was not ignoring lawful commands. Watch the video, from the time they gave him the command to get out of the car to the time they opened the door for him and started pulling him out was seconds. 

10 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Think of it from the cop's perspective. They have no idea what is going on behind that tinted glass. He could have pulled a gun. It was for everyone's safety that he keep the window down.

That is fair... but expecting someone to instantly comply and then going to full angry attack mode when they don't is not OK. 

It was a traffic stop, you already talked to him, you already got his license, you were no longer engaged with him and had stepped away. At that point who gives a crap if he puts his window up. If you want it down, fine, give him time to comply. 

The officer was no longer watching his hands, it was a routine traffic stop. He stepped away and was looking at the VIN. 

Even with the window down, he could have pulled a damn gun. 

12 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

And the b.s. lie about just having knee surgery so he can't sit. Give me a break. He can't sit but he can run 22 mph and score a touchdown? Now. C'mon man.

It doesn't matter if it is BS or not. He was already handcuffed and posed no threat. He was clearly complying and talking to them. Running over to push him down to the ground was excessive force and clearly that police officer was just acting out of anger or frustration. 

And yes, if you have had knee surgery before, it is the transition from sitting to standing that does in fact pose a difficulty. Once you are up moving around, it is a different kind of pressure on the knee. 

 

14 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

For his part, the cop did let Tyreek get to him. He probably could have been a little less of a dick. But Tyreek did it to himself.

Being a dick is not a license for police to act unprofessionally or aggressively or to resort to excessive force. 

Tyreek did not do anything to himself. 

[Dougie93]

i fairness to Smokey, he doesn't know who is going to reach for it and blow him away

Smokey is on high alert therein

don't escalate in that situation

since there is no path to victory therein

just suck it up, and take one for the team

[User]

8 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Yeah.. no. I have rolled up the window while they ran the plates and such and when they come back, I roll it back down, get my ticket, listen to the schpiel, and moved on. No, I did not refuse but there was never any instructions as to have it up or down. 

No shit. Its 105 degrees out and I am putting my window back up with the AC on. Its 20 degrees out with a cold wind blowing, I am putting my window back up. Its a traffic stop, not some felony stop. 
 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, User said:

 Its a traffic stop, not some felony stop.

traffic stop is more dangerous than felony  stop

felony stop they are bringing SWAT

they are most vulnerable at a traffic stop, since they never know who they have stopped therein

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, User said:

No shit. Its 105 degrees out and I am putting my window back up with the AC on. Its 20 degrees out with a cold wind blowing, I am putting my window back up. Its a traffic stop, not some felony stop. 
 

in short, the cop was operating on a bit of a short fuse. This would have flown under the radar in 1980 but not today. Everyone has a smartphone with a camera. Do not need be in network for this. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

traffic stop is more dangerous than felony  stop

felony stop they are bringing SWAT

they are most vulnerable at a traffic stop, since they never know who they have stopped therein

No, a traffic stop *could be more dangerous than a felony stop. 

If they actually were more dangerous, they would be rolling up on every one of them with a full SWAT response. 

The reality is that 99% of their traffic encounters are benign routine matters. 

Again... they already had accessed the situation. They already got his license, they already had him pulled over, they already walked away... if we are playing the game that they thought at any moment it was going to be Danny Divito guns blazin, an officer should have stayed at the window staring at him the whole time. 

Clearly they didn't think he was that much of a threat as they all walked away and were no longer at the window watching him. 



 

[Dougie93]

24 minutes ago, User said:

No, a traffic stop *could be more dangerous than a felony stop. 

If they actually were more dangerous, they would be rolling up on every one of them with a full SWAT response. 

The reality is that 99% of their traffic encounters are benign routine matters. 

Again... they already had accessed the situation. They already got his license, they already had him pulled over, they already walked away... if we are playing the game that they thought at any moment it was going to be Danny Divito guns blazin, an officer should have stayed at the window staring at him the whole time. 

Clearly they didn't think he was that much of a threat as they all walked away and were no longer at the window watching him.

I play it safe myself

because I am married

the most important thing to my wife is that I come home alive

thus I take one for that team ; sacred marriage blessed by the Nazarene

don't f*ck with the Screws, unless and until you are actually sent to jail

Kobayashi Maru ; no win situation

you need to just chill in that situation, don't spook Johnny Law for no good reason

Edited September 10 by Dougie93

[gatomontes99]

25 minutes ago, User said:

Being a jerk is not against the law. Being a jerk is not reason to put someone in cuffs. Police are supposed to be professionals. Period. 

He was not merely put into cuffs either. 

He was aggressively drug out of his car, thrown to the ground, aggressively hand cuffed with a cop on his back. 

He was not arguing with the cop at that point, he was not ignoring lawful commands. Watch the video, from the time they gave him the command to get out of the car to the time they opened the door for him and started pulling him out was seconds. 

That is fair... but expecting someone to instantly comply and then going to full angry attack mode when they don't is not OK. 

It was a traffic stop, you already talked to him, you already got his license, you were no longer engaged with him and had stepped away. At that point who gives a crap if he puts his window up. If you want it down, fine, give him time to comply. 

