Canada should deport immigrants that illegally occupy, intimidate, and spout anti-Semitism

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Have you or do you read any books? Any history books or world affairs books?

This is just trivially foolish. Government is tilted towards the powerful. It just so happens that the powerful also are often rich. In fact they use their power to become rich.

 

This is actually so obvious that it should be a tautology. If government does not serve power then it could not really be called government, right?

 

You certainly are never going to change that.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Have you or do you read any books? Any history books or world affairs books?

Nonsense.  People who study, get educated, work hard, still have the best chancer for success and those that invest in the right things also have the best chance for success.

You think robbing those that own something or have wealth and giving it to you and the poor is the right thing to do?  Maybe you should read the Bible for a change.  I know you don't believe in stealing or how could you complain if someone stole your things or money?  You are just being your usual contrary self.  If you love Communism, what are you doing here?  We have some Marxists in the government but we are still largely a free enterprise country although the Socialist-minded politicians are wrecking that when they can.  I don't think you've read much.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

No, yours is inadequate. People are INFORMED about DEI. But if people had been taught critical thinking skills they'd refuse to support it. People were INFORMED about all Trudeau's lies and deficiencies in the last election. They still voted for him. I'm talking about education, wherein people are taught how economies function, instructed in critical thinking skills, like not just the immediate results of a policy initiative, but the follow-on effects, given historical lessons of how policies were put in place that did not work, and why. In other words, taught at least the basics on how a country needs to be run so they can be responsible citizens and voters. 

This does nothing that's in the least bit preventative. You have to wait until someone blows a whistle or the media stumbles onto something.

All you get then is partisan squabbling and fighting over the validity of the whistle blower, the media and of course the electorate.

Maybe voters should be required to pass an issues comprehension test to validate their fitness to vote.

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

You certainly are never going to change that.

He said as the rich and powerful pats his head and says 'good boy'.

[blackbird]

15 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

This is just trivially foolish. Government is tilted towards the powerful. It just so happens that the powerful also are often rich. In fact they use their power to become rich.

That is not actually how it is.   We live in a free enterprise country.  So anyone who wants can study and work and if they do well, they can make money.  The government does not particularly aid someone succeeding or getting rich.  Some invest it and some start successful businesses.  That is not the government doing it.  Others inherit wealth from their parents.  That is what a free society does.

With the interventionist, Socialist-minded government we have, government actually works against people getting wealthy because of all the regulations, red tape, and taxes.  We have a progressive tax system which means those who earn more, pay more taxes.  All this means is the government is not "tilted toward the powerful".  In Canada corporations and unions or businesses cannot donate to political parties.  Only individuals can donate to a party and only up to a maximum amount, which is not really that much, maybe a couple thousand dollars a year or less.

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

He said as the rich and powerful pats his head and says 'good boy'.

Why do you think there is a housing crisis and food cost crisis for many people?  Why are millions of people depending on food banks in Canada?  We have one of the richest natural resource countries in the world.   But we also have a liberal Socialist type of government that imposes a lot of taxes federally and provincially in B.C. with the Socialist NDP.

I am not sure you are serious about discussing anything.  You always reply with a smart alek answer which proves you are not a sincere poster.  Much like Exflyer and herbie.

[Five of swords]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

He said as the rich and powerful pats his head and says 'good boy'.

The rich and powerful hate me actually. But there is nothing I can do about that. They are always going to win. That might be hard to accept but I have accepted it.

[Five of swords]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That is not actually how it is.   We live in a free enterprise country.  So anyone who wants can study and work and if they do well, they can make money.  The government does not particularly aid someone succeeding or getting rich.  Some invest it and some start successful businesses.  That is not the government doing it.  Others inherit wealth from their parents.  That is what a free society does.

With the interventionist, Socialist-minded government we have, government actually works against people getting wealthy because of all the regulations, red tape, and taxes.  We have a progressive tax system which means those who earn more, pay more taxes.  All this means is the government is not "tilted toward the powerful".  In Canada corporations and unions or businesses cannot donate to political parties.  Only individuals can donate to a party and only up to a maximum amount, which is not really that much, maybe a couple thousand dollars a year or less.

Lol...delusional take. We do not live in some 'free enterprise society'. Take a look at thr history of united fruit, for example...you know the inspiration for the term 'banana republic'. The us government was certainly involved in that, and it made Leon black a lot of money.

[Five of swords]

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why do you think there is a housing crisis and food cost crisis for many people?  Why are millions of people depending on food banks in Canada?  We have one of the richest natural resource countries in the world.   But we also have a liberal Socialist type of government that imposes a lot of taxes federally and provincially in B.C. with the Socialist NDP.

