McGill asks police for help as pro-Palestinian encampment enters 4th day - Police say 'no crime is being committed' at the encampment

[Michael Hardner]

Attacks on the personalities of the protesters aren't relevant.  Calls to beat them are condemnable.  

Salient points are: racist behaviour by the protesters, refusal to negotiate, outsiders manipulating the situation.

But I would say that these protestors are standing up for civilians, not (as the Ottawa protesters) for themselves.  And the mandate is much more clear here also.

People should look at these issues based on the principles, not the tribalism ie. "I don't like woke universities therefore I'm against this"

 

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"The McGill participants in the encampment would refuse to put forward proposals through their legal counsel to us in terms of when they would end the encampment," Labeau said.

"We've seen an increase in the number of tents. We've seen the arrival of large numbers of people from outside the McGill community. And we've also heard the reports of antisemitic rhetoric being used, and this is under investigation on our end."

 

[Gaétan]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Attacks on the personalities of the protesters aren't relevant.  Calls to beat them are condemnable.  

Salient points are: racist behaviour by the protesters, refusal to negotiate, outsiders manipulating the situation.

But I would say that these protestors are standing up for civilians, not (as the Ottawa protesters) for themselves.  And the mandate is much more clear here also.

People should look at these issues based on the principles, not the tribalism ie. "I don't like woke universities therefore I'm against this"

 

 

The protests embarrass the politicians and businessmen and women who make money from the genocide, so they will say that the demonstrators are anti-Semites, but they are not anti-Semites, but anti-injustices.

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The protests embarrass the politicians and businessmen and women who make money from the genocide, so they will say that the demonstrators are anti-Semites, but they are not anti-Semites, but anti-injustices.

It's not necessary to pick a side or even have an opinion with a difficult issue.  But it's essential for a healthy public to respect our conventions of honest and solution based dialogue.

If we can't do that, then we can't criticize any individual or group, since the onus on us is minimal.

Insults happen in the heat of discussion but they shouldn't be the core of the discussion.  Step back and accept that you mis-stepped, then engage your discussion partner positively.

If you don't trust or respect them, put them on ignore.

The allegations of anti-Semitism are credible.

For those who decry "Zionism", do you want to turn back the clock and take Israel off the map?  What is the precedent or principle here?

Edited May 2, 2024 by Michael Hardner

[Gaétan]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The allegations of anti-Semitism are credible.

No, there is no anti semites among protestors but there is anti palestinians because Immigration Canada accept Ukrainians widely while they refuse the right of canadian families to get members out of gaza.

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

No, there is no anti semites among protestors ...

How can you say such with any certainty?

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

How can you say such with any certainty?

There is more anti palestinians among the conservative and liberal governments than there could be anti semite among all demonstrators so far and the government of Ontario and Québec are also anti palestinians, we know very well that they support the genocide of Gazan because of their love of the Jews' money. Demonstrators are not the Ku Klux Klan, they just try to put the focus on the anti semitism to discreditate those who fight for justice.

Edited May 2, 2024 by Gaétan

[Michael Hardner]

34 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

There is more anti palestinians among the conservative and liberal governments than there could be anti semite among all demonstrators so far and the government of Ontario and Québec are also anti palestinians, we know very well that they support the genocide of Gazan because of their love of the Jews' money. Demonstrators are not the Ku Klux Klan, they just try to put the focus on the anti semitism to discreditate those who fight for justice.

You didn't answer my question.  At all.  

Instead, you refer to "the anti semitism".  Are you retracting this statement then ? "there is no anti semites among protestors "

[Guest]

9 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I dont think anyone would care if the Police beat these troublemakers to death.

I don't know about to death. I wouldn't lose sleep if they were maced and batoned into submission. 

Them decrying "police abuse of power!" would bring a smile to my face.

Kind of like hating your parents as a child, when they put their foot down on whatever BS you're pulling.

They are the result of parents never saying no.

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And you appear to be an example of why we desperately need to get MORE money into our educational system, not less.

At this point it should be referred to as "educational" "system".

Both terms now should be questioned. 

[Gaétan]

41 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You didn't answer my question.  At all.  

Instead, you refer to "the anti semitism".  Are you retracting this statement then ? "there is no anti semites among protestors "

There is no anti semitism since world war 2, not in Canada and US anyway, the demonstrators protest for justice. What these students have something to de with antisemitism, there may be some in right wing extremists  but students don't frequent these extremists. The country the most corrupted in the world is not Haïti but the US and Canada. Trudeau sells arms to Israel but the police does nothing, Trudeau fuel the génocide, permits anything to fuel the genocide but the police does nothing. Trudeau buys votes but the police is there when he does that before the reporters and on TV but they do nothing. 

[Michael Hardner]

34 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

1. There is no anti semitism since world war 2, not in Canada and US anyway, 

2.  there may be some in right wing extremists  but students don't frequent these extremists.

.3 The country the most corrupted in the world is not Haïti but the US and Canada. Trudeau sells arms to Israel but the police does nothing,

4. Trudeau fuel the génocide, permits anything to fuel the genocide but the police does nothing. Trudeau buys votes but the police is there when he does that before the reporters and on TV but they do nothing. 

