How do we keep Social Conservatism (Fascism) out of Canada?

[Five of swords]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I suppose Adolf Hitler could be given faint praise

for leading his followers into the greatest suicide mission in history

then cursing them all as being traitors upon their defeat

Are you changing your mind now about whether Hitler wanted war with the western powers?

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Are you changing your mind now about whether Hitler wanted war with the western powers?

I don't think he did want a war with the Western Powers

but he was simply suckered into that fight by Stalin

Stalin agrees to invade Poland with Hitler

except Stalin holds back for a week, leaving the Germans to be trapped into a war in the West

Edited July 10, 2024 by Dougie93

[Five of swords]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So much better...

Hitler was quite open about the fact that he was inspired by how the usa managed to create a white continent not by enslaving the natives but rather by constantly pushing them deeper into the wilderness. He wanted to employ the same basic strategy to germanize Ukraine. So if that offends you, bear in mind that the usa did it first...

[Five of swords]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

I don't think he did want a war with the Western Powers

but he was simply suckered into that fight by Stalin

Stalin agrees to invade Poland with Hitler

except Stalin holds back for a week, leaving the Germans to be trapped into a war in the West

Stalin had nothing to do with it. The uk and the usa were dedicated to destroying Germany long before they officially declared war.

Hitler would say that this is because their politicians were controlled by jewish bankers. It is interesting to note that Churchill depended on the Jewish ceo of shell oil company to pay his gambling debts...but you can make up you own mind on that theory.

 

Regardless, it seems pretty silly to call it suicide when it was a war that he desperately tried to avoid. What happened to Germany was murder, not suicide.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Stalin had nothing to do with it. The uk and the usa were dedicated to destroying Germany long before they officially declared war.

nonsense

America was propping Germany up,

it's only the Great Depression which prevented America from saving Germany from itself

in terms of Britain ;  Germany & Britain started the war as de facto allies

when Britain, France & Germany all sided against the Italians in Ethiopia

[Five of swords]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

nonsense

America was propping Germany up,

it's only the Great Depression which prevented America from saving Germany from itself

in terms of Britain ;  Germany & Britain started the war as de facto allies

when Britain, France & Germany all sided against the Italians in Ethiopia

Sure. Morgenthau just loved Germany. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Sure. Morgenthau just loved Germany. 

you simply do not understand the sequence of events

the Americans did not want to have to come across the Atlantic and fight another war

so Washington was propping Wiemar Germany up, in the hopes that it would stabilize in the wake of defeat

the Fascists and Nazis were actually sworn enemies, on the brink of going to war against each other

hence Britain & France viewed Germany as a bulwark to keep the Fascists in check

it was only when Hitler & Mussolini made peace with each other, in the Pact of Steel

that Britain & France began to view Germany as a threat

since Germany was then joining Italy in threatening the Suez Canal

[Five of swords]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

you simply do not understand the sequence of events

the Americans did not want to have to come across the Atlantic and fight another war

so Washington was propping Wiemar Germany up, in the hopes that it would stabilize in the wake of defeat

the Fascists and Nazis were actually sworn enemies, on the brink of going to war against each other

hence Britain & France viewed Germany as a bulwark to keep the Fascists in check

it was only when Hitler & Mussolini made peace with each other, in the Pact of Steel

that Britain & France began to view Germany as a threat

since Germany was then joining Italy in threatening the Suez Canal

Americans did not want to, but the elite certainly did...which was also true with ww1. 

Hitler and mussolinni were not sworn enemies. And actually, western elites were more willing to side with mussolini than they were Hitler. Probably because Hitler was more opposed to jewish power. They desperately tried to get mussolini to oppose the annexation of Austria, which he did a little bit. But there was never any potential of war between Germany and italy.

[herbie]

The "elites" eh? Like the ones selling everything but guns and ammo to Hitler?

Or the ones who had electricity and flush toilets and went to skool? Don't try tp generalize the America Firsters as 'the American public'. They knew by 1940 war was inevitable and elected FDR by another landslide. And they were smart enough to know a Fascist from a Conservative.

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

The "elites" eh? Like the ones selling everything but guns and ammo to Hitler?

Or the ones who had electricity and flush toilets and went to skool? Don't try tp generalize the America Firsters as 'the American public'. They knew by 1940 war was inevitable and elected FDR by another landslide. And they were smart enough to know a Fascist from a Conservative.

Uh...Henry Ford, for example, strongly supported Hitler because clearly they agreed on some important points. But Henry Ford was just a rich guy...he would not qualify as an elite as pareto would define it.

