Are Nfld and Quebec Sustainable?

[SkyHigh]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You would have to be a m0ron of epic proportions to claim that if a politician says I will do this thing and a bunch of people vote for him to do that thing that they have no interest in doing that thing. To call it a fantasy as childish. To pretend that somehow you know more about the intent of every single Quebec voter who is supporting that party is the ramblings of a lunatic.

Quebec will have to accept that if they talk about leaving, and all the referendum about leaving, and elect politicians to talk about leaving, then people will assume that they want to leave. I have no doubt that they want to leave in such a way that they still have benefits within Canada, I doubt Canada would be interested in that for long.

Let's test your assertion. Do you believe Trudeau Jr ever had the intention of reforming the electoral process out the FPP système ?

[Legato]

33 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

So all just your opinion. I spoke of the words used by the two politicians that lead the référendums. You reply with , lying scum bags (well actually you said scud?)

Right because to take everything a politician says at face value 

Then why in Quebec have they been collecting all the Canadian Tire money to be able to have a currency when they separate?

[SkyHigh]

3 minutes ago, Legato said:

Then why in Quebec have they been collecting all the Canadian Tire money to be able to have a currency when they separate?

I used to go to a pool hall that accepted Canadian tire money but that was in Onterible 

Edited May 23, 2024 by SkyHigh

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Let's test your assertion. Do you believe Trudeau Jr ever had the intention of reforming the electoral process out the FPP système ?

Oh he absolutely did. Had he succeeded in getting the model that he wanted it would have guaranteed the liberal party would stay in power forever at least 90% of the time. He dropped it when it became clear nobody would be interested in that model.  Furthermore I can guarantee that the people that voted for him for that reason wanted it.

Which kind of proves that your assertion is incorrect. It turns out that politicians and the people that vote for their policies generally do want to see that kind of thing happen. There may be details that prevent it but that does not mean they are not going to try

[SkyHigh]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Oh he absolutely did. Had he succeeded in getting the model that he wanted it would have guaranteed the liberal party would stay in power forever at least 90% of the time. He dropped it when it became clear nobody would be interested in that model.  Furthermore I can guarantee that the people that voted for him for that reason wanted it.

Which kind of proves that your assertion is incorrect. It turns out that politicians and the people that vote for their policies generally do want to see that kind of thing happen. There may be details that prevent it but that does not mean they are not going to try

He ran on proportional representation, then proposed nothing more than a modified FPP model (he didn't even set up the parliamentary commission based on the popular vote of the election that had just happened). Those that are proponents of election reform are mostly leftists from fringe parties and the idea that they were content with how Trudeau handled that is ludacris at it's face 

But please continue arguing for Justins integrity, I find it amusing 

[SkyHigh]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Oh he absolutely did. Had he succeeded in getting the model that he wanted it would have guaranteed the liberal party would stay in power forever at least 90% of the time. He dropped it when it became clear nobody would be interested in that model.  Furthermore I can guarantee that the people that voted for him for that reason wanted it.

Which kind of proves that your assertion is incorrect. It turns out that politicians and the people that vote for their policies generally do want to see that kind of thing happen. There may be details that prevent it but that does not mean they are not going to try

Just to be clear, your contention is that the neo-liberal head of Canada's "natural governing party" who enters every federal election with a distinct advantage was sincere about making it harder for his party to be elected? And more importantly having a majority?

Edited May 23, 2024 by SkyHigh

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

He ran on proportional representation,

no he didn't.  Show me a single bit  of election advertising or statements from him saying he meant proportional representation.  He made zero mention of a particular model. He said he'd decide on that later. 

Right off the bat you have to be less than honest to try to make your point. 

18 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

he didn't even set up the parliamentary commission based on the popular vote of the election that had just happened

He really couldn't.  how you set up committees is based on representation in the house.  Otherwise you could just set up committees without any of the opposition and have them vote however you like.  

you are not doing well so far.

Did you have a point to any of this. You asked a question I answered it honestly, and now you have demonstrated that you have no knowledge or understanding of what history occurred or how parliament works

Is there A reason that you brought this up other than to prove your an incompetent boob? Because it's not obvious that you do.

 

Edited May 23, 2024 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

Just to be clear, your contention is that the neo-liberal head of Canada's "natural governing party" who enters every federal election with a distinct advantage was sincere about making it harder for his party to be elected?