I am not sure you are serious about discussing anything.  You always reply with a smart alek answer which proves you are not a sincere poster.  Much like Exflyer and herbie.

Lol...the reason you have food banks is because without it a lot of people would starve. It's quite simple. Is that socialism? Okay then...socialism is what keeps people from starving. You seem to have cause and effect reversed, lol.

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Lol...the reason you have food banks is because without it a lot of people would starve. It's quite simple. Is that socialism? Okay then...socialism is what keeps people from starving. You seem to have cause and effect reversed, lol.

No, the reason so many people are having trouble is because of the government meddling and intervention in the economy.  They caused the problems of the high cost of real estate, etc. by their policies at all levels of government.

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Lol...delusional take. We do not live in some 'free enterprise society'. Take a look at thr history of united fruit, for example...you know the inspiration for the term 'banana republic'. The us government was certainly involved in that, and it made Leon black a lot of money.

I never said the free enterprise system in the west was a perfect system.  But it has made western countries more prosperous than anywhere else in the world.  The world is full of corrupt people and some scam other people when they can.  The world is imperfect but freedom and free enterprise is the best system known to man.

[Five of swords]

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I never said the free enterprise system in the west was a perfect system.  But it has made western countries more prosperous than anywhere else in the world.  The world is full of corrupt people and some scam other people when they can.  The world is imperfect but freedom and free enterprise is the best system known to man.

Freedom is just a meaningless platitude and I marvel at how many people are stupid enough to fall for it.

And actually our 'system' IS perfect. It does exactly what it is intended to do. The people who ought to be powerful in the usa are, and the people who ought to be weak are. And it has been otherwise.

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, the reason so many people are having trouble is because of the government meddling and intervention in the economy.  They caused the problems of the high cost of real estate, etc. by their policies at all levels of government.

So ...working as intended. Bottom line still is if you get rid of food banks, people will starve  and the state doesn't give a rats fart about that, but they probably worry that it would accompany political violence.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Freedom is just a meaningless platitude and I marvel at how many people are stupid enough to fall for it.

You have fallen for Communist or Socialist ideology.  The U.S. and other western countries are the most free in the world.  If you don't think so, try living in China, Russia, Iran, or N. Korea and see what it is like.

You sound like you don't appreciate the freedom you have.

I never said food banks are bad.  Of course they are good for all the people that need them.  But government policies that cause more unemployment, housing price crises, and outrageous food prices are not good.  When government meddles in the economy to some bad ways, it causes more problems than it solves.  Open borders with massive illegal immigrants also causes house prices to shoot up and other problems.

[Five of swords]

41 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You have fallen for Communist or Socialist ideology.  The U.S. and other western countries are the most free in the world.  If you don't think so, try living in China, Russia, Iran, or N. Korea and see what it is like.

You sound like you don't appreciate the freedom you have.

I never said food banks are bad.  Of course they are good for all the people that need them.  But government policies that cause more unemployment, housing price crises, and outrageous food prices are not good.  When government meddles in the economy to some bad ways, it causes more problems than it solves.  Open borders with massive illegal immigrants also causes house prices to shoot up and other problems.

Just more empty platitudes and random assertions, lol. You have no idea where I have lived. And actually...more than immigration a huge factor behind housing costs is China buying so much of Canada's real estate. And China can afford to do that because, quite simply, it is a superior country.

 

Canada doesn't care about your housing costs because quite honestly canada doesn't care about you. And that is why they love immigration so much. They want to get rid of 'legacy' Canadians because they are simply inferior to the various Asian and African immigrants.

[herbie]

Canada doesn't care about housing costs because Canada doesn't build, buy or sell houses. And half the voters own one and aren't jumping up and down to see their value go down.
If you think the party since Day One that's represented the King and the Status Quo is going to change that, you are some special kind of stupid.
If you want the govt to build, buy and sell real estate then you are by definition a socialist.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Five of swords said:

And China can afford to do that because, quite simply, it is a superior country.

Perhaps you are posting from China as some kind of agent. 

If you are posting from north America, it is sad if you really believe that.

This is from the U.S. Department of State.

quote

2023 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices: China (Includes Hong Kong, Macau, and Tibet)

Read a Section: China

Hong Kong | Macau | Tibet

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

Genocide and crimes against humanity occurred during the year in China against predominantly Muslim Uyghurs and members of other ethnic and religious minority groups in Xinjiang.

