eyeball Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 (edited) 5 hours ago, blackbird said: When dealing with atheists, you always lose because atheism is not a fair playing field. Theists lose because they're not even on the playing field. 5 hours ago, blackbird said: In fact, creation scientists would not even be likely allowed to speak or present their view in so-called science periodicals. That's because it's not science. Edited April 13 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 13 Author Report Share Posted April 13 (edited) 45 minutes ago, eyeball said: Theists lose because they're not even on the playing field. That's because it's not science. That is a simpleton view. The subject is far more complex than that. Creation scientists look at things from a scientific point of view as well as a Biblical view. The two actually fit together if you understand what real science is. I assume you have not been raised from a Christian family or background and perhaps have been evolutionized in school. So it is understandable why you would be skeptical of the creationist viewpoint. You need to read a few things in the Bible and learn there is a spiritual realm outside the material universe. The universe did not create itself. Everything that exists had a cause. The universe is an effect. Every effect (the universe) had a cause. That cause was an intelligent creator we call God. I assume you are familiar with evolutionist's claims of the earth being hundreds of millions or billions of years old. Perhaps you could read some articles from the Creationist's point of view and at least understand where they are coming from. " 3) Many fossils indicate that they must have formed quickly, and could not have taken long time-spans. a) Common fossils. There are billions of fossil fish in rock layers around the world which are incredibly well-preserved. They frequently show intact fins and often scales, indicating that they were buried rapidly and the rock hardened quickly. In the real world, dead fish are scavenged within 24 hours. Even in some idealized cold, sterile, predator-free and oxygen-free water, they will become soggy and fall apart within weeks.3 A fish buried quickly in sediment that does not harden within a few weeks at the most will still be subject to decay by oxygen and bacteria, such that the delicate features like fins, scales, etc. would not preserve their form. Rapid burial in the many underwater landslides (turbidity currents) and other sedimentary processes accompanying Noah’s Flood would explain not only their excellent preservation, but their existence in huge deposits, often covering thousands of square kilometres." The earth: how old does it look? (creation.com) This article was written by Dr Carl Wieland M.B., B.S. Edited April 13 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 19 minutes ago, blackbird said: That is a simpleton view. No, it's just simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 5 hours ago, blackbird said: You fail to read articles from scientists and highly educated scholars that I refer to and dismiss it all. So how do you expect to have a reasonable discussion? You only accept a completely biased, one-sided view. If you can't accept there are some scientists, who disagree with Darwinists from a scientific point of view, then that doesn't leave much leeway for reasonable discussion. If that's what you need to tell yourself to support your non scientific fairy tales, go right ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 13 Author Report Share Posted April 13 4 hours ago, eyeball said: No, it's just simple. It's simple for you because you read nothing, and know nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 3 hours ago, blackbird said: It's simple for you because you read nothing, and know nothing. You're taking that on faith in the absence of evidence. In any case I was introduced to the silliness of the supernatural when I was scientifically tested for my psi abilities as a kid. I'm absolutely certain your creation science falls into the same realm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 On 4/13/2024 at 5:41 AM, blackbird said: Your argument is false from the start. The theory of evolution and the Big Bang theory are pure speculation, not science to begin with. There is no "observable evidence that's tested and re-tested". You have bought into the great lie. It is impossible to observe something that supposedly happened millions of years ago. It's not science. I rest my case. Those theories are the best explanation we have based on the observable evidence. They are called theories because science is about probability of truth. People just didn't make this stuff up out of thin air, like in the Bible. Every single person who believes in Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark over the theory of evolution is a gullible fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted April 14 Author Report Share Posted April 14 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Those theories are the best explanation we have based on the observable evidence. They are called theories because science is about probability of truth. People just didn't make this stuff up out of thin air, like in the Bible. Every single person who believes in Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark over the theory of evolution is a gullible fool. That's your opinion. The theory of evolution is in fact not observable evidence. Some people might feel strongly that it is plausible, but that doesn't make it a fact. You are blinded by the Satanic world system, which is what secular humanism is. The Bible has lots of evidence that it is true. The miracles that Jesus performed including raising Lazarus from the dead and observed by eye witnesses are strong evidence. The eye witness accounts of Jesus Christ being raised from the dead one of the most important facts. People do make things up out of thin air. That is what Charles Darwin did when he came up with the theory of evolution. What evidence or proof did he have back in 1859? None really. The biological sciences have advanced incredibly since Darwin came up with his theory. Today they realize the complexity of the most basic cell is immense. The amount of information stored in DNA in cells is vast. Random chance processes do not add information. The complexity of everything is too great to claim it all happened by chance. That is where the real foolishness comes in with Darwinists. Even if you think the theory of evolution is true, you are still far short of explaining the universe. What about the existence of atoms, molecules, the laws of physics which govern how how the particles operate. Where did energy and gravity come from? What about the earth following a path around the sun which gives us the four seasons. Did this all just happen by accident? That is another area foolishness comes in when some people say it just happened by some by some kind of cosmic accident. Edited April 14 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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