No that is literally the opposite of what I said. I'm starting to think that you're simply not intellectually capable of having this conversation. It requires the ability to read at least high school graduate level English.

Judo had every intention of changing the voting system. The people voting for him had every intention of him changing the voting system. He had a specific system in mind, he thought he could sell that and make it work, it turned out to be extremely wildly unpopular and a different system was favored that would hurt the liberals. So he walked away. Had he done what he wanted it would have made sure that the liberals were elected about 90% of the time. But he couldn't

And what does this have to do with your claim that politicians and voters somehow say the opposite of what they want as you contend is the case in Quebec?

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

No that is literally the opposite of what I said. I'm starting to think that you're simply not intellectually capable of having this conversation. It requires the ability to read at least high school graduate level English.

Judo had every intention of changing the voting system. The people voting for him had every intention of him changing the voting system. He had a specific system in mind, he thought he could sell that and make it work, it turned out to be extremely wildly unpopular and a different system was favored that would hurt the liberals. So he walked away. Had he done what he wanted it would have made sure that the liberals were elected about 90% of the time. But he couldn't

And what does this have to do with your claim that politicians and voters somehow say the opposite of what they want as you contend is the case in Quebec?

First the system that was "unpopular" was not the system he sold to the voters and not the system they thought they were getting.

I said Politicians exaggerate their plans , you went on to argue the sincerity of campaign promises.

One of the major reasons the PQ did so poorly in the last election is they put the question of sovereignty aside going against one of the founding principles of the party.

That the leader of said party says he's going to hold a referendum to garnish votes, in no way implies that either Quebecers want to separate, or that there's even a chance of an actual referendum.

But no you're logic is sound and I'm definitely the one lacking the intellectual capabilities to carry on this conversation.

Si on veut vraiment parler de les enjeux de Québec on devrait le faire en français, oh wait j'ai oublié vous êtes même pas capable de communiquer dans la langue de la majorité du peuple vous prétendez comprends.

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

.  Otherwise you could just set up committees without any of the opposition and have them vote however you like.  

What are you talking about, there are minimum levels based on seats in the house not based on popular vote and it is of course at the discretion of the government to add members of other parties to commissions. 

You should get off your high "horse" because everyone else can see it's just an old, tired, broken down, jackass

[SkyHigh]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Show me a single bit  of election advertising or statements from him saying he meant proportional representation

If you can't find Trudeau saying that it would be the last "first past the post" or FPP election ,since you obviously didn't understand because that's all I've been talking about this whole time. Well? I don't know what to tell you 

Edited May 23, 2024 by SkyHigh

[cougar]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

She says she's never even met you   

 

 

Then she is on par with your dad.  I never suggested she knew me

[cougar]

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

But no you're logic is sound and I'm definitely the one lacking the intellectual capabilities to carry on this conversation.

 

Don't take the CanFoxy seriously.    He is just a pesky little foxy looking for scraps.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

First the system that was "unpopular" was not the system he sold to the voters and not the system they thought they were getting.

Hogwash. I asked for that quote showing he outlined a system during the election. Know why you didn't post it? it doesn't exist. 

You're just making crap up to suit your whims but he absolutely did not.  All he guaranteed was that it was the 'last first-past-the-post" election. 

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I said Politicians exaggerate their plans , you went on to argue the sincerity of campaign promises.

No, you claimed that both the politician and the people supporting this particular one meant something entirely other than what they said.  

I said i wasn't convinced of that. Then you went off like a fool about how that's because i don't understand and i'm having some sort of fantasy etc etc. 

Then you brought this up and still haven't explained wny. 

 

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One of the major reasons the PQ did so poorly in the last election is they put the question of sovereignty aside going against one of the founding principles of the party.

You mean people won't vote for them unless they really actually do want to separate. 

Yet you argue that it's a 'fantasy' to suggest that people want them to separate. 

You see where your credibility here is taking a hit?

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, cougar said:

Then she is on par with your dad.  

So my mom, who in your weird fantasy, lives upstairs from me has never met me. 

Wow   You really suck at this. 

 

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I never suggested she knew me

Obviously.  Well - that humour might be a bit over your head, admittedly it didn't involve a fart joke so you might not get it   

10 minutes ago, cougar said:

Don't take the CanFoxy seriously.    He is just a pesky little foxy looking for scraps.

