Mulroney 1993 vs Trudeau Snr 1984 vs Harper 2015 vs Trudeau Jnr 2024

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You want the country to break up?  Why?  Or are you being sarcastic?

I'm quite serious when I say I'd like you to all get your silly countries and nations off my planet.

20 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're essentially signaling that you're submissive and don't really care when imposed on for the sake of "getting along".

Bullshit. You know damn well I have a long record of advocating we construct the Mother-of-All doomsday bombs and telling the world's dictators to go fu ck themselves.

I say better dead than them any day of the week and twice on Sunday (mostly to spite blackbird).

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When it comes time to defend this country just roll on your back and expose your belly and get out of the way of the people who are willing to defend it, and then thank them for your freedom and well-being.

Please...Canada has done next to nothing other than mumble a few regrets about our allies propping up the west's tyrants in its war against tyranny.

Edited September 26, 2024 by eyeball

[Moonlight Graham]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is the fifth column for the Kremlin, as freeloader Canada undermines NATO from within

You're literally an American and British fifth column 🤣  Get f*cked you Russian bot

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Thinking everyone is against us is as bad as thinking that they couldn't harm us.

but who is with Canada ?

America & Britain trust the Australians

but Canada is widely viewed being soft on the Kremlin while being pawns of Beijing

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Any American pledging loyalty to the King of Britain (or King of Canada) isn't an American by very definition.  By the Declaration of Independence, 1776.

pledging fealty to HM The King is a condition of Canadian citizenship

once I cross the border, it is no longer binding

America takes no position against dual citizenship,

there are plenty of American - Canadian dual citizens, neither jurisdiction outlaws it

[Moonlight Graham]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm quite serious when I say I'd like you to all get your silly countries and nations off my planet.

So you don't believe in self-determination?  Gotcha.

You're a naive and idealistic leftist who thinks we can all just get along.  We don't live in the world you think we do.  Many humans unfortunately aren't as nice as you are and they want to take everything you have.  That's why we have cops and laws.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're literally an American and British fifth column 🤣  Get f*cked you Russian bot

implying that you are an enemy of America & Britain therein

good luck with that, Commie Canada

[eyeball]

Just now, Moonlight Graham said:

So you don't believe in self-determination?  Gotcha.

Not the way you understand it no.

I'm all for decentralization though.

[Moonlight Graham]

15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's why China is in decline though. Edit: AND Russia...

 

Thinking everyone is against us is as bad as thinking that they couldn't harm us.

 

"Trust but verify" was an oxymoron but also brilliant....

Not everyone is "against us".  But China and Russia (among others) seek every day to harm us, and often have.  This is a fact verified thousands of times over.  You either put up with it or you don't.  Ignoring it won't solve any problems.

I don't see China in decline.  They did well at the Olympics, they're starting to make headway in IT products and services.  Maybe their population bomb will hurt them but they'll still have a billion+ people and a lot of momentum.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're a naive and idealistic leftist who thinks we can all just get along.

Nope, I'm an enlightened idealistic leftist who knows we must get along or else we'll all perish.

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but who is with Canada ?

America & Britain trust the Australians

but Canada is widely viewed being soft on the Kremlin while being pawns of Beijing

5 eyes... Our allies know that we are with them.  One government doesn't change that 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

implying that you are an enemy of America & Britain therein

good luck with that, Commie Canada

America and the UK are our allies.  But there's a reason why Canada doesn't allow American telecom companies and banks to operate here.  We are sovereign.  Your citizenship isn't "NATO".

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

  The US doesn't honour your Canadian citizenship.  Grow some balls, take a stand, choose your allegiance and choose wisely.

my American citizenship suffices.  My Canadian citizenship  only matters on Canadian soil

Canada doesn't force me to choose,

since Canada hands out citizenship to literally anybody, no questions asked

/shrugs

Edited September 26, 2024 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nope, I'm an enlightened idealistic leftist who knows we must get along or else we'll all perish.

Getting along is much preferable to conflict, obviously.  Some people don't want to get along and there's nothing we can do about that besides defending ourselves.  Like I said, not everyone is as nice as you are.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

5 eyes... Our allies know that we are with them.  One government doesn't change that

I don't have SCI clearance obviously

but I doubt that the NSA & GCHQ view Ottawa as being a reliable partner

Edited September 26, 2024 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

my American citizenship suffices.  My Canadian citizenship  only matters on Canadian soil

Canada doesn't force me to choose,

since Canada hands out citizenship to literally anybody, no questions asked

/shrugs

Yup.  And look at all the milquetoast Canadians it has created who are incompetent or unwilling to defend this country.  Starts at the top with our submissive feminine Prime Minister.