Significant human rights issues included credible reports of: arbitrary or unlawful killings by the government; enforced disappearances by the government; torture by the government; involuntary or coercive medical or psychological practices; harsh and life-threatening prison and detention conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention by the government including, since 2017, of more than one million Uyghurs and members of other predominantly Muslim minority groups in extrajudicial internment camps, prisons, and an additional unknown number subjected to daytime-only “re-education” training; the lack of an independent judiciary and Communist Party control over the judicial and legal system; political prisoners; transnational repression against individuals in other countries; arbitrary interference with privacy including pervasive and intrusive technical surveillance and monitoring; punishment of family members for offenses allegedly committed by a relative; serious restrictions on freedom of expression and media freedom, including criminal prosecution of journalists, lawyers, writers, bloggers, dissidents, petitioners, and others; serious restrictions on internet freedom, including site blocking; substantial interference with the freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association, including overly restrictive laws that applied to foreign and domestic nongovernmental organizations; restrictions of religious freedom; restrictions on freedom of movement and residence; the inability of citizens to change their government peacefully through free and fair elections; serious and unreasonable restrictions on political participation; serious government corruption; serious government restrictions on and harassment of domestic and international human rights organizations; instances of coerced abortions and forced sterilization; crimes involving violence targeting members of national, racial, and ethnic minority groups, including Uyghurs; trafficking in persons, including forced labor; the prohibition of independent trade unions and systematic restrictions on workers’ freedom of association; and existence of some of the worst forms of child labor.

The government did not take credible steps to identify or punish officials who may have committed human rights abuses.

unquote

For the whole report go to:

China (Includes Hong Kong, Macau, and Tibet) - United States Department of State

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Five of swords said:

And China can afford to do that because, quite simply, it is a superior country.

Further information from the Human Rights Report from the U.S. Department of State.

quote

b. Disappearance

Enforced disappearances through multiple means continued at a nationwide, systemic scale.

The primary means by which authorities forcibly disappeared individuals for sustained periods of time was known as “Residential Surveillance at a Designated Location” (RSDL). RSDL codified in law the long-standing practice of detaining and removing from the public eye individuals the state deemed a risk to national security or intended to use as hostages. The primary disappearance mechanism for public functionaries was known as liuzhi. Numerous reports suggested individuals disappeared by RSDL and liuzhi were subject to numerous abuses including but not limited to physical and psychological abuse, humiliation, rape, torture, starvation, isolation, and forced confessions. According to an April 2022 report by human rights nongovernmental organization (NGO) Safeguard Defenders, between 55,977 and 113,407 persons were placed into RSDL (and later faced trial) from 2015 to 2021.

Many Uyghurs, ethnic Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and members of other Muslim and ethnic minority groups in Xinjiang detained in the government’s mass arbitrary detention campaign remain imprisoned. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and other NGOs alleged many of these detentions amounted to enforced disappearance, since families were often not provided information concerning the length or location of the detention.

According to ChinaAid, former lawyer Tang Jitian was released in January after nearly 400 days in detention. Authorities took Tang into custody in 2021 when he was due to attend a Human Rights Day gathering organized by the European Union in Beijing. A 2022 report by Rights Protection Network (RPN) stated Tang was held in a poorly ventilated room without windows, was beaten and subjected to rounds of sleep deprivation, was deprived of adequate medical care, and fell in a bathroom, suffering a concussion.

The government still had not provided a comprehensive, credible accounting of all those killed, missing, or detained in connection with the violent suppression of the 1989 Tiananmen Square demonstrations. Many activists involved in the 1989 demonstrations and their family members continued to suffer official harassment. The government made no efforts to prevent, investigate, or punish such harassment.

c. Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, and Other Related Abuses

The law prohibited the physical abuse and mistreatment of detainees and forbade prison guards from coercing confessions, insulting prisoners’ dignity, and beating or encouraging others to beat prisoners. The law excluded evidence obtained through illegal means, including coerced confessions, in certain categories of criminal cases. There were credible reports that authorities routinely ignored prohibitions against torture, especially in politically sensitive cases.

Former prisoners and detainees have reported they were beaten, raped, subjected to electric shock, forced to sit on stools for hours on end, hung by the wrists, deprived of sleep, force-fed, forced to take medication against their will, and otherwise subjected to physical and psychological abuse. Although prison authorities abused ordinary prisoners, they reportedly singled out political and religious dissidents for particularly harsh treatment.

In May 2022 Fuzhou-based human rights defender Liang Baiduan sued the municipal public security department for police brutality in March 2022 that resulted in broken ribs and injured tendons in his hands, according to media. Liang’s attorney appeared on his behalf at a January 29 hearing at a Fuzhou District Court.