Awwwww   Still butt hurt i take it little guy  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SkyHigh said:

If you can't find Trudeau saying that it would be the last "first past the post" or FPP election ,since you obviously didn't understand because that's all I've been talking about this whole time. Well? I don't know what to tell you 

Nobody said you couldn't - you said he offered proportional representation and you're wrong. He didn't at all.  All he said is it wouldn't be first past the post.  He never mentioned what system he'd want. 

And you still haven't mentioned why you brought this up. 

How does trudeau not mentioning what model his electoral reform would take somehow make the seperatists in quebec fakers?  Try to pay attention if possible. 

As folks here will tell you I have fairly limited patience for nonsense or stupidity. You've made a number of insulting and ridiculous statements that you don't seem to be able to back up. I'm living in a fantasy world if I think that Quebec might actually want to separate just because they say they want to separate and no one will vote for the separatist party unless they promise to separate. Think about that and realize how stupid it is

Then you go on about Trudeau promising proportional representation. He absolutely did not. He never said that once. He said he was going to cancel first pass the post and that's it. He wanted a version of single transferable vote because that would benefit the liberals and when he absolutely couldn't sell it and that fell apart because people wanted something closer to proportional representation then he canceled the whole thing claiming people seemed to have changed their minds and didn't really want reform.

So either start telling the truth or start making sense at the very least. Or quit wasting my time. If you're too dumb to say something that you can back up with either facts or reason then you're just going to wind up getting insulted and looking stupid

[SkyHigh]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

Don't take the CanFoxy seriously.    He is just a pesky little foxy looking for scraps.

Believe you me, I don't.

He's just a contrarian that thinks that juvenile, petty insults on some random anonymous forum makes him a big man.

Today was fun though, I had him defending Trudeau. Hahaha 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

What are you talking about, there are minimum levels based on seats in the house

That was MY point. You complained that he didn't do it proportionally. 

You don't have to tell me I'm right. I know i'm right already. 

3 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Believe you me, I don't.

He's just a contrarian that thinks that juvenile, petty insults on some random anonymous forum makes him a big man.

Today was fun though, I had him defending Trudeau. Hahaha 

Awww - did you find a friend to cry with?  

Hey, if lying to yourself about it makes you feel better then you go girl!  

[August1991]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well time will tell but at the moment the PQ is leading in the polls. So people seem to like the smoke anyway.

I do not believe that is accurate. At the end of the day you have to take them seriously. And if the people of Quebec say they want to separate and they have a referendum and Vote to leave then that is going to have severe ramifications. I would hope they'd be prepared for the consequences but to be perfectly blunt at that point I would guess that a government could very well get in that would treat them less well than they would hope.

Frankly most western people I talk to would just rather see them go anyway they're sick of them.

Wow!

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In this new century, once again, Europeans are killing each other.

Americans only killed each in the 1860s.

We Canadians get along.

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

Wow!

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In this new century, once again, Europeans are killing each other.

Americans only killed each in the 1860s.

We Canadians get along.

If all you bring to the table is lies, what's the point of posting at all?

[August1991]

On 5/24/2024 at 12:01 PM, CdnFox said:

If all you bring to the table is lies, what's the point of posting at all?

Sadly, Russians and Ukrainians - fellow Slavs - are killing each other for no reason.

But once in Canada, they get along.

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We Canadians have discovered a way to get along.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

Sadly, Russians and Ukrainians - fellow Slavs - are killing each other for no reason.

They have reasons. 

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But once in Canada, they get along.

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Actually theres' been tonnes of violent events and vandalism.

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We Canadians have discovered a way to get along.

No you just discovered how to lie about it 

[August1991]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They have reasons. 

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Strongly disagree.

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Prior to 1914 - like the world today in the 2020s - the elite was smart, but clueless.

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Strongly disagree.

You can't disagree with a fact. Or if you do you're not very bright.

You may not agree with their reasons. You may even think the reasons suck. Or that they are trite and wouldn't be important to you. But they have reasons.

[August1991]

Smart elite? Long term, sustainable. Zillions of years

I trust Newfoundlanders.. They're practical.

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Quebecers? Dunno.

Quebec women are independent. Russian women love their children.

Go figure.