A conundrum for the Republican convention: history's first

[cougar]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Mandella was a convicted felon. It's not quite that simple. 

And that's why there's a very real chance this is going to blow up in their face politically. 

Trump is no Mandella. Neither Mother Theresa.   Then from what I remember Mandella was in prison for a long time.

There are more criminal trials against Trump.  Most likely he is going to jail.

 

"This is the lowest lying mushroom of the group" jimmy Kimmel says 😆

 

Edited June 1, 2024 by cougar

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, cougar said:

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

You just told me you know nothing about the trial.

I do not even have to.

ROFMAO!!! 

Well there you go   No thoughts, no intellect, just blind obedience. There's the left for you today in a nutshell LOL!

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, cougar said:

Trump is no Mandella.

 

the dems are turning him into one right now. 

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 Neither Mother Theresa.  

?????????  -  ok.  

 

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Then from what I remember Mandella was in prison for a long time.

What on earth would that have to do with anything? If it makes you feel better i'm sure that the dems wish trump went away for just as long

 

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"This is the lowest lying mushroom of the group" jimmy Kimmel says 😆

More like the highest fruit for the dems. This case had almost no legal legitimacy. To win this one they had to break a lot of rules that have never been broken before. It's the first case of it's kind in the history of the US, not even counting the part where the subject is running for office. 

The others are far more legitimate.  To win this one they had to rig the hell out of it. And if he goes to jail at all, it'll probably be from this judge which will also be a travesty. 

[cougar]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

ROFMAO!!! 

Well there you go   No thoughts, no intellect, just blind obedience. There's the left for you today in a nutshell LOL!

Next time police stops you show them your intellect and throw your tantrums.  Good luck.  Or you can do it in court if you have the opportunity.

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

More like the highest fruit for the dems.

Just watch the show and have a laugh.

Trump is just that laughing stock. 

 

Edited June 1, 2024 by cougar

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, cougar said:

Next time police stops you show them your intellect and throw your tantrums. 

 

So just act like you? Are you TRYING to get me arrested?!?   

[myata]

An exxpert in law with just under 10% or working brain 😞 has just discovered that judge can give the jury instructions to convict. Just have to lie their way out.. but what other options?

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Frankly I don't see either of them being particularly great candidates. Their policies aside I find both of them are divisive, polarizing and dishonest. But of the two I do find the democrats to be more of a threat to democracy by an order of magnitude compared to trump. What they're doing with the courts right now, and not just in this case, is beyond 'anti democratic'. 

I'm no fan of Biden or the Democrats but Trump has been a shady operator his entire life. Always playing fast and loose with the rules and laws. This is a guy who bragged of cutting deals with the mob in New York. He cheated his suppliers and loved SLAP suits. And as I've said before, based on what his own son said (Russian money saved us), it's clear a lot of Russian money went into Trump enterprises after their bankruptcy. Do I think none of that was laundered or from sanctioned sources? Nope. Nor do I think he would care about the law if he thought he could get away with something. He clearly has cheated on his taxes, both personal and corporate, so it's not hard to believe he lied about business expenses to cover up diverting money to his former mistress. Should that be illegal? I dunno, but it always has been. It's also pretty clear from what his own people have said that he deliberately lied and kept top secret documents despite repeated requests to turn them over. Again, illegal. 

Now, do I think these prosecutors and agencies had a particular reason to investigate Trump and Trump Enterprises because they didn't like him? Sure! But the Republicans had a special investigator pouring through the Clintons' stuff for four years and all he and his staff ever found was that Bill Clinton lied about his mistress during a deposition. And then they spent a couple of years trying to get Hillary Clinton and all they found was she made some emails on her own account and not on the State Departments.

I was really hoping Desantis would win the nomination. But apparently, he's not Mr. Charisma. And he never worked up the courage to directly challenge Trump on anything, even the names Trump called him.

Meh. The best possible outcome for this is both he and Biden have mutual heart attacks on the stage and someone else is put forward from both camps.

[I am Groot]

14 hours ago, myata said:

Only it isn't the irony but the logical end product of the partisan, binary system. It worked itself to the end and now can only produce the same broken tape, like a worn out gramophone. It couldn't see and understand what's happening around it, it makes no difference whatsoever bzzz bzzz bzzz.

I think it's the result of each side's crazies pushing the other side to be even crazier. 

If Biden did step down the likely replacement would be one of those woke SJW nutters, who would probably lose, so that might play into why he's staying.

[gatomontes99]

10 hours ago, cougar said:

I do not even have to.

There is a judge and jury that I have full faith in.

I also have my own two eyes, two ears and a bit of grey matter in my head that allows me to think 😃

You shouldn't have full faith in our society. The judge raised money for his campaign on this trial. His daughter raised millions for the dnc on this trial. The AAUSA switched state level just to work on this trial. The FEC said nothing illegal was done. The state of NY said nothing was wrong. Bragg, himself said nothing was wrong. But Biden, the tin pot dictator, needed campaign material. So he sent the AAUSA to NY and changed Bragg's mind. Then they picked a jurisdiction that had almost Noone voting for Trump. Then, their star witness, the only one that said Trump approved the deal was convicted of perjury and caught lying on the witness stand and countered by a defense witness that had documentation the Cohen lied. Yet, they convicted him of crimes that had run the statute of limitations to cover up a felony the federal government said didn't occur.

