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On 3/7/2024 at 6:27 PM, Gaétan said:

What Jesus wants is for the population to live in a world without money, Jesus did not even dare to touch money, the tool of the devil.

I can't speak for Jesus, but I personally don't think that money is intrinsically evil. I -do- believe that private banks creating most of the money through central banks is not a good thing. I personally think that the best documentary I've seen that explains why is this one:

 

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On 5/24/2024 at 1:21 AM, phoenyx75 said:

I can't speak for Jesus, but I personally don't think that money is intrinsically evil.

It isn't.

Guns aren't evil either, but you put them in the wrong hands, and they will have a devastating effect.

Reality is that without money, there is very little that you could do.

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On 5/24/2024 at 1:21 AM, phoenyx75 said:

I can't speak for Jesus, but I personally don't think that money is intrinsically evil. I -do- believe that private banks creating most of the money through central banks is not a good thing. I personally think that the best documentary I've seen that explains why is this one:

 

This is 47 minutes long.  Clearly targeted towards people with too much time, ie. the unemployed.

If you want to restrict intelligent lending, then you will contract the economy.  Do you like that idea ?

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On 6/24/2024 at 7:17 AM, Michael Hardner said:

This is 47 minutes long.  Clearly targeted towards people with too much time, ie. the unemployed.

 

47 minutes is too long for you? That's not even the length of a film, let alone a tv series. Believe it or not, employed people do watch both movies and even (gasp!) tv series. Anyway, to each their own.

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On 6/25/2024 at 10:43 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Yes.

You likely literally spent half of that time posting in this thread. O_o

Heck, you hours spent posting on this website this year, would likely amount to a few shifts at work.

Heck, the average single male spends 2 hours a week watching porn.

47 minutes isn't the issue. You just don't want to watch the video, and wanted to make the time an issue to deflect from that.

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9 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

47 minutes isn't the issue. You just don't want to watch the video, and wanted to make the time an issue to deflect from that.

It is not reasonable to expect anyone to waste their time watching a 47 minute video because someone posted it in an forum like this... 

If you or the original poster have a few points or something you want to highlight from the video for us to review, go for it. 

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On 3/7/2024 at 8:27 PM, Gaétan said:

Jesus could not accept the use of money because humans being what they are, it is a tool of temptation which encourages you not to respect the rule of loving your neighbor as yourself because you always want to pay the minimum price for a good and get paid the maximum for your production.

Jesus produced a coin from the mouth of the fish to pay a tax. The disciples had a treasury. I suppose you could point out that Judas was the treasurer. But I doubt they abolished the treasury after he killed himself. Paul said to have no concerns about eating anything sold in meat market. To do so one would have to buy it, unless they were stealing.

The way to heaven you are proposing, the abolishment of money, is political one. Much like the invention of money in the first place. Mankind (er, I mean peoplekind) cannot make heaven. This ties into the original sin itself.

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6 hours ago, User said:

It is not reasonable to expect anyone to waste their time watching a 47 minute video because someone posted it in an forum like this

Unreasonable to expect it, sure.

But no harm in posting it.

If nobody wants to watch it, then so be it.

Posted (edited)
On 3/7/2024 at 8:27 PM, Gaétan said:

What Jesus wants is for the population to live in a world without money, Jesus did not even dare to touch money, the tool of the devil.

Jesus Talks About Paying Taxes

24 When Jesus and his followers came to Capernaum, the men who collected the Temple tax came to Peter. They asked, “Does your teacher pay the Temple tax?”

25 Peter answered, “Yes, Jesus pays the tax.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 17:24-27&version=NCV

How do you suppose he was able to pay taxes without touching money? Did he pay online?

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3 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

How do you suppose he was able to pay taxes without touching money? Did he pay online?

I hope you are not expecting any rational response. I tried already. He has none. 

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On 7/28/2024 at 10:25 AM, CouchPotato said:

Jesus Talks About Paying Taxes

24 When Jesus and his followers came to Capernaum, the men who collected the Temple tax came to Peter. They asked, “Does your teacher pay the Temple tax?”

25 Peter answered, “Yes, Jesus pays the tax.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 17:24-27&version=NCV

How do you suppose he was able to pay taxes without touching money? Did he pay online?

He said that to not have problem

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To have love you have to do charity so volunteering. In other words, for the love hormones to be secreted, a good thing is to abolish money and live by volunteering, so by doing so, you create the winning condition. The devil told Moses (but that's not what he wanted him to do) and his people to love their neighbor as themselves, and that's the key to heaven, which includes living by volunteering.

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On 10/25/2024 at 10:33 PM, Gaétan said:

To have love you have to do charity so volunteering. In other words, for the love hormones to be secreted, a good thing is to abolish money and live by volunteering, so by doing so, you create the winning condition. The devil told Moses (but that's not what he wanted him to do) and his people to love their neighbor as themselves, and that's the key to heaven, which includes living by volunteering.

There are many forms of love beyond charity. 

