Mark Carney rumour . . .

[ExFlyer]

29 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I'm not sure why you automatically went to that as the only option.  

Again, this is a strange and binary line of reasoning, supposing that the only option the government has is to be come the nations largest rental agency, and that getting involved is going to somehow make private sector investment automatically unprofitable.  There's not much to work with here for forming a response.  😐

Where and when did I say it was the only option??

Why binary?? (you seem to like that word LOL).

Do you have alternative that does not involve the government (you and me taxpayer) not funding major home construction? Seems that private industry is hamstrung with red tape and rising cost that they are  not making enough profit to keep building.

How do you come to the conclusion "It was a failure of projecting and planning properly, " that we are in a housing crisis? There was always projections for housing needs. The problem was and is, who is going to build them?

Your issue seems to be "all the money that people have been making on housing over the last 14 years.  " but in fact real estate has been the way to make money for hundreds of years. Nothing new at all.

I lived through 17% mortgage years... houses were still being built and people were still buying. As it is now. Builders will only build if there is money to be made. If government makes announcement to generate construction of housing, it will have to fund or build itself. Either way, you and I will be paying for it.

[Moonbox]

19 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Where and when did I say it was the only option??

It was the only option you presented.  

19 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Why binary?? (you seem to like that word LOL).

Because apparently, if the government invests in housing, all of the sudden we're talking about  it becoming Canada's largest landlord, and private investment becoming unprofitable?  Why?  

19 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Do you have alternative that does not involve the government (you and me taxpayer) not funding major home construction? Seems that private industry is hamstrung with red tape and rising cost that they are  not making enough profit to keep building.

Pretty sure we've had this discussion before, and I've already referred you to pieces like this:

https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/the-great-rebuild-seven-ways-to-fix-canadas-housing-shortage/

19 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

How do you come to the conclusion "It was a failure of projecting and planning properly, " that we are in a housing crisis? There was always projections for housing needs. The problem was and is, who is going to build them?

The capacity to build is the present-day problem.  Bad projections, combined with poor planning and no contingencies, is what led us here.  Canada built 273,000 units in 1976.  Are we supposed to believe that with almost double the population, today, we couldn't have matched that?  

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It was the only option you presented.  

Because apparently, if the government invests in housing, all of the sudden we're talking about  it becoming Canada's largest landlord, and private investment becoming unprofitable?  Why?  

Pretty sure we've had this discussion before, and I've already referred you to pieces like this:

https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/the-great-rebuild-seven-ways-to-fix-canadas-housing-shortage/

The capacity to build is the present-day problem.  Bad projections, combined with poor planning and no contingencies, is what led us here.  Canada built 273,000 units in 1976.  Are we supposed to believe that with almost double the population, today, we couldn't have matched that?  

I think you are just a bitter person and need to blame government tor everything you don't like.

Bottom line is no one can predict the future and as far as not enough homes, as well, no one is guaranteed or entitled to a house. Right now, it is a buyers. market, meaning there are more homes for sale out there than buyers.

There will be homes built, either by the government, hence my statement about becoming a landlord or by private industry if there is profit in it.

Anything else is wishful thinking.

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by ExFlyer

[Moonbox]

14 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I think you are just a bitter person and need to blame government tor everything you don't like.

This is such a useless post, when I read it I assumed it was Fox.  🙄

I guess he's rubbed off on you.  

Edited July 17, 2024 by Moonbox

[ExFlyer]

41 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This is such a useless post, when I read it I assumed it was Fox.  🙄

I guess he's rubbed off on you.  

Nope ,it is my opinion after reading your posts.

Nothing but complaints about the government.

[Nefarious Banana]

43 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nothing but complaints about the government.

The federal Liberals have done poorly . . . there's lots to complain about.  We live in 'the land of plenty' yet our standard of living is going down.  You, herbie, eyeball, and others will disagree . . . and that's just my opinion.

[ExFlyer]

23 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

The federal Liberals have done poorly . . . there's lots to complain about.  We live in 'the land of plenty' yet our standard of living is going down.  You, herbie, eyeball, and others will disagree . . . and that's just my opinion.

Yup they have but, if you have nothing but complaints, you have nothing of value either. The government is not your bank, banker or friend.

Your "standard of living" is what you make of it.

Like I said earlier, there is no constitutional right for anyone to own a home. You get what you earn and pay for. If you cannot afford something, wel,l then perhaps it is your fault. If you cannot afford a down payment but do go on vacations, drive new cars, eat out a lot ect, perhaps you priorities are off?