The officer was no longer watching his hands, it was a routine traffic stop. He stepped away and was looking at the VIN. 

Even with the window down, he could have pulled a damn gun. 

It doesn't matter if it is BS or not. He was already handcuffed and posed no threat. He was clearly complying and talking to them. Running over to push him down to the ground was excessive force and clearly that police officer was just acting out of anger or frustration. 

And yes, if you have had knee surgery before, it is the transition from sitting to standing that does in fact pose a difficulty. Once you are up moving around, it is a different kind of pressure on the knee. 

 

Being a dick is not a license for police to act unprofessionally or aggressively or to resort to excessive force. 

Tyreek did not do anything to himself. 

Why are you being so overly dramatic about this? I've seen the body cam. Neither side looked pure. But this isn't nearly as aggressive or bad as you make it out to be.

Edited September 10 by gatomontes99

[User]

3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Why are you being so overly dramatic about this? I've seen the body cam. Neither side looked pure. But this isn't nearly as aggressive or bad as you make it out to be.

LOL, why are you more upset about my drama here than the police who used excessive force on someone over a routine traffic stop like this?

It doesn't matter how pure Hill was or wasn't, he is not the one with a badge, guns, power, numbers, and authority to enforce the law. 

It was beyond bad and beyond aggressive. Uncalled for and we should demand more, demand better, from police. 

 

[gatomontes99]

1 minute ago, User said:

LOL, why are you more upset about my drama here than the police who used excessive force on someone over a routine traffic stop like this?

It doesn't matter how pure Hill was or wasn't, he is not the one with a badge, guns, power, numbers, and authority to enforce the law. 

It was beyond bad and beyond aggressive. Uncalled for and we should demand more, demand better, from police. 

 

They were not excessive.

[impartialobserver]

3 minutes ago, User said:

LOL, why are you more upset about my drama here than the police who used excessive force on someone over a routine traffic stop like this?

It doesn't matter how pure Hill was or wasn't, he is not the one with a badge, guns, power, numbers, and authority to enforce the law. 

It was beyond bad and beyond aggressive. Uncalled for and we should demand more, demand better, from police. 

 

Once  i got pulled over for speeding through a school zone. To say I was displeased is the understatement of the year. I was 22 and so you can figure out the rest. I was far less civil than Tyreek Hill and no one pulled me out of my vehicle. In the meantime, I was barking out all sorts of obscenities to the cop. I laugh at it now but having my tantrum in the car.. I destroyed the dashboard.. oops. The point is that Hill was not being overly aggressive or overly noncompliant. 

[User]

1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Once  i got pulled over for speeding through a school zone. To say I was displeased is the understatement of the year. I was 22 and so you can figure out the rest. I was far less civil than Tyreek Hill and no one pulled me out of my vehicle. In the meantime, I was barking out all sorts of obscenities to the cop. I laugh at it now but having my tantrum in the car.. I destroyed the dashboard.. oops. The point is that Hill was not being overly aggressive or overly noncompliant. 

Exactly.

All the police had to do was walk back to their motorcycles, write up the ticket, go back, hand it to him, and tell him to have a nice day and watch his speed in the future. 

End of story. 

[gatomontes99]

Just now, User said:

Exactly.

All the police had to do was walk back to their motorcycles, write up the ticket, go back, hand it to him, and tell him to have a nice day and watch his speed in the future. 

End of story. 

So they should have turned their backs on a guy that was concealing what he was doing? Does that sound even remotely like a good idea?

[User]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

They were not excessive.

Clearly excessive. 

I already explained this, you can't actually respond directly to each of the points I laid out. 

-Pulling him out of car -> Excessive use of force

-Putting him on the ground, aggressively cuffing him while pushing down on his back -> Excessive use of force

-Pushing him to the ground while he was already cuffed to force him to sit down -> Excessive use of force

 

Just now, gatomontes99 said:

So they should have turned their backs on a guy that was concealing what he was doing? Does that sound even remotely like a good idea?

They already did. 

The officer walked away to write the ticket, the other officer walked away to look at the VIN. 

 

[User]

There is some desire for some folks to absolutely refuse to be objective in criticizing the police and I do not understand it. 

It is OK to criticize them, they are not perfect. 

 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Once  i got pulled over for speeding through a school zone. To say I was displeased is the understatement of the year. I was 22 and so you can figure out the rest. I was far less civil than Tyreek Hill and no one pulled me out of my vehicle. In the meantime, I was barking out all sorts of obscenities to the cop. I laugh at it now but having my tantrum in the car.. I destroyed the dashboard.. oops. The point is that Hill was not being overly aggressive or overly noncompliant. 

once I got pulled over for doing forty over

a beautiful lady cop full of p1ss & vinegar

so I knew, If I even look at this girl sideways, she's gong to throw the book at me

so I said to myself, just tread softly here, ultra complaint, recruit clicking his heels together to the drill instructor

passed her my driverss licence with veterans ID beside it

and sure enough, she took a liking to me

knocked a forty over down to a ten over, which doesn't even show up on insurance

charming her FTW

[impartialobserver]

On a side note.. Hill kind of got the last laugh. He scored the TD that started the rally which won them the game. Now only 1 game of 17. Going to need him at his best next week against Buffalo.