Cities and Towns can criminalize homelessness

[impartialobserver]

https://www.hcn.org/articles/supreme-court-gives-cities-and-towns-power-to-criminalize-homelessness/

This is going to have a large impact on the major cities out west. 

[Michael Hardner]

42 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

https://www.hcn.org/articles/supreme-court-gives-cities-and-towns-power-to-criminalize-homelessness/

This is going to have a large impact on the major cities out west. 

This will have a great impact on poverty because now voters can elect governments to mandate poor people to not exist.  

I remember near Daytona there were public lands outside the city with homeless encampments.  The people liked it as long as the poor folks didn't try to come into town.  Next step will be for a federal party to start interring the people who squat on public lands.

It's social policy out of the middle ages...

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's social policy out of the middle ages...

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[User]

Cities were already able to criminalize homelessness; the SCOTUS struck down an absurd local court ruling that these particular ordinances violated the 8th Amendment protections against cruel and unusual punishment.

This does nothing more than was already happening before. 

 

 

 

[User]

9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This will have a great impact on poverty because now voters can elect governments to mandate poor people to not exist.  

Huh?

This sentence makes no sense. Voters could always elect governments that passed laws restricting and punishing people from "camping" like this. How you think this has anything to do with being able to mandate poor people do not exist is beyond me. 
 

9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Next step will be for a federal party to start interring the people who squat on public lands.

If this was a plausible next step... nothing was preventing this before now. 

 

[impartialobserver]

Homelessness is a major problem in the cities out West. First, it is not a crime to be homeless so rounding them up and putting them in jail is illegal. Second, it is a matter of manpower and resources. They tried this in Reno.. strict enforcement of the laws and what happened? Oh.. the officers and public complaining that they were spending an inordinate amount of time and money on policing homelessness. To camp on public land is not a crime.. as long as you do so for less than the stipulated time. In most cases, it is 30 consecutive days. 

[herbie]

On 7/2/2024 at 1:40 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I remember near Daytona there were public lands outside the city with homeless encampments.  The people liked it as long as the poor folks didn't try to come into town.  Next step will be for a federal party to start interring the people who squat on public lands.

Hell just strip ever homeless person of citizenship and deport them? Yee-haww!! Finish The Wall and put in turnstiles that only let you leave!

[User]

21 hours ago, herbie said:

Hell just strip ever homeless person of citizenship and deport them? Yee-haww!! Finish The Wall and put in turnstiles that only let you leave!

Do you have some kind of word mixer you run your posts through or is this really the stuff you actually think of and type out all on your own?

 

[herbie]

No, that's just me trying to think like you. Doesn't make my brain hurt, just kind of numb whenever i try to do that.

[Matthew]

Blaming people for being poor and criminalized their poverty has been around for hundreds of years. It was a major theme of the fledgling capitalist middle class culture of the 1700s-1800s. So yeah the nuances of what this case does is not groundbreaking.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Blaming people for being poor and criminalized their poverty has been around for hundreds of years. It was a major theme of the fledgling capitalist middle class culture of the 1700s-1800s. So yeah the nuances of what this case does is not groundbreaking.

No one is blaming the poor or criminalizing their poverty by enacting laws regarding how long people can "camp" on public property or otherwise sleep/live on public property. 

[Matthew]

8 hours ago, User said:

No one is blaming the poor or criminalizing their poverty by enacting laws regarding how long people can "camp" on public property or otherwise sleep/live on public property. 

Alright, suppose you became homeless right now and had no money and no credit. Where would you legally sleep tonight?

[User]

53 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Alright, suppose you became homeless right now and had no money and no credit. Where would you legally sleep tonight?

What does your question have to do with "criminalizing poverty" or "blaming" them for being poor?

 

[Guest]

On 7/5/2024 at 3:16 PM, herbie said:

Hell just strip ever homeless person of citizenship and deport them?

Or look into better and more immediate solutions to the sharp and unnacceptable rise in homelessness, crime and homeless encampments seen in many cities.

Arresting someone for camping seems draconian, but having homeless people commit crimes to support their addictions leaving civilians to fend for themselves doesn't seem like much of an upgrade  either.

[herbie]

You mean use common sense and address the causes of the problem? That's too leftist!