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not the way you understand it no.

I'm all for decentralization though.

Sure me too.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

America and the UK are our allies.  But there's a reason why Canada doesn't allow American telecom companies and banks to operate here.  We are sovereign.  Your citizenship isn't "NATO".

you invoke "fifth column"

a fifth column is your enemy

by the terms of the Canada Act 1982, my nation is the House of Windsor

there is nothing in the oath of allegiance binding any Canadian citizen to the Confederation

see ; The Bloc Quebecois

you concept of Canada is actually a fake country;  in that it doesn't exist in the Constitution

[eyeball]

Just now, Moonlight Graham said:

Getting along is much preferable to conflict, obviously.  Some people don't want to get along and there's nothing we can do about that besides defending ourselves.  Like I said, not everyone is as nice as you are.

Oh I can be pretty mean too. That's why I prescribe giving Ukraine everything they need to decisively put Putin down for the count while signalling the black future he and his allies subscribe to ends now.

We have other more serious issues facing us and we don't have time for dinking around.

[Moonlight Graham]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

my American citizenship suffices.  My Canadian citizenship  only matters on Canadian soil

Canada doesn't force me to choose,

since Canada hands out citizenship to literally anybody, no questions asked

/shrugs

If war breaks out and sh*t hits the fan, people will need to choose.  Ban dual-citizenship.  You're either in or you're out.

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yup.  And look at all the milquetoast Canadians it has created who are incompetent or unwilling to defend this country.  Starts at the top with our submissive feminine Prime Minister.

the Prime Minster is a nobody

the Sovereign, Head of State & Commander-in-Chief is HM King Charles III

10 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If war breaks out and sh*t hits the fan, people will need to choose.  Ban dual-citizenship.  You're either in or you're out.

I am well past fighting age, neither jurisdiction would draft me

but since you actually invoke America & Britain as your enemies in this supposed war

obviously I wouldn't join a treasonous suicide pact like that under any circumstances

Edited September 26, 2024 by Dougie93

[Moonlight Graham]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

5 eyes... Our allies know that we are with them.  One government doesn't change that 

 

Canada isn't even willing to defend itself, how can it help defend its allies?  The Liberals make Jimmy Carter blush.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Canada isn't even willing to defend itself, how can it help defend its allies?

so what exactly are you calling people to fight for therein ?

your pathetic fake country is the de facto ally of the Russians & Chinese by default

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Canada isn't even willing to defend itself, how can it help defend its allies?

 

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

so what exactly are you calling people to fight for therein ?

 

Exactly...

Perhaps instead of always trying to think bigger we should try thinking smaller.

[Dougie93]

31 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Not everyone is "against us". 

laughably, Canada is actually turned against itself

"White Supremacist Settler Colonial Post National State committing Genocide against the Indigenous & Palestinians"

that is your Canada now ; look it in the face

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Not everyone is "against us".  But China and Russia (among others) seek every day to harm us, and often have.  This is a fact verified thousands of times over.  You either put up with it or you don't.  Ignoring it won't solve any problems.

I don't see China in decline.  They did well at the Olympics, they're starting to make headway in IT products and services.  Maybe their population bomb will hurt them but they'll still have a billion+ people and a lot of momentum.

It's a little bit different. Russia was our military enemy for years and is now threatening our allies. All we want from them is oil and to stand down. 

The West has invested in bringing China into the fold over 50 plus years. But they haven't been nice about it, and now we are pulling back. 

Their population bomb will hurt them, as will an economy that no longer is available to grow. They are not going to have enough of a market for those cars they're making. 

And respectfully, the Olympics mean nothing. Jamaica is a per capita Olympic overachiever for example 

 

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Their population bomb will hurt them, as will an economy that no longer is available to grow. They are not going to have enough of a market for those cars they're making.

having fallen back into the grips of a Maoist cult of the personality totalitarian regime

in the face of a demographic and associated economic collapse

under siege with mortal enemies on all sides

plausibly under threat of internal revolts

the CCP is all the more likely to resort to desperate measures

to include inciting a foreign war in order to maintain domestic order

awake, Eagle with thunderbolts in talons grasped

no foreign giant shall drink a drop from the Mississippi