1. That is an absolutely ridiculous statement.
2. If they're not anti-semites, why are they right-wing in your mind ?  What differentiates them from "students" ?
3. 4. Your posts are careless and rhetorical.  There is process in this country, whether you are left or right it is mostly held up.  There's no capacity for the "police" to charge Trudeau for public trade policy.
 

You aren't here to discuss but instead to broadcast your opinion.  We need people on here who will listen, defend their points and retract errors.  You are not one of those.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

I heard last night on the news that McGill University has invested billions of dollars and students are saying that they are getting rich from genocide and corruption in Canada is the result of the Liberal and Conservative governments that you support.

ROFLMAO  No you didn't!  Which news channel was that? Hey kid - if you have to lie to make your point you probably don't have a very good point  

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It's time for the police to investigate the Canadian capitalists who are getting rich from the genocide in Gaza, it's not up to the students to do that. You'll tell Poilievre that the money drug also kills a lot of people.

It's time for the Canadian gov't to send more money to israel so they can finish this war quickly so we don't have to listen to any more nutjobs like you go on about it.

And listening to you perhaps we should also consider spending additional dollars on mental health treatment..... 

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Gaétan said:

I heard last night on the news that McGill University has invested billions of dollars

Do you have a link for that?

You're saying that mcGill university invested billions of dollars in something? What was it? Bitcoin? A stethoscope company?  One that makes sphygmomanometers as well? Pfizer? That's probably not a bad investment - owning part of the company that owns the US and Cdn gov'ts.

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and students are saying that they are getting rich from genocide

McGill is getting rich from genocides now? That's your latest brainwave? How so? Do they have terroristtraining facilities in Iran?

How much do they charge students to register in "Backpack to Oblivion 101"?

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and corruption in Canada is the result of the Liberal and Conservative governments that you support.

You stumbled onto something there: all of the gov't corruption comes from the gov't. Take a victory lap.

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It's time for the police to investigate the Canadian capitalists who are getting rich from the genocide in Gaza,

So how do people get rich from that again? I forgot. 

FYI the only people who profit from Gaza are the ones who want a genocide against Israel.

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You'll tell Poilievre that the money drug also kills a lot of people.

That was poetarded.

[Dougie93]

On 5/1/2024 at 10:58 AM, WestCanMan said:

TBH, the campus is private property. if the university wants those people removed, the police need to remove them.

why not let the universities lie in the bed that they've made for themselves ?

the universities have indoctrinated these children to do exactly what they are doing

why should police resources be expended to save the universities from themselves ?

let it burn

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

why not let the universities lie in the bed that they've made for themselves ?

the universities have indoctrinated these children to do exactly what they are doing

why should police resources be expended to save the universities from themselves ?

let it burn

Good point.

Too bad there's not an LGBTQ-only university where they could all sing kumbaya with the pro-Hamas crowd. 

Edited May 2, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

...the universities have indoctrinated these children to do exactly what they are doing

why should police resources be expended to save the universities from themselves ?

let it burn

Except... this is an exact parallel with 1968.  And if you were a senior in a US college then you'd be about 77 today.

In short, nothing changes.. Ever.

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

... the pro-Hamas crowd. 

Why do you call them this ?

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Except... this is an exact parallel with 1968.  And if you were a senior in a US college then you'd be about 77 today.

it was a mistake to take the bait in 1968

let the Commies burn their own campuses down, by all means

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it was a mistake to take the bait in 1968

let the Commies burn their own campuses down, by all means

"take the bait" ?

Things were worse back then... and the Democrats never came back from it - which is what I expect you're saying

But anything burned was rebuilt pretty soon after.  And the 77 year old radicals are voting for Trump now.

So... get off of ... your own lawn ? 🤨

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Good point.

Too bad there's not an LGBTQ-only university where they could all sing kumbaya with the pro-Gazans. 

inflation will crush these kids anyways

just the let the money printing do the work

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

inflation will crush these kids anyways

just the let the money printing do the work

Will the parallels to 1968 never end ?  

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

"take the bait" ?

Things were worse back then... and the Democrats never came back from it - which is what I expect you're saying

But anything burned was rebuilt pretty soon after.  And the 77 year old radicals are voting for Trump now.

So... get off of ... your own lawn ? 🤨

I view the students as being a source of revenue

the name of the game is to sell them products & services which they can't resist

so rather than send in the National Guard

better to show up with food trucks and retail kiosks

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

better to show up with food trucks and retail kiosks

...love this one... 

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Will the parallels to 1968 never end ?  

1968 ended up backfiring massively on the campus Commies

when Nixon was elected in a landslide

so let it burn all over again

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

1968 ended up backfiring massively on the campus Commies

when Nixon was elected in a landslide

so let it burn all over again

That's what I'm saying.... Joe Biden equals Hubert Humphrey

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

...love this one... 

that's the main difference between these kids and my father

my father, being a California Beatnik at Berkeley in 1968, was a not a big spender

he was living the Hippie lifestyle, so he was opposed to spending money on corporate consumer products

except for a motorcycle of course

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that's the main difference between these kids and my father

my father, being a California Beatnik at Berkeley in 1968, was a not a big spender

he was living the Hippie lifestyle, so he was opposed to spending money on corporate consumer products

except for a motorcycle of course

If he's still around he's voting for Trump.  Nobody talks about the hippies anymore... because it's embarrassing to the left AND the right.