Iraq: Looking better than us

[geoffrey]

5.49 deaths per 1000 in Iraq

7.73 deaths per 1000 in Canada

8.25 deaths per 1000 in U.S.

Iraqi's are dying less quickly than Americans and Canadians. Interesting considering apparently we are killing them all and preventing them from basic neccessities. They are doing a better job of staying alive than we are.

Explainations on why your less likely to die in Iraq?

[Black Dog]

Source please.

[geoffrey]

Source please.

Sorry, I thought I had included it.

All the rates are taking from the CIA factbook at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html which is pretty credible. You can check elsewhere if you wish, I can assure that you'll probably get the same figures.

I'm not saying that this means something in particular, I just wanted insight into why we die more than them.

[Black Dog]

Yeah, Iraq has a lower death rate. But then so does the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Off the top of my head, I'd say it's a result of the population's age. North Americans, on average, are older(the average life expectancy in Iraq is 66.5; Canada's is 79.4).

[GostHacked]

Less Likely to die in Iraq from natural causes. Gunfire is up on the list with IDEs.

Are these accidental or natural deaths?

[geoffrey]

Less Likely to die in Iraq from natural causes. Gunfire is up on the list with IDEs.

Are these accidental or natural deaths?

Total deaths in general.

If we are living longer, shouldn't that be reflected in a lower death rate. If everyone is dying younger, and therefore faster, then Iraq's should be higher. Life expectancy works against us in this argument.

[Black Dog]

If we are living longer, shouldn't that be reflected in a lower death rate. If everyone is dying younger, and therefore faster, then Iraq's should be higher. Life expectancy works against us in this argument.

See, if there's more old people, the likelihood of dying of natural causes is higher. 40 per cent of Iraq's population is under 14 years old compared to around 18 per cent here. I dunno: I'm guessing. I'm not sure what, if any conclusions we can draw from the death rate: there doesn't seem to be a connection between stability and death rates (Sudan has a lower death rate than the U.K., Swedne and Denmark!)

[August1991]

Off the top of my head, I'd say it's a result of the population's age. North Americans, on average, are older(the average life expectancy in Iraq is 66.5; Canada's is 79.4).

Exactly. I would guess that half the Iraqi population is under 20.

BTW, imagine a country where about 1 of 8 people is a male between 13 and 21.

[BubberMiley]

I wonder what the margin of error is when you're polling in total chaos.

[geoffrey]

I wonder what the margin of error is when you're polling in total chaos.

I don't think death rate is a poll conducted by a research company.

But its a trend in many third world countries, that death rates are considerably lower.

I understand your arguments that they have a younger population so they should die less often. But they must all be dying young to such a low life expectancy! It's very confusing how that number could come out of that.

[BubberMiley]

I don't think death rate is a poll conducted by a research company.

So the unmarked graves aren't getting counted. Neither are the areas of total chaos like Fallujah. If it isn't a speculative poll, it's just the heads they've physically counted and those numbers, therefore, are crap.

[Leafless]

geoffrey

The infancy death rate is a lot higher in Iraq then modern countries.

I think you would have to pick apart the death rate to see what people actually die from before you can actually lay claim that Western societies are inferior when it comes down to boasting about a lower death rate in these sub-standard countries.

[geoffrey]

geoffrey

The infancy death rate is a lot higher in Iraq then modern countries.

I think you would have to pick apart the death rate to see what people actually die from before you can actually lay claim that Western societies are inferior when it comes down to boasting about a lower death rate in these sub-standard countries.

Leafless,

I'm not saying Iraq is superior to us. I want to know why they die less quickly, its somewhat counter-intuitive. I'd want to know whats killing us faster than them. See my first post as a question and not a statement.

Yes the infancy rate is higher, probably due to lacking hospitals or resources for births. But then why does ours go higher afterwards?

Interesting.

[BubberMiley]

Yes the infancy rate is higher, probably due to lacking hospitals or resources for births. But then why does ours go higher afterwards?

Interesting.

They go higher because the numbers you use are from the CIA and you're gullible enough to believe them.

[geoffrey]

Yes the infancy rate is higher, probably due to lacking hospitals or resources for births. But then why does ours go higher afterwards?

Interesting.

They go higher because the numbers you use are from the CIA and you're gullible enough to believe them.

The factbook is pretty accurate for basic stats. I'm sure you'll be hard pressed to find statistics way off base with them.

Even if the spooks are telling ya!

[Montgomery Burns]

I don't think death rate is a poll conducted by a research company.

So the unmarked graves aren't getting counted. Neither are the areas of total chaos like Fallujah. If it isn't a speculative poll, it's just the heads they've physically counted and those numbers, therefore, are crap.

Actually, they have found about 300 mass graves. Take a look at the pics, if you like. 300 mass graves in the 24 years Saddam was in power.

So why did the left throw their support behind Saddam to keep him in power?

Oh right. Because Bush didn't like him and the left always takes the side of Bush's enemies.

If Bush found a cure for cancer, the left would be complaining about the high unemployment rate amongst laboratory mice.

[BubberMiley]

No, actually the left was on Bush's side after 9/11. He just demonstrated total incompentence and a commitment to war crime since then, not to mention a determination to run the largest deficits in history to feed his fat-cat friends. Perhaps it's you who are blind to reality and will support him no matter what he does.

[newbie]

All the rates are taking from the CIA factbook at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html which is pretty credible.

Is this the same CIA that had the faulty intel prior to Iraq invasion?