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Political infantilism: the curse and demise of democracy


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In the beginning, the outset the deal was simple: citizens alertness, involvement and responsibility is the necessary condition, and a cornerstone of a working, functional democracy. Wise words were spoken, quotes cited and books written. It was never the free for all, no matter what you do or wouldn't, deal.

Yet, one small thing came in the way: the entropy; the principle of laziness. Why spend energy and time, that can be spent in a more rewarding way; why read, think and analyze, make non-obvious and sometimes, difficult decisions it it runs and works already just by itself? The proverbial eternal motion, just like.

From there, there's only three short (in the history scale) steps.

First is the detachment of the political shell. Formally, it's still a democracy but it thinks, decides and runs itself. It doesn't need those little folk down below except as a source of fuel, the dough; and for the exaltation ritual, once so often.

Then, the little folk notice that, the detachment. From its relative perspective it looks as the political elites departing away (from their lowly reality), but remember the original deal: no, nobody made you! And so it's growing disenfranchised; worried; angry and discontent. And that is already the soil, the basis.

In the final step, comes in someone who can orchestrate the discontent to their advantage. The deal becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy: from lofty claims through laziness and irresponsibility to its opposite, the mobs cheering against and cursing it. And every step of the way, the majority was on board! Astounding, no?

The only visible way out of this conundrum appears to be to make the democracy a constant, ongoing responsibility of the citizens. But that would be a tough sell on both sides. The elites that wouldn't want to part with the power and the privileges; and the population that wouldn't be seeking to take on the new duties. So,

is the democracy doomed, from the outset?

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3 hours ago, myata said:

 

The only visible way out of this conundrum appears to be to make the democracy a constant, ongoing responsibility of the citizens. But that would be a tough sell on both sides. The elites that wouldn't want to part with the power and the privileges; and the population that wouldn't be seeking to take on the new duties. So,

is the democracy doomed, from the outset?

You've laid out the problem, but democracy is already the responsibility of the public.

Every individual should be responsible for calling out laziness, partisan thinking, obfuscation....

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5 hours ago, myata said:

Except it wants to, and actively strives to forget it at the first opportunity.

It does want to forget it, once democracy has provided a government that can make our lives such that we don't have to think about it.

At that point, I would contend that democracy is not as important as having a strong intellectual class

 

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23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You've laid out the problem, but democracy is already the responsibility of the public.

Every individual should be responsible for calling out laziness, partisan thinking, obfuscation....

Democracy requires people be responsible for themselves so as not to be an unnecessary burden on others who should also be focused on being responsible for themselves. That's not the case any longer. Now many people think they are entitled to what other people have. They think we should pay reparations. There should be loan forgiveness. We all must acquiesce to what people "identify" as. Democracy requires people be focused on more then just themselves. That shit died a long time ago. 

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2 hours ago, Yakuda said:

1. Democracy requires people be responsible for themselves so as not to be an unnecessary burden on others who should also be focused on being responsible for themselves.

2. That's not the case any longer. Now many people think they are entitled to what other people have. They think we should pay reparations. There should be loan forgiveness. We all must acquiesce to what people "identify" as. Democracy requires people be focused on more then just themselves. That shit died a long time ago. 

1. Where did you get that definition? Is it yours? Democracy works fine with a social safety net, as every western democracy has today. Not that taking care of yourself as a bad thing, but lots of people can't.

2. People needing help, improving the commons, social safety net are about helping others as much as helping yourself. I spent pretty much my entire career in the top tax bracket, so would it be anti-democratic for me to vote for a candidate who was against tax cuts?

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32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Where did you get that definition? Is it yours? Democracy works fine with a social safety net, as every western democracy has today. Not that taking care of yourself as a bad thing, but lots of people can't.

2. People needing help, improving the commons, social safety net are about helping others as much as helping yourself. I spent pretty much my entire career in the top tax bracket, so would it be anti-democratic for me to vote for a candidate who was against tax cuts?

I didn't say it was a definition. It seems that more and more people are incapable of taking care of themselves. They seek relief from the govt which increases the burden on everyone else. I'm sure someone is collecting disability because someone misgendered them. 

You realize taxes are disincentives right? 

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1 hour ago, Yakuda said:

I didn't say it was a definition. It seems that more and more people are incapable of taking care of themselves. They seek relief from the govt which increases the burden on everyone else. I'm sure someone is collecting disability because someone misgendered them. 

You realize taxes are disincentives right? 

Ok.  Fair enough.  

But democracy can and does work with the social safety net. 

Taxes are disincentives ... need to drill down on that as it depends.

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Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Ok.  Fair enough.  

But democracy can and does work with the social safety net. 

Taxes are disincentives ... need to drill down on that as it depends.

Sure but when everyone is in the safety net it's not very safe. 

Yes. Cite a country that has taxed it's way into prosperity.

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On 2/28/2024 at 2:49 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Canada?  The US? Dunno... Kind of odd topic.  Are you saying taxes are evil?   A necessary evil?  

 

 

Taxes aren't inherently evil but they can be used for reasons that are destructive if not evil. Too often, at least here in the States, they are used as punishment. 

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On 2/28/2024 at 11:31 AM, Yakuda said:

Cite a country that has taxed it's way into prosperity

The US, see the New Deal. It even taxed itself to make countries it destroyed prosperous, see the Marshall Plan 

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