No Muslim Outrage

[newbie]

Found this in my email. Thought it was appropriate given the recent cartoon issue.

Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt.

No Muslim outrage.

* A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back.

No Muslim outrage.

* Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons.

No Muslim outrage

* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world.

No Muslim outrage.

* Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge.

No Muslim outrage

*Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed.

Muslims are outraged.

[Durgan]

This, of course, will continue until the World's Democratic leaders quit being politically correct.

Durgan.

[Cameron]

This, of course, will continue until the World's Democratic leaders quit being politically correct.

Durgan.

Absolutely

[betsy]

This, of course, will continue until the World's Democratic leaders quit being politically correct.

Durgan.

Absolutely

I think the European media...and those from elsewhere (including our Western Standard)....are finally taking a heroic stance on this issue. You've got to start somewhere. And we know the media is an influential tool to start.

[Durgan]

http://mazziera.notlong.com URL to full article.

A democracy cannot survive long without freedom of expression, the freedom to argue, to dissent, even to insult and offend. It is a freedom sorely lacking in the Islamic world, and without it Islam will remain unassailed in its dogmatic, fanatical, medieval fortress; ossified, totalitarian and intolerant. Without this fundamental freedom, Islam will continue to stifle thought, human rights, individuality; originality and truth.

[scribblet]

The western media doesn't have the guts to stand up for freedom of speech. I'm supporting the Western Standard.

BTW why so many threads on the same subject, can't answer them all.

[kimmy]

(hmm. how'd they forget the Beslan school massacre?)

Anyway, I'm not generally one to stick up for Muslims in any discussion, but I'm not exactly sure this is fair. I'm not sure I buy the claim that there was "no Muslim outrage" to the events listed here. There might not be large public demonstrations, but I don't think that means there was no outrage.

-k

[geoffrey]

I think the bigger issue newbie is trying to make is that while all these major occurances happened, no protests were stagged by the muslim community. It was only when we violated a religious value of theirs (which isn't actually a religious value of theirs) did they call for death to the west and carried out such outrageous acts of violence.

I'm going to have to say that as a group they have no social conscience and instead just resort to mob rule and the power of clerical authority. Really, those that decry democratic values have no recourse to claim democratic rights. Time to offer them democracy, by force. If they don't like it, and prefer their lands of rampant murder, violence and human rights abuses, then tough, we enforce it anyways.

A slave is still a slave even if they enjoy being one. Time for a little liberation.

[scribblet]

I think the bigger issue newbie is trying to make is that while all these major occurances happened, no protests were stagged by the muslim community. It was only when we violated a religious value of theirs (which isn't actually a religious value of theirs) did they call for death to the west and carried out such outrageous acts of violence.

I'm going to have to say that as a group they have no social conscience and instead just resort to mob rule and the power of clerical authority. Really, those that decry democratic values have no recourse to claim democratic rights. Time to offer them democracy, by force. If they don't like it, and prefer their lands of rampant murder, violence and human rights abuses, then tough, we enforce it anyways.

A slave is still a slave even if they enjoy being one. Time for a little liberation.

Actually, what is happening around the world seems to be ignored, or at least political correctness doesn't allow the media to say it; but if you want the short version, a Muslim demonstrator in Toronto the other day put it very well:

''We won't stop the protests until the world obeys Islamic law.''

[Cameron]

''We won't stop the protests until the world obeys Islamic law.''

Oh yea...I'll fight to keep what we have here. There is no f-ing way I'm obeying THEIR law...ass h*les

[GostHacked]

As one of my friends put it.

'Islam needs as a whole to just grow the fook up.'

[scribblet]

There's a good article here from a local newspaper in Jutland (ever heard of Jutland before?, I think it says it very well. We should all support Denmark.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/810

It is true that the Western press has been grossly offensive to religious people in the past, mocking their beliefs and morals, hurting their feelings, insulting them. From the BBC to CNN, from The Guardian to The New York Times, the dominant media have never been squeamish about giving offense.

snip

Last Friday Jyllands-Posten [The Jutland Post], the paper that published the original drawings, ran a remarkable article “Man pisser på os” by Per Nyholm, one of its journalists. Here it is, translated for you into English by one of our Danish readers. This is how the Danes feel today:

[b[We are being pissed upon [/b]

snip

And yet Denmark is being pissed upon. The spokesman of the US State Department is pissing on Denmark, the British Secretary of Foreign Affairs is pissing on Denmark, the President of Afghanistan is pissing on Denmark, the Government of Iraq is pissing on Denmark, other Muslim regimes are pissing on Denmark. In Gaza, where Danes for years have provided humanitarian aid, crazed Imams encourage people to cut off the hands and heads of the cartoonists who made the drawings of Mohammed for the Jyllands-Posten newspaper.

Excuse my choice of words, but all this pissing is pissing me off.