Thai is just my opinion.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

This is such a useless post, when I read it I assumed it was Fox.  🙄

I guess he's rubbed off on you.  

LOL - you just can't keep me out of your head can you  

Hey- don't blame me if someone else is pointing out you're stupid, it's not like it's uncommon or anything. 

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

The federal Liberals have done poorly . . . there's lots to complain about.  We live in 'the land of plenty' yet our standard of living is going down.  You, herbie, eyeball, and others will disagree . . . and that's just my opinion.

The only good thing I've had to say about the Liberals in nearly 40 years is that they weren't Republicans during COVID.

What land of plenty btw? The mine here closed decades ago and we can't catch fish or cut trees anywhere near as much as we used to.  Liberals never did much to manage these industries very sustainably or perhaps we'd still have them.

Thankfully these days we have lots of tourists, for the moment at least. Maybe they still have a Cornucopia of Plenty to draw from where they live that allows them to be tourists. Either that or their priorities are off and they think everything's groovy and want to keep partying like it's 1999.

Ironically enough my standard of living is doing much better now but I certainly don't think Liberals built that - if anything the fu ckers would probably like to shut down the BNB I built.

 

[Moonbox]

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope ,it is my opinion after reading your posts.

Except your "opinion" was immediate ad-hominem as soon as someone disagreed with you, with no attempt to debate the points presented...so just like Fox.

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nothing but complaints about the government.

Right...I'm the one who does nothing but complain about the government, while you complain about the government in this thread and present goofy, hyperbolic scenarios about potential interventions or changes to policy.  That makes so much sense.  

Something about this topic makes you really, really touchy.  I won't presume to know why, like you do.  🙄

 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Except your "opinion" was immediate ad-hominem as soon as someone disagreed with you, with no attempt to debate the points presented...so just like Fox.

Right...I'm the one who does nothing but complain about the government, while you complain about the government in this thread and present goofy, hyperbolic scenarios about potential interventions or changes to policy.  That makes so much sense.  

Something about this topic makes you really, really touchy.  I won't presume to know why, like you do.  🙄

 

 

Au contraire. I have said many time the federal or any level;  government should not get in to the business of building homes and becoming a landlord.

And yes, you do little but complain about government, very little suggestion or solution. I have been around long enough to know that all governments that have been in power for many elections do stupid things. I also know that any government in its final year before election makes 1diotic statement to appease people.

Nope, not touchy, just realistic and looking forward to the consequences of the proposals.

[Moonbox]

13 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Au contraire. I have said many time the federal or any level;  government should not get in to the business of building homes and becoming a landlord.

Nobody here said they should, did they?  This seems like a red herring (a Fox specialty).  

There's a long  list of alternatives between doing nothing, and what you're talking about.  I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up.  

14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

And yes, you do little but complain about government, very little suggestion or solution.

and yet even on this topic, solutions and suggestions have been provided/cited (in this thread, and in others), but rather than discuss those, you've defaulted to ad hominem and hyperbole (also like Fox, LOL).

49 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, not touchy, just realistic and looking forward to the consequences of the proposals.

Excuse me for not being convinced, considering how quickly you went for the insults.  🤷‍♂️

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

Nobody here said they should, did they?  This seems like a red herring (a Fox specialty).  

ROFLAMO!!!!!!

Funny how every time you lose an argument its' somehow my fault.  

And you actually did suggest that. The red herring is yours.

groot said gov't investment is waste of money and you disagreed with him claiming it was an odd thing to say given people make money at it.  As if gov't investment in housing is the same as private investment. 

Then when @ExFlyer pointed out that we don't want the gov't to be the largest landlord  (which would be the inevitable result of trying to solve the housing issue with gov't 'investment)   YOU freaked out and claimed it was a binary choice. But of course that was your usual 'attack when cornered' move, he was right and rather than acknowledge it you pretended that if the gov't solves the housing crisis with investment in housing that WOULDN"T mean they'd be one of the largest. 

Which was stupid. Of course they would. 

So either the public sector market will solve it and be the landlords and build the houses or the gov't will.   And you're deseperately trying to dance back and forth between the two and he's making you look like  an !diot.  Did you think this was going well for you?

And despite the fact i wasn't even part of the conversation since you two started going at it you've brought me up twice to explain how YOUR stupidity is somehow MY fault   

 

Since you insist that i be a part of this - in this case he and groot are  right and you're wrong. The gov't investment  is a waste, the gov't cannot 'invest' in enough homes to even put a dent in the problem never mind solve it and we would not want them to if they could as it would make the people who couldn't run an airport or get homes and clean water to the first nations the largest landlord in the country by an order of magnitude. 