The health of Zhang Zhan, sentenced to prison for four years in 2020 for her activities as a citizen journalist during the initial COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan, continued to deteriorate while imprisoned in Shanghai; her weight dropped to less than 90 pounds. When Zhang went on a hunger strike in 2021, prison officials force-fed her, tying and chaining her arms, torso, and feet.

Members of the minority Uyghur ethnic group reported systematic torture and other degrading treatment by law enforcement officers and officials working within the penal system and internment camps.

The treatment and abuse of detainees under the liuzhi detention system, which operated outside the judicial system as a legal tool for the government and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to investigate corruption and other offenses by officials, featured extended solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, beatings, and forced standing or sitting in uncomfortable positions for hours and sometimes days, according to press reports.

The law stated psychiatric treatment and hospitalization should be “on a voluntary basis,” but the law failed to provide meaningful legal protections for persons who could be involuntarily committed, such as access to a lawyer or other advocate or the right to communicate with those outside the psychiatric institution.

Official media reported the Ministry of Public Security directly administered 23 psychiatric hospitals for the criminally insane. While many of those committed to mental health facilities were convicted of murder and other violent crimes, there were also reports of activists, religious or spiritual adherents, and petitioners being involuntarily subjected to psychiatric treatment for political reasons. Public security officials could commit individuals to psychiatric facilities and force treatment for “conditions” that had no basis in psychiatry.

On February 28, media reported church leaders Lian Changnian, Lian Xuliang, and Fu Juan were under RSDL throughout 2022 and were finally transferred to a detention center in February. While in RSDL, interrogators beat them, deprived them of food, blew smoke in their eyes, and denied them the use of toilets.

Impunity was a significant problem in the security forces, including the Ministry of Public Security, the Ministry of State Security, and the Ministry of Justice, which managed the prison system.

Prison and Detention Center Conditions

Conditions in penal institutions for both political prisoners and criminal offenders were generally harsh and often life threatening or degrading.

Abusive Physical Conditions: Authorities regularly held prisoners and detainees in overcrowded conditions with poor sanitation. Food often was inadequate and of poor quality, and many detainees relied on supplemental food, medicines, and warm clothing provided by relatives when allowed to receive them. Prisoners often reported sleeping on the floor because there were no beds or bedding. In many cases ventilation, heating, lighting, and access to potable water were inadequate.

The lack of adequate, timely medical care for prisoners remained a serious problem.

Conditions in administrative detention facilities were like those in prisons. Detainees reported beatings, sexual assaults, lack of proper food, and limited or no access to medical care.

In April, the Independent Chinese PEN Center reported prison authorities mistreated Lv Gengsong, sentenced to 11 years’ imprisonment in 2016 by a Hangzhou court for “state subversion.” Because he refused to admit his guilt, prison authorities violated Lv’s reading and communication rights, injuring his mental and physical health. Observers believed Lv’s conviction was related to his ties to the banned China Democracy Party.

unquote

China (Includes Hong Kong, Macau, and Tibet) - United States Department of State

[Five of swords]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

Further information from the Human Rights Report from the U.S. Department of State.

quote

b. Disappearance

Enforced disappearances through multiple means continued at a nationwide, systemic scale.

The primary means by which authorities forcibly disappeared individuals for sustained periods of time was known as “Residential Surveillance at a Designated Location” (RSDL). RSDL codified in law the long-standing practice of detaining and removing from the public eye individuals the state deemed a risk to national security or intended to use as hostages. The primary disappearance mechanism for public functionaries was known as liuzhi. Numerous reports suggested individuals disappeared by RSDL and liuzhi were subject to numerous abuses including but not limited to physical and psychological abuse, humiliation, rape, torture, starvation, isolation, and forced confessions. According to an April 2022 report by human rights nongovernmental organization (NGO) Safeguard Defenders, between 55,977 and 113,407 persons were placed into RSDL (and later faced trial) from 2015 to 2021.

Many Uyghurs, ethnic Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and members of other Muslim and ethnic minority groups in Xinjiang detained in the government’s mass arbitrary detention campaign remain imprisoned. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and other NGOs alleged many of these detentions amounted to enforced disappearance, since families were often not provided information concerning the length or location of the detention.

According to ChinaAid, former lawyer Tang Jitian was released in January after nearly 400 days in detention. Authorities took Tang into custody in 2021 when he was due to attend a Human Rights Day gathering organized by the European Union in Beijing. A 2022 report by Rights Protection Network (RPN) stated Tang was held in a poorly ventilated room without windows, was beaten and subjected to rounds of sleep deprivation, was deprived of adequate medical care, and fell in a bathroom, suffering a concussion.