What is going on? I am not referring so much to the threats against Danish citizens and Danish commerce. Nor to the burnt down Embassies. I am thinking of a word that keeps popping up whenever the Mohammed cartoons are mentioned.

That word is BUT. A sneaky word. It is used to deny or qualify what one has just said.

How many times lately have we not heard people of power, the Opinion Makers and others say that of course we have freedom of speech, BUT.

They have said it, all of them, from Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General, to our own Bendt Bendtsen [a Danish Politician]. Once we had to be sensitive to the easily hurt feelings of the Nazis, then came the Communists, now it is the Islamists. The reason I say ‘Islamists’ is that I do not for a moment believe all the world’s Muslims are pissing on us. I think we are dealing with thugs, fools and misled people. Those are the ones we have to deal with, and then the chickenshit politicians.

The cartoons are no longer something Jyllands-Posten can control. They have already been manipulated and misrepresented to the point that few know what is going on and fewer know how to stop it. This affair is artifically being kept buoyant in a sea of lies, suppressions of the truth, misconceptions, lunacy and hypocrisy, for which this newspaper bears no blame. The only thing Jyllands-Posten did was provide a pin-prick which has made a boil of nastiness erupt. This would have happened sooner or later. That it happened more than four months after the publication of the cartoons, raises a question of its own. Are we dealing with random events or with a staged clash of civilizations? One might hope for the former yet be prepared to expect the latter.

That is why I say: Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech. There is no but.

Initially I was doubtful of the timeliness of publishing the cartoons. Later events have convinced me that it was both just and useful to do so. That they are consistent with Danish law and Danish custom seem to me less important than this: that we now know that remote, primitive countries deem themselves justified in telling us what to do. Unfortunately we must also note that governments close to us are agreeing with them in the name of expedience.

It was right and just for this newspaper to launch an offensive for Freedom of Speech, and useful, as we have now acquired new knowledge. Welcome to a brave new world where even our Prime Minister – in spite of his laudable firmness – must gaze out upon a scorched political landscape. True, his friend in Washington, George Bush, has uttered the customary condemnation of the torching of our embassies, but his State Department alludes to us as being the guilty ones in this case. The suggestion that Danish troops might contribute to democratization is buried under the charred remains of our diplomatic representations in Beirut and Damascus.

Perhaps it is time we started mopping up this mess. Perhaps Editor-in-Chief Carsten Juste ought to remove his apology which has gone stale sitting so long on the front page of our internet edition and which does not seem to interest the madmen. Perhaps our government ought to announce to Mona Omar Attia, the strange Ambassador of Egypt, that she is persona non grata.

Perhaps the ambassadors that have been called home to fictitious consultations in the Middle East should be told that they may spare themselves the cost of the return ticket.

In so far as possible The Lying Imams probably ought to be expelled. And then we ought to make an effort to support those Muslims who in a difficult situation have proven themselves to be true Citizens.

We, for our part, have no wish to be a burden to the Arab governments. We will happily withdraw our soldiers, policemen and diplomats. If they think our money smells, we will retract our aid. Our trade must make do as well as it can. We promise to not bear a grudge and, in time, we will be glad to return, but we are through with the hypocrisy. We have better things to do than being pissed upon at our own expense.

Cut down our activities in the Middle East. The world holds plenty of other opportunities.

[geoffrey]

What does Denmark make? I was thinking I would like to support them by buying products because of the embargoes from the Middle-East, but I can't find any Danish goods...

[scribblet]

You've probably seen this before, but if not, read it and weep - for Western society and the future. This is indeed scary.

www.nefafoundation.org/video/protest.wmv

Also

Saturday March 11

Danish Consulate, Toronto

151 Bloor St West

12-1:30 PM

We encourage you to bring supportive signs, Danish flags, or, if you wish, Danish products. (I certainly wouldn't mind some cheese.)

For further details, please visit www.navpurewal.com/denmark.htm . If you wish to contact me, you can do so at [email protected]

[PocketRocket]

Well, seeing as how this seems to be little more than a Muslim-bashing thread, with KIMMY making the only near-dissenting opinion, I thought I'd poke around a bit.

I Googled the phrase "canadian muslim leader stop protests" as I seemed to remember hearing something on CBC Radio (yes MONTY, the state-run yadda yadda) about a Muslim leader calling for a stop to the protests.