Yeash. 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Nobody here said they should, did they?  This seems like a red herring (a Fox specialty).  

.....

Excuse me for not being convinced, considering how quickly you went for the insults.  🤷‍♂️

You are the last person I need to convince of anything

I never insulted. I believe it was you that said "so just like Fox. " amongst other thins. Even ConFox called you out LOL He pegged you right

Edited July 17, 2024 by ExFlyer

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I never insulted.

Riiight.  Just like Fox, you're foiled by the quotation function.  

On 7/16/2024 at 7:41 PM, ExFlyer said:

I think you are just a bitter person and need to blame government tor everything you don't like.

You're doing terrific here.  

🙄

Edited July 18, 2024 by Moonbox

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Riiight.  Just like Fox, you're foiled by the quotation function.  

You're doing terrific here.  

🙄

uhh that was after you insulted him. 

You lied about him presenting a binary solution. You then claimed you'd 'referred him to pieces'. 

 As usual you start something and then try to pretend someone else did. 

Lets rehash. 

Carney is a tax and spend liberal who doesn't complain about how much the gov't spent but rather what they spent it on.

The "investment" in home building by the gov't is no solution  and if it was it would mean the gov't was the biggest landlord in the country.

Once again you've picked a fight you're losing and somehow it's my fault 🙄

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Riiight.  Just like Fox, you're foiled by the quotation function.  

You're doing terrific here.  

🙄

There you go again.

You are stumbling over your insults while accusing others of insulting LOL

I think you should stop while you have a semblance of dignity

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

There you go again.

You are stumbling over your insults while accusing others of insulting LOL

I was honestly trying to debate and disagree with you civilly.  That set you off for some reason, and you came back swinging with insults.  Considering how often you've criticized Fox for this sort of behavior, it's interesting how you give yourself a free pass when you're doing the same.  

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

I think you should stop while you have a semblance of dignity

When you can show me what I said to provoke insults out of you, maybe then we can talk about dignity.  Until then, you're the one holding hands with Fox in this thread, and you own the fact that you couldn't handle someone disagreeing with you without getting personal.  🙃

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

I was honestly trying to debate and disagree with you civilly. 

What a load of crap .  You deliberately mis stated his argument, and when you started to lose anyway you somehow blamed me for it. that's your version of "honest debate'?

you're a dishonest person and always have been and rely on cheap tricks the moment you start to lose a discussion. 

Just another example. Pathetic 

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I was honestly trying to debate and disagree with you civilly.  That set you off for some reason, and you came back swinging with insults.  Considering how often you've criticized Fox for this sort of behavior, it's interesting how you give yourself a free pass when you're doing the same.  

When you can show me what I said to provoke insults out of you, maybe then we can talk about dignity.  Until then, you're the one holding hands with Fox in this thread, and you own the fact that you couldn't handle someone disagreeing with you without getting personal.  🙃

Nope. I gave my opinion and you did not like it and started to compare me with the most objectionable person on this forum.

My debates/insults/comments to CanFox are the result of actions and reactions between him and I. We resolve or keep on keeping on. It has absolutely nothing to do with you. You invoked him. He has pretty well said that.

You lost me and my respect.

[Moonbox]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

Nope. I gave my opinion and you did not like it and started to compare me with the most objectionable person on this forum.

This was "just an opinion":   🙄

On 7/16/2024 at 7:41 PM, ExFlyer said:

I think you are just a bitter person and need to blame government tor everything you don't like.

???

Calling it "your opinion" doesn't magically make it less of an insult.  It also came out of nowhere.  

Insulting people when they disagree with you rather than addressing their argument is textbook Fox.  It's also exactly what you did here. If you don't want to be compared to "the most objectional person on this forum", then don't behave like him.  

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

You lost me and my respect.

What do you fancy your respect was ever worth, if I can't even disagree with you without you going straight for the throat with insults?  Boo-hoo for me....I guess?  What a tragedy.  🥱

[ExFlyer]

25 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This was "just an opinion":   🙄

???

Calling it "your opinion" doesn't magically make it less of an insult.  It also came out of nowhere.  

Insulting people when they disagree with you rather than addressing their argument is textbook Fox.  It's also exactly what you did here. If you don't want to be compared to "the most objectional person on this forum", then don't behave like him.  

What do you fancy your respect was ever worth, if I can't even disagree with you without you going straight for the throat with insults?  Boo-hoo for me....I guess?  What a tragedy.  🥱

Look, you have nothing to gain with you rcarrying on and on and on.

Don't become a loser

See ya

Edited July 18, 2024 by ExFlyer