Killing of pre-born babies is murder and our governments support it

[blackbird]

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Satan is laughing at all the gullible women who kill their own baby.

“I was told a lie from the pit of hell: that my baby was just a blob of tissue. The aftermath of abortion can be equally deadly for both mother and unborn child. A woman who has an abortion is sentenced to bear that for the rest of her life.” —Actor Jennifer O'Neill"

The horrors of abortion described on this video.

Horrors Of Abortion! (jesus-is-savior.com)

Abortion Is Murder! (jesus-is-savior.com)

Did you know that aborted babies feel pain?  In the 20 to 30 week period, the ability to experience pain is heightened.

Watch this video:

 

Edited August 4, 2024 by blackbird

[Five of swords]

On 8/4/2024 at 12:14 AM, blackbird said:

"

Satan is laughing at all the gullible women who kill their own baby.

“I was told a lie from the pit of hell: that my baby was just a blob of tissue. The aftermath of abortion can be equally deadly for both mother and unborn child. A woman who has an abortion is sentenced to bear that for the rest of her life.” —Actor Jennifer O'Neill"

The horrors of abortion described on this video.

Horrors Of Abortion! (jesus-is-savior.com)

Abortion Is Murder! (jesus-is-savior.com)

Did you know that aborted babies feel pain?  In the 20 to 30 week period, the ability to experience pain is heightened.

Watch this video:

 

Did you know that people feel pain when they cannot afford health care?

[herbie]

No of course not. He'd rather accuse others of sin while he colludes with the Satan Himself to push for something not even mentioned in the Bible. At the same time as promoting oppression of women as something Christian.

Know what they say about glass houses? We're talking soap bubble house here.

[August1991]

On 8/4/2024 at 12:14 AM, blackbird said:

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Satan is laughing at all the gullible women who kill their own baby.

 

On 8/4/2024 at 12:14 AM, blackbird said:

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Satan is laughing at all the gullible women who kill their own baby.

 

 

On 8/4/2024 at 12:14 AM, blackbird said:

 

Blackbird. I disagree.

You think there is Good and Evil. When you pray, you think that you can talk to God.

(I think that you are simply talking to yourself.)

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

You think there is Good and Evil. When you pray, you think that you can talk to God.

Of course there is good and evil.  It is all around you if you open your eyes.

The clear evidence of God is also all around you, again if you open your eyes.  He created everything.

As for talking to God,  that was explained in my posting on knowing God.  You too can know God if you have read the Bible and receive faith.  I will repeat the posting here:

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God is absolutely knowable.  This article explains it.

"Within all of us there exists a strong desire to be known and to know others. The most important Person to know is our Creator. In fact, Jesus taught that eternal life is not just a span of time; it is a relationship: “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent” (John 17:3).

The key to truly knowing God is found in what God has revealed about Himself in the Bible. He wants to be known (see Acts 17:27). The problem is our sinfulness. We are all sinful (Romans 3), and we fall short of the standard of holiness required to commune with God. We have “changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things." Romans 1:23 KJV   So, in order to truly know God, we must first acknowledge our sin and repent of it (see Acts 3:19).

In turning from sin, we must turn to Jesus Christ, the only Savior from sin. In Jesus alone is salvation (Acts 4:12). We receive Jesus by faith: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12 KJV  Jesus’ death and resurrection provided for the forgiveness of our sin, and He alone is the way to a personal knowledge of God: “6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."  John 14:6 KJV

Jesus revealed to us who God is, so in knowing God we must look to Jesus: “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?  Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?” (John 14:9–10; cf. John 17:6). Every work that Jesus did was in obedience to the Father in heaven (John 5:19). Every word Jesus spoke was straight from the Father (John 12:49). To know God, we must know Jesus.

Another key ingredient in truly knowing God is reading the Bible, God’s Word. In the Bible we have God’s revelation of His character, His promises, and His will. It is through the Bible that we know that God is "a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth" Psalm 86:15 KJV   It is through the Bible that we know that God is a "God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:" Deuteronomy 10:17 KJV   It is through the Bible that we know that God is "17  Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. "  1 Timothy 1:17 KJV

Truly knowing God also comes through our commitment to obey what we read in the Scriptures. We were saved unto good works (Ephesians 2:10), and, as we obey the Lord, we become part of God’s plan of continuing to reveal Himself to the world. We are salt and light on this earth (Matthew 5:13–14), designed to bring God’s flavor to the world and to serve as a shining light in the midst of darkness. Jesus Himself placed the greatest importance on loving God with all we are and loving our neighbor as ourselves (Matthew 22:37–40).