There is no Biblical backing to form a doctrine that you must live by volunteering. Also, as it has repeatedly been pointed out to you already, money is nothing more than a medium to make barter far more efficient. 

So when you are volunteering for that living... you don't have to carry around a bunch of carrots to try to trade them for what someone else has. 

This is such a basic concept. I have no idea why you are playing these dumb games here. 

 

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On 10/27/2024 at 1:53 PM, User said:

There are many forms of love beyond charity. 

There is no Biblical backing to form a doctrine that you must live by volunteering. Also, as it has repeatedly been pointed out to you already, money is nothing more than a medium to make barter far more efficient. 

So when you are volunteering for that living... you don't have to carry around a bunch of carrots to try to trade them for what someone else has. 

This is such a basic concept. I have no idea why you are playing these dumb games here. 

 

You are wrong because Jesus says that:

Luke 9:3

New International Version

3 He told them: “Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra shirt.

Luke 10:4

New International Version

4 Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road.

Here he says it is criminal, to use money is to act as a criminal:

luke 22.35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?”

“Nothing,” they answered.

36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’[b]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”

Jesus said to render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and you can't have two masters, it is God or money

Using money is against the rule of loving your neighbor as yourself because humans are always tempted to pay the minimum for a good and charge the maximum for their own.

 

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5 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Luke 9:3

Jesus was telling this to his 12 disciples at that time, whom he also gave special powers and specific instructions to at that time. This has nothing to do with your claim here. 

5 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Luke 10:4

Yet again, this is Jesus sending specific people out with a specific task... nothing to do with your claim here. 

Nowhere did he instruct these people to go tell everyone else to give up their homes, their possessions,  and stop using money. In fact, he instructed them to take what was given to them from those people. 

8 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

you can't have two masters it is God or money

Using money doesn't make it your master...

8 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Using money is against the rule of loving your neighbor as yourself because humans are always tempted to pay the minimum for a good and charge the maximum for their own.

So... humans are any less tempted to give you only the minimum food, water, or basic needs when you work from them without money?

 

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4 hours ago, User said:

Jesus was telling this to his 12 disciples at that time, whom he also gave special powers and specific instructions to at that time. This has nothing to do with your claim here. 

Yet again, this is Jesus sending specific people out with a specific task... nothing to do with your claim here. 

Nowhere did he instruct these people to go tell everyone else to give up their homes, their possessions,  and stop using money. In fact, he instructed them to take what was given to them from those people. 

Using money doesn't make it your master...

So... humans are any less tempted to give you only the minimum food, water, or basic needs when you work from them without money?

 

I don't have time to waste with hastinous

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12 hours ago, Gaétan said:

I don't have time to waste with hastinous

LOL, of course. You have all the time to waste when it comes to pushing bad arguments, just not any to defend them. 

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On 10/29/2024 at 8:57 AM, User said:

LOL, of course. You have all the time to waste when it comes to pushing bad arguments, just not any to defend them. 

You don't back what you say by anything you just say that to say the contrary of what i say. I don't have time to respond to trolls who say the opposite of what I say without any real arguments.

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11 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

You don't back what you say by anything you just say that to say the contrary of what i say. I don't have time to respond to trolls who say the opposite of what I say without any real arguments.

All you did was post a Bible Verse. I actually responded with what the verse was talking about. You know, the whole context. 

That is a real argument. 

You just don't have any ability to admit you are wrong or provide a better argument. 

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4 hours ago, User said:

All you did was post a Bible Verse. I actually responded with what the verse was talking about. You know, the whole context. 

That is a real argument. 

You just don't have any ability to admit you are wrong or provide a better argument. 

You just said that the verses don't say what it says, very easy to do for a troll. Jesus said to apostles to not use money, he didn't say the opposite and i said why, because it is against the golden rule to love your neighbor as yourself, because it is an injustice and i proved it, that's why you can't use money. I proved that you are a troll, don't make any more comments, i don't have time to lose with you. You just say the contrary of what anyone says here, it is a pass time for you.

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1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Jesus said to apostles to not use money

Yes, he spoke to his apostles, not telling all people not to use money. 

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

because it is against the golden rule to love your neighbor as yourself, because it is an injustice and i proved it

You keep asserting this, you have yet to prove anything. 

Hey, how do you pay your internet bills? How are you on a computer?

 

LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... 

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3 hours ago, User said:

Yes, he spoke to his apostles, not telling all people not to use money. 

You keep asserting this, you have yet to prove anything. 

Hey, how do you pay your internet bills? How are you on a computer?

 

What Jesus said to the apostles is for all of us and I'm not interested in arguing with trolls paid by Poilievre, Trudeau and Biden with royalties on arms profits, and companies that put their money in tax havens.

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48 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

What Jesus said to the apostles is for all of us and I'm not interested in arguing with trolls paid by Poilievre, Trudeau and Biden with royalties on arms profits, and companies that put their money in tax havens.

Yes, it is for all of us, but not a command to all of us. You clearly don't even believe it or if you do, why are you not following it?

No one is making you respond to me. I have no problems correcting the crappy arguments you are making without any further response from you. 

 

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