 

Jonathan Greenblatt is clearly an elite of the usa, and he isn't even a billionaire.

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Uh...Henry Ford, for example, strongly supported Hitler because clearly they agreed on some important points. But Henry Ford was just a rich guy...he would not qualify as an elite as pareto would define it.

 

Jonathan Greenblatt is clearly an elite of the usa, and he isn't even a billionaire.

so nothing to cite. No sources to back this up?

[Five of swords]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

so nothing to cite. No sources to back this up?

Uh...what claim exactly do you want a source on? That Henry Ford was concerned about jewish global power?

[CrazyCanuck89]

19 hours ago, Five of swords said:

1) the past the third Reich was recalling was not mythical at all. In fact it was in the living memory of most germans.

 

2) until the nsdap acquired power they had no control over what media people listened to.

 

3) national socialists never suggested anyone was 'better'. Most if them would say that is a childish concern. What they focused on was the idea that Germans should be sovereign over Germany and that at that time they were not.

It is mythical.  The Mythical past is based on a Utopian society that never happened.  Germany has always had crime, Germany has always had homeless, Germany has always had unemployment.

In no way was Germany better off with a monarch.

Plus in a Socialist society, they would not be privatizing businesses like Hitler did.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Uh...what claim exactly do you want a source on? That Henry Ford was concerned about jewish global power?

Well that wasn't your claim.

But how about a cite for ANY of the bullshit you've been spouting.  Lets start with your documentation of how britain had no reason to enter the war other than just hating germany. lets start with that. 

[Five of swords]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well that wasn't your claim.

But how about a cite for ANY of the bullshit you've been spouting.  Lets start with your documentation of how britain had no reason to enter the war other than just hating germany. lets start with that. 

The sort of thing you are asking is quite impossible. The heroic allies defeating the evil nazi regime is the creation myth of the usa, and the legitimacy of our system is based on it. You cannot simply educate yourself on the reality of this subject with a Google search. If you find it difficult to believe that the usa curates available information on this then I suggest you read this book: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/struggle-for-the-files/96DCF61A08CE042FF58C6B116F3EB839

 

In fact, the usa actually destroyed a massive number of books following ww2 if they supported the nsdap narrative. But if you search for book burnings you will only find stories on the 'nazis' (and the nsdap never called themselves nazis). If you want to find out about war crimes against civilians in ww2 you will only learn about how evil the nazis were...despite the fact that stuff like the firebombings of cities (and nuking of cities) by the allies was the most remarkable aspect of that subject.

 

Because this is so politicized, education on this subject actually takes work. You can't just watch a Hollywood movie or look up a Wikipedia article and decide you know the truth about the matter. Sorry.

 

But one thing that SHOULD give you pause is how absurdand contradictory the narrative you were fed was. How on earth could Germany be the greatest threat to the uk when the person who was expanding most aggressively was Stalin? That just doesn't add up. And in fact there is a period inhibitory known as the 'cold war' which should be a clue about the objective threat that the ussr posed.

 

Hitler in practice never did anything but attempt to unite germans under one banner. Even when he conquered France he opted not to keep it. He instead just set up Vichy France and allowed many of the administrators to be people who had aggressively opposed him prior to conquering the country. Why? Because Hitler wanted to rule the germans, not the French. His was a nationalist movement. Besides, France (and the uk) simply did not have the resources (oil and farmland) that germans desperately needed. Stalin, in contrast, had an internationalist vision. He had no problem at all with consuming Estonia, Lithuania, Finland, and poland. You really ought to be wondering about that. If the uk was so scared of threats to its empire, why were they such good friends to Stalin? It simply doesn't make sense.

Edited July 11, 2024 by Five of swords

[Five of swords]

43 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

It is mythical.  The Mythical past is based on a Utopian society that never happened.  Germany has always had crime, Germany has always had homeless, Germany has always had unemployment.

In no way was Germany better off with a monarch.

Plus in a Socialist society, they would not be privatizing businesses like Hitler did.

Lol...Hitler never claimed he could completely solve crime or poverty. That is absurd. But it is also absurd if you think germans were not better off before ww1 compared to after, especially with the global financial collapse.

Hitler did not privatize business. He nationalized them. He had total control over the reichsbank. He could dictate to Volkswagen what they would produce and what wages they offered their workers. He actually had more direct control over the German economy than Stalin had over the ussr, lol...especially because Stalin was not divorcing his country from global trade and finance.