These are the keys to truly knowing God. Of course, those who know God will also be committed to prayer, fellowship with other believers, sincere worship, and walking in the Spirit. Jesus taught His disciples about the Holy Spirit, contrasting the world’s ignorance of Him with the disciples’ knowledge: “Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." 
John 14:17  KJV. It is through the Spirit of God: “15  For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16  The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: " Romans 8:15, 16  KJV Through Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit, our lives can be filled with God, and we can experience the joy of truly knowing Him."

What is the key to truly knowing God? | GotQuestions.org

[User]

On 8/8/2024 at 9:24 AM, Five of swords said:

Did you know that people feel pain when they cannot afford health care?

Is someone saying it should be lawful to stab those people when they are walking down the street?

[Five of swords]

50 minutes ago, User said:

Is someone saying it should be lawful to stab those people when they are walking down the street?

Why would they need to be stabbed? What if they just fall off a ladder?

 

If your ultimate goal Herr is some sort of jeremy benthem 'do the most goodness possible for the world' then I would think you would have different priorities.

 

Especially because the truth is, assuming scarcity is still a thing, (which is why money exists at all), then I don't think humans could possibly afford to provide for a new baby whenever sex happens. Some compromise would have to be made.

 

Are you interested in solving a problem? Or just signaling that you are ethicalenough to care about babies? (As if that is some rare quality)

[User]

7 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Why would they need to be stabbed? What if they just fall off a ladder?

Who said they needed to be stabbed?

7 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

If your ultimate goal Herr is some sort of jeremy benthem 'do the most goodness possible for the world' then I would think you would have different priorities.

No, the point is that not doing the most goodness possible for the world doesn't then mean it should be OK to stab people walking down the street. 

8 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Especially because the truth is, assuming scarcity is still a thing, (which is why money exists at all), then I don't think humans could possibly afford to provide for a new baby whenever sex happens. Some compromise would have to be made.

If you really believe this, I might recommend a bridge to go jump off to your death. Have the courage of your convictions. 

9 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Are you interested in solving a problem? Or just signaling that you are ethicalenough to care about babies? (As if that is some rare quality)

I am interested in saying it is wrong to kill someone for the mere convenience of it. 

We are not at the point where we must kill babies because there are not enough resources to go around yet. 

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

You think there is Good and Evil.

You know there is good and evil.  Your conscience tells you that.  Man has known good and evil ever since Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden.  As a result of Adam and Even eating the forbidden fruit, they fell out of their good relationship with God and received a corrupt fallen nature which is passed on to everyone.  That is why you have a sinful fallen nature. 

You might deny there is such a thing as good and evil but that is because you have been deceived by your corrupt fallen nature and Satan.  But our consciences tell us much of what is good and what is evil.

"

19  Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. "  Romans 1:19-21  KJV

So man has a darkened, foolish heart by nature.  The only way out of that is to believe in and read the Bible, in English, the King James Bible (1611) and believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.  Without doing that one will remain an unredeemed and unsaved sinner.  

 

[Five of swords]

6 hours ago, User said:

Who said they needed to be stabbed?

No, the point is that not doing the most goodness possible for the world doesn't then mean it should be OK to stab people walking down the street. 

If you really believe this, I might recommend a bridge to go jump off to your death. Have the courage of your convictions. 

I am interested in saying it is wrong to kill someone for the mere convenience of it. 

We are not at the point where we must kill babies because there are not enough resources to go around yet. 

I believe scarcity exists ergo I must die? That's funny logic. But I can tell you are unable to handle reality, therefore.

[User]

13 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

I believe scarcity exists ergo I must die? That's funny logic. But I can tell you are unable to handle reality, therefore.

Yes. You are here proclaiming others must die. Have the courage of your convictions and hold that standard to yourself. 

[Five of swords]

5 minutes ago, User said:

Yes. You are here proclaiming others must die. Have the courage of your convictions and hold that standard to yourself. 

Ironic, because it is exactly the opposite. If you insist that everyone must live, then you need to die. People are starving so why would you eat? Give that food to the hungry.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Ironic, because it is exactly the opposite. If you insist that everyone must live, then you need to die. People are starving so why would you eat? Give that food to the hungry.

The planet has enough food to feed everyone right now. No one dies. 

It is your absurd position here that babies must die... 

[Five of swords]

21 minutes ago, User said:

The planet has enough food to feed everyone right now. No one dies. 

It is your absurd position here that babies must die... 

So you don't believe anyone on earth ever starves?

[User]

3 hours ago, Five of swords said:

So you don't believe anyone on earth ever starves?

I believe you do not understand logic. 

The fact that people starve doesn't say anything about a lack of food on planet Earth for them. 