Why would you have faith in that? Our system is only as good as the people in it. When the people are corrupt, the system is corrupt.

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ROFMAO!!! 

Well there you go   No thoughts, no intellect, just blind obedience. There's the left for you today in a nutshell LOL!

It's rare when they just flat out admit it.

[myata]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I think it's the result of each side's crazies pushing the other side to be even crazier. 

And that's exactly what the partisan system does. If you're not crazy enough it means that you may be sympathizing with the other side that is hell and anathema so cannot be trusted. Nothing special: only a logical and predictable process. And the outcome, of course.

[cougar]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

The FEC said nothing illegal was done. The state of NY said nothing was wrong. Bragg, himself said nothing was wrong.

 

Yeah, nothing is wrong.  Only 34 felonies.

In a criminal trial things are proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you want to tell me that USA is a complete banana republic with no laws , you can all start a civil war to fight for your democracy, maybe drop a few bombs here and there too, instead of trying to impose on the world something you admit the country does not have itself.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, myata said:

An exxpert in law with just under 10% or working brain 😞 has just discovered that judge can give the jury instructions to convict. Just have to lie their way out.. but what other options?

Sounds like the expert has about 9.99 percent more of his brain working than you   At least he can speak coherent english. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

I'm no fan of Biden or the Democrats but Trump has been a shady operator his entire life. Always playing fast and loose with the rules and laws. This is a guy who bragged of cutting deals with the mob in New York. He cheated his suppliers and loved SLAP suits. And as I've said before, based on what his own son said (Russian money saved us), it's clear a lot of Russian money went into Trump enterprises after their bankruptcy. Do I think none of that was laundered or from sanctioned sources? Nope. Nor do I think he would care about the law if he thought he could get away with something. He clearly has cheated on his taxes, both personal and corporate, so it's not hard to believe he lied about business expenses to cover up diverting money to his former mistress. Should that be illegal? I dunno, but it always has been. It's also pretty clear from what his own people have said that he deliberately lied and kept top secret documents despite repeated requests to turn them over. Again, illegal. 

Now, do I think these prosecutors and agencies had a particular reason to investigate Trump and Trump Enterprises because they didn't like him? Sure! But the Republicans had a special investigator pouring through the Clintons' stuff for four years and all he and his staff ever found was that Bill Clinton lied about his mistress during a deposition. And then they spent a couple of years trying to get Hillary Clinton and all they found was she made some emails on her own account and not on the State Departments.

I was really hoping Desantis would win the nomination. But apparently, he's not Mr. Charisma. And he never worked up the courage to directly challenge Trump on anything, even the names Trump called him.

Meh. The best possible outcome for this is both he and Biden have mutual heart attacks on the stage and someone else is put forward from both camps.

All successful American politicians are shady.  And there's no doubt trump cheats the system.

but that seriously means nothing as far as the country goes. Whether he bangs a prostitute or not has no real impact on democracy (Clinton just breathed a sign of relief   ) 

But the stuff with the courts? The stuff with the fbi? Trying to block him from being on the ballot and bragging about it? That's how democracy falls. That's how empires start to wind down. It's hard to overstate how bad that is. 

If trump dies tomorrow there will still be shady republicans out there but basically the party moves on as it has for ages. 

If biden dies tomorrow, the democrats will still be organized to use the police and courts to surpress their political opponents and they will all still have thought that was a great idea. 

There's no white hats here but the dems (and not just biden) are a threat to the american democracy that is an order of magnitude larger. 

[myata]

Lincoln "shady"? Roosevelt shady, Reagan? Kennedy "shady", and Luther King?

Should we just let blatant boldface lies slip, and see what happens? Can we? Isn't that what's gotten us here?

[I am Groot]

58 minutes ago, myata said:

Lincoln "shady"? Roosevelt shady, Reagan? Kennedy "shady", and Luther King?

Should we just let blatant boldface lies slip, and see what happens? Can we? Isn't that what's gotten us here?

There are degrees of shady. I'm pretty sure Biden has traded favors for donations and who knows what else during all his time in politics. They all do. I doubt Biden would take money to let Russia have Ukraine or China have Taiwan, though. I don't think Trump would put up much resistance if the cash pile was high enough.. The man would pimp his daughters out for enough money.

But what it all boils down to for me is I trust the people around Biden to be competent, even if he is a doddering old man. he's still smart enough to take advice from the experts. Trump clearly is not. Everyone said eight years ago that even though Trump didn't know much he'd have great people around him. And he did, at first. But as soon as they started to disagree with 'his gut' he fired them all. Now the people around him are grifters, kooks, and sleazy yes-men.

Edited June 1, 2024 by I am Groot

[myata]

7 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

There are degrees of shady.

But the liar used the same word for it! Reagan is "shady" and Trump so the buffoon is just like Reagan or Roosevelt no difference, all are "shady". I don't think we can afford to live with that any longer because it's very clear where, which direction it's taking us in. So the lie has to be called. All politicians "shady": prove it. Or shut up and be known as a stinky liar no better than the buffoon idol, just less talented at the sh*tty profession.