The government still had not provided a comprehensive, credible accounting of all those killed, missing, or detained in connection with the violent suppression of the 1989 Tiananmen Square demonstrations. Many activists involved in the 1989 demonstrations and their family members continued to suffer official harassment. The government made no efforts to prevent, investigate, or punish such harassment.

c. Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, and Other Related Abuses

The law prohibited the physical abuse and mistreatment of detainees and forbade prison guards from coercing confessions, insulting prisoners’ dignity, and beating or encouraging others to beat prisoners. The law excluded evidence obtained through illegal means, including coerced confessions, in certain categories of criminal cases. There were credible reports that authorities routinely ignored prohibitions against torture, especially in politically sensitive cases.

Former prisoners and detainees have reported they were beaten, raped, subjected to electric shock, forced to sit on stools for hours on end, hung by the wrists, deprived of sleep, force-fed, forced to take medication against their will, and otherwise subjected to physical and psychological abuse. Although prison authorities abused ordinary prisoners, they reportedly singled out political and religious dissidents for particularly harsh treatment.

In May 2022 Fuzhou-based human rights defender Liang Baiduan sued the municipal public security department for police brutality in March 2022 that resulted in broken ribs and injured tendons in his hands, according to media. Liang’s attorney appeared on his behalf at a January 29 hearing at a Fuzhou District Court.

The health of Zhang Zhan, sentenced to prison for four years in 2020 for her activities as a citizen journalist during the initial COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan, continued to deteriorate while imprisoned in Shanghai; her weight dropped to less than 90 pounds. When Zhang went on a hunger strike in 2021, prison officials force-fed her, tying and chaining her arms, torso, and feet.

Members of the minority Uyghur ethnic group reported systematic torture and other degrading treatment by law enforcement officers and officials working within the penal system and internment camps.

The treatment and abuse of detainees under the liuzhi detention system, which operated outside the judicial system as a legal tool for the government and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to investigate corruption and other offenses by officials, featured extended solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, beatings, and forced standing or sitting in uncomfortable positions for hours and sometimes days, according to press reports.

The law stated psychiatric treatment and hospitalization should be “on a voluntary basis,” but the law failed to provide meaningful legal protections for persons who could be involuntarily committed, such as access to a lawyer or other advocate or the right to communicate with those outside the psychiatric institution.

Official media reported the Ministry of Public Security directly administered 23 psychiatric hospitals for the criminally insane. While many of those committed to mental health facilities were convicted of murder and other violent crimes, there were also reports of activists, religious or spiritual adherents, and petitioners being involuntarily subjected to psychiatric treatment for political reasons. Public security officials could commit individuals to psychiatric facilities and force treatment for “conditions” that had no basis in psychiatry.

On February 28, media reported church leaders Lian Changnian, Lian Xuliang, and Fu Juan were under RSDL throughout 2022 and were finally transferred to a detention center in February. While in RSDL, interrogators beat them, deprived them of food, blew smoke in their eyes, and denied them the use of toilets.

Impunity was a significant problem in the security forces, including the Ministry of Public Security, the Ministry of State Security, and the Ministry of Justice, which managed the prison system.

Prison and Detention Center Conditions

Conditions in penal institutions for both political prisoners and criminal offenders were generally harsh and often life threatening or degrading.

Abusive Physical Conditions: Authorities regularly held prisoners and detainees in overcrowded conditions with poor sanitation. Food often was inadequate and of poor quality, and many detainees relied on supplemental food, medicines, and warm clothing provided by relatives when allowed to receive them. Prisoners often reported sleeping on the floor because there were no beds or bedding. In many cases ventilation, heating, lighting, and access to potable water were inadequate.

The lack of adequate, timely medical care for prisoners remained a serious problem.

Conditions in administrative detention facilities were like those in prisons. Detainees reported beatings, sexual assaults, lack of proper food, and limited or no access to medical care.

In April, the Independent Chinese PEN Center reported prison authorities mistreated Lv Gengsong, sentenced to 11 years’ imprisonment in 2016 by a Hangzhou court for “state subversion.” Because he refused to admit his guilt, prison authorities violated Lv’s reading and communication rights, injuring his mental and physical health. Observers believed Lv’s conviction was related to his ties to the banned China Democracy Party.

unquote

China (Includes Hong Kong, Macau, and Tibet) - United States Department of State

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/09/cia-torture-black-site-enhanced-interrogation