If you get lost on a tropical island and starve to death, that is not because of a lack of food on planet Earth... If someone locks you up in a basement and never feeds you... that is not because of a lack of food on planet Earth. 

Why are you still here wasting all this time? Go and have the courage of your convictions. 

[Five of swords]

12 hours ago, User said:

I believe you do not understand logic. 

The fact that people starve doesn't say anything about a lack of food on planet Earth for them. 

If you get lost on a tropical island and starve to death, that is not because of a lack of food on planet Earth... If someone locks you up in a basement and never feeds you... that is not because of a lack of food on planet Earth. 

Why are you still here wasting all this time? Go and have the courage of your convictions. 

This is like saying there isn't a lack of food because there is free land to frow food on, if someone would only do it. Transportation and availability is also a resource, and it isn't free, either. The desert island is too poor to afford it. Same thing.

 

That's logic.

[User]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

This is like saying there isn't a lack of food because there is free land to frow food on, if someone would only do it. Transportation and availability is also a resource, and it isn't free, either. The desert island is too poor to afford it. Same thing.

 

That's logic.

So... what does killing babies in America or Canada have to do with people starving in Ethiopia, then?

There is no logic to your position. 

There is only you trying to justify killing hundreds of thousands of babies every year for the mere convenience of it. 

 

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, User said:

So... what does killing babies in America or Canada have to do with people starving in Ethiopia, then?

There is no logic to your position. 

There is only you trying to justify killing hundreds of thousands of babies every year for the mere convenience of it. 

 

I've repeated myself a million times, and you just constantly try to change the subject and go on deeply flawed illogical arguments that are not even relevant until you forget what my point was.

 

The point is, if there are not enough resources available to provide for every human being that is the product of every sexual encounter, then there aren't enough resources.

 

Got it? It's real simple. People die anyway because of lack of resources. Youcan cry about there not being resources, but I am not personally the reason there aren't enough resources, so there is no way I can help you.

 

Most people choose to not have a child because they cannot provide for that child. That is obviously a major reason for abortion.

 

So unless you can solve the problem of scarcity of resources (which would include the cost of transportation and distribution), people will die anyway. Do you have that solution? Communism, perhaps?

[User]

32 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

So unless you can solve the problem of scarcity of resources (which would include the cost of transportation and distribution), people will die anyway. Do you have that solution? Communism, perhaps?

I see, so you are cool if someone kills you because they believe this, then?

 

[Five of swords]

58 minutes ago, User said:

I see, so you are cool if someone kills you because they believe this, then?

 

Plenty of people would love to just kill me and take my stuff. I prefer to resist such a thing, because I love myself more than I love random strangers.

[User]

43 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Plenty of people would love to just kill me and take my stuff. I prefer to resist such a thing, because I love myself more than I love random strangers.

Doesn't matter what you think... you are just fine killing others, so if they kill you for the same motivation, no worries. 

[Five of swords]

17 minutes ago, User said:

Doesn't matter what you think... you are just fine killing others, so if they kill you for the same motivation, no worries. 

Simply accepting that resources are limited and conflict/competition over such resources is inevitable is not the same thing as being 'just fine with killing others'. There is no logical reason for you to conflate these things and without question the only reason you are trying to is because you lost the argument so you are desperately searching for some way to frame me as a 'bad person' which would absolve you of showing that my facts are not correct. What you don't realize in this strategy of yours is how obvious it is, and it only makes you look more absurd.

[User]

2 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Simply accepting that resources are limited and conflict/competition over such resources is inevitable is not the same thing as being 'just fine with killing others'. There is no logical reason for you to conflate these things and without question the only reason you are trying to is because you lost the argument so you are desperately searching for some way to frame me as a 'bad person' which would absolve you of showing that my facts are not correct. What you don't realize in this strategy of yours is how obvious it is, and it only makes you look more absurd.

Lost the argument?

The "argument" here is your absurd position that you are trying to justify killing babies because some kid in Ethiopia is starving to death when they have nothing to do with each other. 

That is absurd. 

[Five of swords]

19 minutes ago, User said:

Lost the argument?

The "argument" here is your absurd position that you are trying to justify killing babies because some kid in Ethiopia is starving to death when they have nothing to do with each other. 

That is absurd. 

They have plenty to do with each other. People in Ethiopia are starving because the country lacks the resources to feed them. If they aborted more babies it would help solve that issue

[User]

13 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

They have plenty to do with each other. People in Ethiopia are starving because the country lacks the resources to feed them. If they aborted more babies it would help solve that issue

You can't even be honest enough to respond to what I said. 

I did not say aborting more of their babies... I said babies in general. What does aborting a baby in America or Canada have to do with a starving kid in Ethiopia?