[myata]

Of course, as was already observed by someone, if not the irony this may well go in the history as the pinnacle of stupidity. Joe could have bowed out and let in new wind and a new direction and new hope. But no. Obstinance and rut mentality. Never, ever works in that other party. Always has to be step in boring step in the old boring footsteps. One failure, two, three: nope. In a row too. No hope. No feedback and nothing gained. It's too far away: in itself. Don't hear and doesn't want to get anything. Works just fine as it is. The future is guaranteed and assured.

OK. That would be one to watch. Clearly unfit versus bored to death. Good one Joe. Just don't try to spread the blame around if it: that stupid, senile and obstinate bet goes wrong way. That much, we know.

[CdnFox]

 

7 hours ago, myata said:

Lincoln "shady"?

Lincoln who owned slaves?

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 Kennedy "shady", and Luther King?

Are you insane? Kennedy was beyond shady point where they literally cannot figure out who had the best motive to kill him. And Martin Luther shadyness was extremely well documented. Abusive to women, slept around on his wife quite a bit, tons of other stuff. Also he wasn't actually a politician he was an activist.

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Should we just let blatant boldface lies slip, and see what happens? Can we? Isn't that what's gotten us here?

The Americans always have. Now the Canadians have with Justin as well. So it would seem that we can yes. I don't think we should but that can't be one-sided. The democrats let the clintons off the hook for lying about Lewinsky. They let the clintons off again when it came to hillary lying about her server and Benghazi and a dozen other things.

Do you honestly believe Republicans will look at that and say oh goodness we should really care about our own side lying?

There's no chance. The democrats have already normalized lying and made it acceptable. And it's almost impossible to close that door once it's opened.  Sorry  that's just the way it works.  If only one side plays by the rules, pretty soon neither side will. 

[Hodad]

9 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

You shouldn't have full faith in our society. The judge raised money for his campaign on this trial. His daughter raised millions for the dnc on this trial. The AAUSA switched state level just to work on this trial. The FEC said nothing illegal was done. The state of NY said nothing was wrong. Bragg, himself said nothing was wrong. But Biden, the tin pot dictator, needed campaign material. So he sent the AAUSA to NY and changed Bragg's mind. Then they picked a jurisdiction that had almost Noone voting for Trump. Then, their star witness, the only one that said Trump approved the deal was convicted of perjury and caught lying on the witness stand and countered by a defense witness that had documentation the Cohen lied. Yet, they convicted him of crimes that had run the statute of limitations to cover up a felony the federal government said didn't occur.

Why would you have faith in that? Our system is only as good as the people in it. When the people are corrupt, the system is corrupt.

It's rare when they just flat out admit it.

Wow, you make a lot of accusations without a single link. Most of them pretty unlikely. I think you've just been drinking from the fever swamp.

I do not think you can show that Merchan "campaigned" on this case.

I don't think you can show that his daughter raised money on this case (not that it's relevant).

This is the district where the crimes occurred, so Trump "picked" this district. 

I am 100% positive that you can't show that Biden was even remotely involved in this case. That just didn't happen. This case was the worst of them all.

 

 

 

[myata]

I won't even bother to answer to the liar who takes a word and pulls and stretches it as far as impossible, to mean anything: that he needs. Unless you're a shining specimen of a pure, absolute cleanness, in his definition too, then you have to be that, "shady". All men are the same because "shady". Just pick any two, and never bother to think. An old, bored to death lying trick.

Quite amazing to see how the degradation, then: decay of integrity and intelligence progresses in an authoritarian mob. Used to pretend thought, intelligent analysis. No luck: all fake and all gone. Only a lesser student of the lying buffoon. And no regrets there: because one chooses it. Nope they didn't have to. No one made them. They don't even have this excuse: for the record.

[myata]

If you decided to give your brain to the lying mob, for free and entirely voluntarily remember: the choice was yours, solely and only. No one is responsible but you. No one made you not to see the objective truth that was right before your eyes:

Clinton conceded the election the next day and congratulated the incoming president

Trump admitted the defeat two months after the election; never congratulated the incoming president; and didn't mention his name.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, myata said:

I won't even bother to answer to the liar who takes a word and pulls and stretches it as far as impossible, to mean anything: that he needs.

Better than an !diot  who doesn't seem to know what words mean in the first place. 

2 hours ago, myata said:

If you decided to give your brain to the lying mob, for free and entirely voluntarily remember: the choice was yours, solely and only.

I would never choose to be a democrat. 

[myata]

Dead brain, junior K "polemical" tricks. They'll strut it all and everything, for free. Just look.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Dead brain, junior K "polemical" tricks. They'll strut it all and everything, for free. Just look.

maybe you could get an AI program to write your replies? That would make you sound much smarter. 

[myata]

An intriguing case where the ability to tap the keys somehow developed in an entirely dead brain. Imagine that? Is it some random buzzwave? Simply astounding. A new mystery in the science of the brain. Any takers for a thesis? A few subjects right here, free.