The first several returns found these little tidbits.....

http://www.ahmadiyya.ca/

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community of Canada is appalled and strongly condemns the action of a section of the Media for depicting and publishing a disrespectful caricature the Holy Prophet of Islam......."reaction to these publications clearly shows how Muslim, around the world, were deeply hurt. However, strikes and sabotage is not the way to respond to provocation"......... The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believes that Muslims around the world should respond with better human qualities of respect and tolerance and should not resort to violence in any shape and form. The Holy Prophet Muhammad taught us not to respond with hate. We should take up the pen to bring out the most beautiful teachings of Islam to the world.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_fatah/20060210.html

The Muslim Canadian Congress points a finger at the hypocrisy of the outrage by the Muslim community....."Many Muslim governments, led by dictators and kings, have fanned this selected sense of outrage against Danish food products. Their campaign reeks of hypocrisy and false bravado. After all, it is easy to give up on Danish cheese, but who will hand over their Microsoft products, their iMacs or their Mercedes cars. Not Hosni Mubarik, and definitely not King Abdullah or President Assad of Syria."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/mu...s_timeline.html

Meanwhile, Muslim community leaders ask people to avoid upcoming demonstrations in Montreal. They fear violence may erupt........ The Ulama Council, a leading group of Islamic clerics, calls for an end to violent demonstrations. "We condemn the cartoons but this does not justify violence," the council says.

http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20060219.pdf

The Muslim Canadian Congress has condemned attacks on Churches in Pakistan and Nigeria that have led to the death of 15 Christians, including women and children.

In an appeal to Muslims across the world, the MCC is urging them to resist the temptation of participating in public demonstrations to express their anger at the publication of the demeaning and insulting cartoons of Prophet Muhammad in Denmark.

"We understand their pain, but Muslims should channel their anger not by burning and pillaging, but by following the example of Prophet Muhammad himself, who urged restraint and calmness in the wake of provocation," said Tarek Fatah, spokesperson of the MCC.

It seems that more than a few Muslim leaders are calling for a stop to the violence, and the protests, and the intolerance, and just about all the things that everyone is complaining about.

In fact, many of these same leaders are pointing to the fact that Muslim extremists are simply using the cartoons to further their own agendas, as are many high-profile Muslim leaders who stand to benefit from violence which they are hoping will lead to an increase in their own power.

The outrage is there. It is simply being spoken in a more quiet voice than that of the protesters.

Not unusual that.

The voice of reason is seldom as strident as that of anger or intolerance.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear PocketRocket,

The outrage is there. It is simply being spoken in a more quiet voice than that of the protesters.

Not unusual that.

The voice of reason is seldom as strident as that of anger or intolerance.

Well done and well said. Loonies are always the loudest, for what they lack in logic they try to make up for in volume.

[Biblio Bibuli]

It seems that more than a few Muslim leaders are calling for a stop to the violence, and the protests, and the intolerance, and just about all the things that everyone is complaining about.

I wonder if these "nice" Muslims would be as nice if they had as many WMDs as Russia, the USA or China?

You know, I think there IS a God.

[sharkman]

It seems that more than a few Muslim leaders are calling for a stop to the violence, and the protests, and the intolerance, and just about all the things that everyone is complaining about.

I wonder if these "nice" Muslims would be as nice if they had as many WMDs as Russia, the USA or China?

You know, I think there IS a God.

Hold that thought, Biblio, Iran's nutjob president just might turn the trick of getting nukes. God gives us the freedom to live as we choose, and then live with our decisions, which is a pretty just outcome if you ask me. All it takes for evil to suceed is for good men to decide to do nothing.

[Biblio Bibuli]

Iran's nutjob president just might turn the trick of getting nukes.

Over George's & Vladimir's dead bodies!!

[JerrySeinfeld]

Iran's nutjob president just might turn the trick of getting nukes.

Over George's & Vladimir's dead bodies!!

You're looking in the wrong direction boys...the first Muslim nuclear power will be France.

[Montgomery Burns]

There are some pro-US/anti-terrorism rallies in the Muslim world:

JOLO ISLAND -- More than 1,000 Muslims staged a surprising pro-US rally Saturday in Jolo, where thousands of American and Filipino soldiers are to start a month-long joint military drills and humanitarian mission in the impoverished island, about 950 kilometers south of Manila.

Hundreds of placard-bearing villagers, some came as far as the Parang town, south of the island, to join the rally led by the influential Sultan of Sulu and North Borneo, Sharif Ibrahim Ajibul Mohammad Pulalun.

[...]"I call on every Muslims in Sulu to support the government and the Balikatan program because this will bring us more humanitarian aid. Let us show the world that we are peaceful citizens. I appeal to every Muslims to welcome our American visitors and support their peaceful cause," the 50-year old leader, who is a staunch supporter of President Gloria Arroyo, said.

[...]"We Love You America, Welcome!," one placard reads. "This is why we really want, we need the Americans to help us fight terrorism and so we may live peacefully here," said Abdulgafur Omar, a 29-year old trader.

I have also seen pics of numerous protests against terrorism in Iraq from the Iraqi blogs (even Al Jazeera has reported them), but the West's MSM refuses to cover these events because that would make President Bush look good--an absolute no-no in the world of the West's liberal MSM.

HOWEVER, when I see reports like this like this, I get discouraged: