If Trump Wins He Will Abandon NATO

[Guest]

15 hours ago, robosmith said:

It went up under Trump and then back down. And then spiked much greater under Biden.

I wonder why that spike occurred in 2023. Maybe because they felt sorry for Biden?

Or maybe because they know Trump being president again is a formality.

No, it's got to be pity on Biden.

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I wonder why that spike occurred in 2023. Maybe because they felt sorry for Biden?

Or maybe because they know Trump being president again is a formality.

No, it's got to be pity on Biden.

Are you joking? OF course it went up for the SAME REASON membership increased BY TWO.

Putin's INVASION made the value of NATO membership skyrocket, cause they want to be under Joe's umbrella.

Esp since they can't count on Trump. 🤮

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Are you joking?

Nope.

Putins war put the fear in people, but am quite confident another Trump term meant there was an even greater pressure on people to conform to spending thresholds as people wouldn't get away with it under Trump.

Very easy to, when you won't get humiliated or called out for it.

39 minutes ago, robosmith said:

NATO membership skyrocket

Trump made paying your dues as a member, be of greater importance.

I like how people dismiss Trump because he's a total d*** and a jack** at times.

I base it on performance on paper.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Nope.

Putins war put the fear in people, but am quite confident another Trump term meant there was an even greater pressure on people to conform to spending thresholds as people wouldn't get away with it under Trump.

Very easy to, when you won't get humiliated or called out for it.

Trump made paying your dues as a member, be of greater importance.

I like how people dismiss Trump because he's a total d*** and a jack** at times.

I base it on performance on paper.

Every country "pays their dues" for NATO administration. The issue was domestic DEFENSE SPENDING.

It is hilarious how you pretend that NATO countries increased their defense spending due to fear of Trump instead of fear of Putin. They knew they could not rely on Trump AT ALL. If ANYTHING they feared he would be ELECTED.

[User]

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Every country "pays their dues" for NATO administration. The issue was domestic DEFENSE SPENDING.

It is hilarious how you pretend that NATO countries increased their defense spending due to fear of Trump instead of fear of Putin. They knew they could not rely on Trump AT ALL. If ANYTHING they feared he would be ELECTED.

Trump did both. 

He got Europeans to pay more dues as a percentage of the NATO operating budget AND he got them to increase spending on their defense as a % of their GDP. 

This was long before Putin fully invaded Ukraine under Biden's watch. 

[Moonbox]

10 hours ago, User said:

That particular link was more about funding the costs of NATO, not total contributions to defense $$$, and yes, they did end up taking up a larger share of those costs. 

I also added this link:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-16/nato-members-ramp-up-defense-spending-after-pressure-from-trump?embedded-checkout=true

Link's a paywall, but point taken. I looked it up and I think it was 10 countries by the end of 2020:

In 2014, when allies agreed that all members should meet NATO’s 2% spending level by 2024, only the U.S., Greece and the United Kingdom were in compliance. Now, NATO data shows Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, France and Norway meeting the target.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/ten-nato-members-now-meet-2-defense-spending-benchmark-but-not-germany-1.649349

Even so, many of these countries had already embarked on massive military expansion long before Trump even came to office (particularly Poland and the Baltic States), and likely as a result of Russia's annexing Crimea. 

10 hours ago, User said:

Welcome to team Trump. 

Some of the stuff he says I'm fully on-board with.  It's just...there's so much other...shit.  

[Hodad]

16 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

The agreement had conditions of which the Taliban immediately violated.

Yes, they did. What was Trump's response? 

Of, that's right, to still withdraw nearly all the troops and let the Taliban have Afghanistan. 

[Nationalist]

23 hours ago, User said:

You are ignoring everything else?

You set the bar low, as you repeatedly said he did nothing. Then you said the only source I had was Trump lying... I give you that source that proves otherwise and you ignore it and mock one small part of it. 

He shipped Ukraine anti-tank missiles. He threatened Putin. 

Putin did not invade on his watch. 

 

Biden could have stopped any of it if he didn't like it. No one forced Biden to withdrawal as he did. Part of that agreement was Afghan peace talks. 

Biden owns that mess. 
 

Sigh, you are such a dishonest person.

"ALEXANDER VINDMAN, a National Security Council specialist on Ukraine in the Trump administration who testified against the former president, told NatSec Daily that conversations... "

Dude... @myata lives in a world of singular purpose. Hatred of Orangemanbad. It's unfortunate that we must endure his non-existent logic. Every bone in his frail little carcass screams at him. His entire intellect is fckin' burning. He has TDS on a scale that is quite concerning...from a psychological point of view.

Jordan Peterson could gave a field day with this sort of psychosis.