Punish, punish, shame, belittle and lock them up! Pretend the victims are the problem. So much easier

 

[User]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

You mean use common sense and address the causes of the problem? That's too leftist!

Punish, punish, shame, belittle and lock them up! Pretend the victims are the problem. So much easier

Folks like you are not impacted by these problems. 

The day a homeless person sets up camp on your property or starts shitting and pissing on the sidewalk in front of your home... then you will care. 

I am willing to bet you certainly will not be inviting them into your home. 

In the meantime, while you dream up a way to solve homelessness, we can enforce laws that keep them from turning public parks or other recreational areas into their slums. 

[reason10]

On 7/2/2024 at 3:56 PM, impartialobserver said:

https://www.hcn.org/articles/supreme-court-gives-cities-and-towns-power-to-criminalize-homelessness/

This is going to have a large impact on the major cities out west. 

And as usual, the three UNCONSTITUTIONAL Justices had a problem with this.

[reason10]

On 7/2/2024 at 4:40 PM, Michael Hardner said:

This will have a great impact on poverty because now voters can elect governments to mandate poor people to not exist.  

I remember near Daytona there were public lands outside the city with homeless encampments.  The people liked it as long as the poor folks didn't try to come into town.  Next step will be for a federal party to start interring the people who squat on public lands.

It's social policy out of the middle ages...

The best governments are able to get rid of the poor by legislating situations where EVERYONE can get a good job and afford housing. Reagan probably brought homelessness to its lowest point of all time.

The City of Orlando has a very large homeless shelter, but the bums continue to roam Lake Eola Park and hassle families who go there for picnics. When a major political figure appears in town, the police roust those bums out.

There is NOTHING compassionate about allowing criminals to camp on sidewalks, throw away used heroin needles and crap on the sidewalk.

The irony is if those animals are thrown in jail, THEY GET TO SLEEP FOR FREE UNDER COVER  AND GET FREE FOOD AND A SHOWER.

34 minutes ago, herbie said:

You mean use common sense and address the causes of the problem? That's too leftist!

Punish, punish, shame, belittle and lock them up! Pretend the victims are the problem. So much easier

 

I agree one should common sense and address the  cause of the  problem.

The cause is ALWAYS DEMOCRAT POLICIES.

It was JFK who signed the bill deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill, which is why so many crazy people are living on the streets.

Punish the Democrats for their WAR on PROSPERITY.

[reason10]

On 7/7/2024 at 3:04 PM, Matthew said:

Blaming people for being poor and criminalized their poverty has been around for hundreds of years. It was a major theme of the fledgling capitalist middle class culture of the 1700s-1800s. So yeah the nuances of what this case does is not groundbreaking.

Well, KKKarl Marx said as much in the Communist Manifesto. He blamed the middle class (people who WORKED for a living) for the plight of the bums.

Not much has changed.

[herbie]

7 hours ago, User said:

Folks like you are not impacted by these problems. 

Other than they shut down the local Legion and turned it into a homeless shelter. Or if I go to Prince George all the 7-11s closed as that's where they sat begging all day and night. It's not confined to big cities, though it is worse there.

As for stupidest conclusions ever, Splinter(n) the last one in the caterpillar chain wins it. The democrats and the last 3 Judges not wiping their asses with  your Constitution caused homelessness. Typical, exactly like with Covid, run around looking for who's to blame before looking for a cure.

[Matthew]

23 hours ago, User said:

What does your question have to do with "criminalizing poverty" or "blaming" them for being poor?

 

Well because it will test to see if your statement is true. Pretend you have nothing and nobody to help you. Where would you sleep tonight?

[Matthew]

9 hours ago, reason10 said:

Reagan probably brought homelessness to its lowest point of all time.

Homelessness in the US doubled under Reagan.

[User]

9 hours ago, Matthew said:

Well because it will test to see if your statement is true. Pretend you have nothing and nobody to help you. Where would you sleep tonight?

How will it test that?

[Nationalist]

Gee...American poor are homeless yet...

 

Disgusting fcking Libbies! You invited this sh1t into your own nation.

Id1ots!

Edited July 9, 2024 by Nationalist

[reason10]

11 hours ago, Matthew said:

Homelessness in the US doubled under Reagan.

That is a LIE. And you are a LIAR.